CA Mom who gave birth to octuplets has SIX other kids at home under age 7!

[miraclesrule]

Wow! Rarely am I speechless.

There is just so much wrong with this picture one doesn''t even begin to know where to start. I feel for the Grandmother, I really do. I couldn''t even imagine kicking my daughter and granddaughter to the curb if they didn''t have a roof over their head. I assume that is how it may have started and then it just spiraled. I don''t know if the Grandmother could see this coming, or if the Grandfather had even more influence in preventing the Grandmother from tossing Mom out on her own, but who knows, even if they did, if this women was hellbent on having 12 kids, it appears that medicine and practitioners are willing to pay to participate, perhaps for the sake of science.

Beyond Bizarre. California employees are facing forced work furloughs, the state is sending IOU''s as tax refunds, but we are most definately paying for this oddity. Every product we buy and every service we use assumes the costs and it''s spread among the consumers. Thank gawd these extreme cases are so rare.

 

[MichelleCarmen]

Date: 1/31/2009 9:43:12 PM
Author: Kaleigh
Anything new on this? I was away most of today....

Unfortunetly nothing positive was added. Like your SIL, my close friend spent over $25K to have IVF done two times and didn''t become pregnant. Eventually she was blessed with a baby, but her DH and her spent more money than I can imagine. She never discussed the amount after the initial amount she borrowed from her FIL for the first two treatments.

Like was mentioned earlier in this tread, the mom filed (or attempted to file for bankruptcy - the Seattle PI said that she had nearly $700,000 or more in debt from two homes she owned and the bankruptcy cases fell through - or something), so I have NO idea what her financial situation is, but get real, even a woman with millions of dollars would have to be a tremendous baby hoarder to have have 14 kids. Who would be THAT crazy?

When I first read that she gave birth to 8 kids, I made a joke to my DH that I''d run away if I had that many infants at once. . .that was before finding out that mom already had six kids. With that many kids, a complimentary lobotomy for the mom should be included

 

[luckystar112]

I''m starting to feel like we''re being duped. Or that the whole family is suffering from severe mental illness.

 

[miraclesrule]

Date: 1/31/2009 11:38:00 PM
Author: luckystar112
I''m starting to feel like we''re being duped. Or that the whole family is suffering from severe mental illness.

Either of which is still mind boggling.

 

[brooklyngirl]

Of course she wanted this to be "anonymous," this way she would be paid for "exclusive" interviews by the media! This is seriously shameful IMHO. She clearly can''t support those children, and is using them to get her 15 minutes of fame

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/life_and_style/health/article5627531.ece

 

[Ellen]

Date: 1/31/2009 11:17:46 PM
Author: miraclesrule
Wow! Rarely am I speechless.

There is just so much wrong with this picture one doesn''t even begin to know where to start. I feel for the Grandmother, I really do. I couldn''t even imagine kicking my daughter and granddaughter to the curb if they didn''t have a roof over their head. I assume that is how it may have started and then it just spiraled. I don''t know if the Grandmother could see this coming, or if the Grandfather had even more influence in preventing the Grandmother from tossing Mom out on her own, but who knows, even if they did, if this women was hellbent on having 12 kids, it appears that medicine and practitioners are willing to pay to participate, perhaps for the sake of science.

Beyond Bizarre. California employees are facing forced work furloughs, the state is sending IOU''s as tax refunds, but we are most definately paying for this oddity. Every product we buy and every service we use assumes the costs and it''s spread among the consumers. Thank gawd these extreme cases are so rare.

My prediction is, this case will become the poster child for reproductive medicine and its practice. And hopefully we don''t have any more.

 

[neatfreak]

Date: 1/31/2009 11:31:56 PM
Author: MC

Date: 1/31/2009 9:43:12 PM

Author: Kaleigh

Anything new on this? I was away most of today....

Unfortunetly nothing positive was added. Like your SIL, my close friend spent over $25K to have IVF done two times and didn''t become pregnant. Eventually she was blessed with a baby, but her DH and her spent more money than I can imagine. She never discussed the amount after the initial amount she borrowed from her FIL for the first two treatments.


Like was mentioned earlier in this tread, the mom filed (or attempted to file for bankruptcy - the Seattle PI said that she had nearly $700,000 or more in debt from two homes she owned and the bankruptcy cases fell through - or something), so I have NO idea what her financial situation is, but get real, even a woman with millions of dollars would have to be a tremendous baby hoarder to have have 14 kids. Who would be THAT crazy?


When I first read that she gave birth to 8 kids, I made a joke to my DH that I''d run away if I had that many infants at once. . .that was before finding out that mom already had six kids. With that many kids, a complimentary lobotomy for the mom should be included

I think it was the woman''s mother who filed for bankruptcy not the woman who has all the kids.

 

[diamondsrock]

The more I read the more bizarre this story becomes. If one of those articles is true, and she thinks she''s doing to earn money on tv to support her kids through Oprah or whatever, I really doubt that will fly. Given the reaction just on this board, I think most people believe in personal responsiblity. I have one child myself because I know that is what I can handle and afford. In my opinion, this woman is either extremely selfish and wants what she wants, or she is mentally ill.

I guess time will tell when more facts come out. Looking forward to her first interview and the reaction to it. I really doubt it will be a good reaction from the public. Expect public outcry! Given this economy and the way we''re all tightening our belts, the concept of supporting a woman like this through our taxpayer money is not something that anyone will tolerate. If she doesn''t get a lucrative media deal, that is unfortunately what will probably happen. The cost of raising 14 kids (alone) is almost beyond comprehension.

 

[platinumrock]

This just makes me sad.

 

[meresal]

Date: 2/1/2009 6:18:30 AM
Author: brooklyngirl
Of course she wanted this to be 'anonymous,' this way she would be paid for 'exclusive' interviews by the media! This is seriously shameful IMHO. She clearly can't support those children, and is using them to get her 15 minutes of fame

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/life_and_style/health/article5627531.ece

This is infuriating.

No matter what kind of money this family is paid, I have NO DOUBT that it will be spent irresponsibly. They are all crazy, and I think it's obvious that no decisions up to this point have been made with the kids best interest in mind. I feel horrible for the 6 prior kids, and can only hope they are not abandoned as much as it seems they could be. I cannot believe the parents are saying the things they are. They actually believe they are OWED this money, because these babies need to be raised!?!?!?! What about the other 6 that still need to eat as well??? I think the mom has a serious problem, and I hope that she is speaking with a psychiatrist at the hospital.

Also, it doesn't really matter who filed for bankruptcy, because the mom "seems" to still be on allowance from the grandparents. So if the granparents filed for bankruptcy, then they are all suffering.

And where is the grandmother threatening to go exactly??? She doesn't have a home!!! (well, other than the one they bought their daughter)

At this point, the whole thing is sickening, and I'm not really sure how or what could make this better in my eyes.

 

[tlh]

I''m saddened by this. The more information that comes to light, the more absurd this story becomes. This woman needs help. Serious help. THESE CHILDREN NEED HELP. The sad part is that if she doesn''t get the TV deals she is seeking, she will most definately become an even bigger tax burden...Grants=public money.

I am not sure if I understood the article correctly, but it sounds as though she IVF more than just these 8... and that is very expensive.

In situations where people hoard animals, the gov''t comes in and "takes their babies". But these are living human beings, and it sounds like she is now- ALONE. 1 woman trying to raise 14 children all under the age of 7. I am not 100% on this, but I believe the limit for daycare to watch children/infants is 1 adult to every 6 children. She cannot do this alone. I am not trying to point the blame stick, but seriously! I am not advocating that the gov''t comes in and takes her babies... but I do believe this is a crazy situation, in the fact that SHE may NOT be able to give these children the actual care/ time and attention they need.

We live in a country with the freedom to have as many children as WE decide. We aren''t limiting births based on sex, or "per couple" as in other parts of the world. I do feel though that many times this right is abused by many. I am not asking that these liberties be taken away. I love our freedom! I just find it a shame, that people WOULD make these choices when they have no means to provide without asking for a TV deal... or public handouts. I find it a shame for these children, and my heart is breaking.

 

[Definitely. Maybe]

Date: 2/1/2009 6:18:30 AM
Author: brooklyngirl
Of course she wanted this to be ''anonymous,'' this way she would be paid for ''exclusive'' interviews by the media! This is seriously shameful IMHO. She clearly can''t support those children, and is using them to get her 15 minutes of fame

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/life_and_style/health/article5627531.ece

I am officially sickened by this woman. (if it is true, which it probably is) I cannot believe she is expecting to get PAID 2 MILLION DOLLARS for her story. I can only pray that the public will not support this woman''s decision. It is absurd to even think about. I don''t watch Oprah (ever), but I cannot imagine WHY she would want to get involved in this and in turn SUPPORT this woman. I am infuriated by this.

I am not against large families or even wanting a large family, but this case is just beyond the norm. Her living in a 2 bedroom house that HER parents bought her is ludicrous! To me it seems obvious that she is not able to support the 6 she has if her parents are buying her homes to support HER family and obsession with children. ANDDDD she wants to be a CHILD EXPERT?!! seriously? come on Media stop giving this woman attention AND money.

I apologize if this offends anyone. This case with this woman just upsets me.

 

[Tuckins1]

In my opinion, this woman is mentally ill. Who in their right mind goes to these extremes to have children, with no means of supporting them?!? Also, her doctor should have his medical license revoked. This woman used fertility drugs when she had not really tried to get pregnant before, and then chose to keep ALL of them, even when her life situation did not allow her to take care of all of them. I have nothing against fertility treatment, but I don''t think it should be abused as it has been in this situation.

 

[cara]

The LA Times has had some decent coverage of the story: here and here.

While I don't think doctors should regularly be in the business of determining family size for others, one expert made a very good point: sufficient funds and desire are not the only requirements for prospective adoptive or foster parents. Heck, my roommate and I had to fill out a somewhat detailed application to get a cat. Should a fertility clinic really just take anyone who wants more kids without any screening process?

Let alone the 8 embryos issue. The grandmother seems pretty clear in stating that in vitro was used for this and her daughter's previous pregnancies. The various expert fertility docs state clearly in numerous articles that any in vitro procedure that managed to result in 8 babies was against guidelines. A woman under 35 should only get 2-3 embryos transferred at once, and even if they all split into twins and implanted properly, that would only yield 6.

While certainly the prospect of this woman going on Oprah makes my stomach turn, who on earth is going to take care of these kids? A child-obsessed woman with enabling parents certainly isn't going to voluntarily give them up, and those kids will need resources and money. Their needs woln't be less just because their mother has mental issues and made some poor decisions. Sadly, given some money, I wouldn't put it past the woman to have another down the line. Such has been her decision-making record thus far.

 

[MichelleCarmen]

Date: 2/1/2009 8:40:19 AM
Author: neatfreak

Date: 1/31/2009 11:31:56 PM
Author: MC
Like was mentioned earlier in this tread, the mom filed (or attempted to file for bankruptcy - the Seattle PI said that she had nearly $700,000 or more in debt from two homes she owned and the bankruptcy cases fell through - or something), so I have NO idea what her financial situation is, but get real, even a woman with millions of dollars would have to be a tremendous baby hoarder to have have 14 kids. Who would be THAT crazy?

I think it was the woman's mother who filed for bankruptcy not the woman who has all the kids.

Ooops, we'll with all the craziness to the story, it's hard to keep any of it straight!

Either way, if the grandmother is the one who did file for bankruptcy and the daughter is living with her, then how can the family claim they can support all those kids with their income, which would have to be low enough to qualify for ch 7? Who knows, though. . .

 

[Mrs.Guz]

This is disgusting and totally irresponsible. Those poor babies!

 

[diamondseeker2006]

Date: 2/1/2009 4:13:12 PM
Author: MC

Date: 2/1/2009 8:40:19 AM
Author: neatfreak

Date: 1/31/2009 11:31:56 PM
Author: MC
Like was mentioned earlier in this tread, the mom filed (or attempted to file for bankruptcy - the Seattle PI said that she had nearly $700,000 or more in debt from two homes she owned and the bankruptcy cases fell through - or something), so I have NO idea what her financial situation is, but get real, even a woman with millions of dollars would have to be a tremendous baby hoarder to have have 14 kids. Who would be THAT crazy?

I think it was the woman''s mother who filed for bankruptcy not the woman who has all the kids.

Ooops, we''ll with all the craziness to the story, it''s hard to keep any of it straight!

Either way, if the grandmother is the one who did file for bankruptcy and the daughter is living with her, then how can the family claim they can support all those kids with their income, which would have to be low enough to qualify for ch 7? Who knows, though. . .

The article Cara posted says that the bankruptcy was withdrawn and the debts were paid. I imagine the grandfather will make a lot as a contractor in Iraq. But still, even if you can afford it, I think it would be very difficult for two women to take care of 6 small children and 8 infants. I can''t even fathom it.

 

[snlee]

Date: 2/1/2009 11:39:50 AM
Author: tlh
I''m saddened by this. The more information that comes to light, the more absurd this story becomes. This woman needs help. Serious help. THESE CHILDREN NEED HELP. The sad part is that if she doesn''t get the TV deals she is seeking, she will most definately become an even bigger tax burden...Grants=public money.

Ditto. I agree.

 

[VRBeauty]

Mom has hired publicity agents:

http://www.latimes.com/news/local/la-me-octuplets3-2009feb03,0,6983653.story

I think all I can csay is that I wish them all long, happy lives...

preferably out of the limelight.

 

[miss_flo]

Date: 1/30/2009 2:07:40 PM
Author: .Jenevieve.
I wasn''t going to post on this subject because I''m not in good mood and I felt I would probably say something I would regret. However the majority of the responses are judgmental and uncalled for, especially since I''m sure most of you do not know this woman or her family.


First, I read the article, in the link provided, and no where did I read/see that she was in her late 20''s and/or single and jobless. Did you ladies read/hear this somewhere else or are you just presuming? If I''m wrong please feel free to correct me and point me to precisely to where it states these ''facts'' the media has spouted. They [the media] are notorious for reporting fallacies or for stretching the truth. I personally have heard them report several different stories about this woman, so how about all the facts be gathered, from a reliable source, before you jump on this woman for being ''irresponsible''.


Besides, whether she''s in her late 20s and single or if she''s in her 40s and married, what does it matter to any of you? Unless she''s on welfare, and sponging off your hard earned money, mine too, I don''t see how her marital status and number children -or anything else pertaining to this woman- could possibly be the business of any of the posters here. I mean come on!! Are you so perfect that you can put down others for their choices, good or bad? I think not!

And to the poster that said this... '' I''m sorry, this is one of THE most irresponsible things I''ve ever heard. I have no words, that are nice.'' Give me a f**king break! I have no nice words about your exceedingly judgmental and presumptuous remark either.


Normally I find the people that post here to be wise, level-headed and fairly compassionate individuals. However the majority of the posts -and posters- here [in this thread] are beyond judgmental and just plain rude with their assumptions.

Ouch, must hurt to fall off that high horse. Before you jump in here chastising everyone for being rude and presumptuous, perhaps YOU should wait for the full details to emerge as well. I held my tongue before I knew more information, but I don''t blame the public for being incensed by her irresponsibility. There were ethical and moral issues at play from the very beginning of this debacle, and it was no fault of the media''s that Nadya Suleman and her mother gave conflicting, confusing reports of the situation. As it turns out, Ms. Suleman was solely interested in selling her story to highest bidder rather than trying to set the facts straight. She is no longer a "private" figure because she chose to hire a publicity agent, so she has knowingly opened herself to media inquiry.

Is judging wrong? Yup, but I''m okay with it in this case. She had no money, spent what little she had on IVF, and chose to bring 14 lives into this world that she had no way of supporting. She''s relying on public support and media attention to feed her babies, and she somehow thinks she''s qualified to become a parenting expert. I''m going to pray every day for those children, and I don''t care if you think that''s "exceedingly judgmental."

 

[Ellen]

A rather thought provoking article on the subject at hand.

GARRISON, New York (CNN) -- The birth of octuplets to a California woman last week raised a boatload of issues that can distract us from the central ethical question posed by the case: How do we take children''s well-being into account in reproductive medicine?

 

[MaggieB]

Date: 1/30/2009 2:07:40 PM
Author: .Jenevieve.
I wasn''t going to post on this subject because I''m not in good mood and I felt I would probably say something I would regret. However the majority of the responses are judgmental and uncalled for, especially since I''m sure most of you do not know this woman or her family.

First, I read the article, in the link provided, and no where did I read/see that she was in her late 20''s and/or single and jobless. Did you ladies read/hear this somewhere else or are you just presuming? If I''m wrong please feel free to correct me and point me to precisely to where it states these ''facts'' the media has spouted. They [the media] are notorious for reporting fallacies or for stretching the truth. I personally have heard them report several different stories about this woman, so how about all the facts be gathered, from a reliable source, before you jump on this woman for being ''irresponsible''.

Besides, whether she''s in her late 20s and single or if she''s in her 40s and married, what does it matter to any of you? Unless she''s on welfare, and sponging off your hard earned money, mine too, I don''t see how her marital status and number children -or anything else pertaining to this woman- could possibly be the business of any of the posters here. I mean come on!! Are you so perfect that you can put down others for their choices, good or bad? I think not!
And to the poster that said this... '' I''m sorry, this is one of THE most irresponsible things I''ve ever heard. I have no words, that are nice.'' Give me a f**king break! I have no nice words about your exceedingly judgmental and presumptuous remark either.

Normally I find the people that post here to be wise, level-headed and fairly compassionate individuals. However the majority of the posts -and posters- here [in this thread] are beyond judgmental and just plain rude with their assumptions.

I haven''t read all the way through the thread yet, so surely someone else has responded to you, but the issue here is that implanting 8 embryos into a HUMAN uterus is an extremely irresponsible act, virtually guaranteeing a lifetime of serious health and developmental problems for the children. It should NEVER happen, to a 20 year old, to a 40 year old, to a rich mom, to a poor mom, period.

As a mother who went through IVF, I am HORRIFIED that someone would commit such a selfish act.

 

[diamondsrock]

I saw this on Today this morning, and to be honest, this is probably the worst possible story I could imaigne from this scenario. I was kind of hoping that they would say it was an accident at least and not planned since I couldn''t imagine a woman or a doctor going ahead with implanting all those embryos (I had guessed she had taken fertility drugs on her own or something). She is saying she did this intentionally, wanted the doctor to implant all 6 embryos (I think two split into twins), knew the risks, but took a gamble and went ahead with it. (this is extremely irresponsible if she knew the risks) Also, she denies being selfish because she loves each child and spends time with them,etc..which she claims not all parents do. She also claims that because she was an only child she wanted a lot of children to fill some sort of emotional void or something from her childhood (WTF???)
I''m at a loss for words.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/29038814/?gt1=43001

 

[Thomperchik]

I can''t seem to find the article that I read the other day, but it was something along the lines of the human body is not genetically made to have the capability to carry that many children. It''s not normal and it can cause serious side effects to the babies and especially the mother.

Now I''m not a specialist in medicine and this is just my opinion, but what really upsets me is the irresponsibility of the doctors that volunteer to do this procedure without looking into the mother''s history. To me it seems clear that she has mental issues and perhaps she should''ve gone through counseling before the doctors proceeded to put 8 IV into her belly.

Granted I don''t know this woman and I could be wrong, but the birth process and children are so special. How dare she take for granted that gift that some woman dream of having but can''t?!? I don''t get it. I definitely think DCF needs to have a deep look into this one...

 

[tlh]

Date: 2/6/2009 11:16:15 AM
Author: diamondsrock
I saw this on Today this morning, and to be honest, this is probably the worst possible story I could imaigne from this scenario. I was kind of hoping that they would say it was an accident at least and not planned since I couldn''t imagine a woman or a doctor going ahead with implanting all those embryos (I had guessed she had taken fertility drugs on her own or something). She is saying she did this intentionally, wanted the doctor to implant all 6 embryos (I think two split into twins), knew the risks, but took a gamble and went ahead with it. (this is extremely irresponsible if she knew the risks) Also, she denies being selfish because she loves each child and spends time with them,etc..which she claims not all parents do. She also claims that because she was an only child she wanted a lot of children to fill some sort of emotional void or something from her childhood (WTF???)
I''m at a loss for words.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/29038814/?gt1=43001

Quote from the article captioned above....

“People feel, you know, this woman is being completely irresponsible and selfish to bring these children in the world without a clear source of income and enough help to raise them,” Curry told Nadya Suleman in a segment that aired Friday on TODAY. “The world outside is saying, ‘What are you doing?’ ”

“I know I''ll be able to afford them when I''m done with my schooling,” the 33-year-old single mom replied. Calm, poised and articulate in the glare of the media spotlight, Suleman added: “If I was just sitting down watching TV and not being as determined as I am to succeed and provide a better future for my children, I believe that would be considered, to a certain degree, selfish.”

I think that was a HUGE gamble. This statement speaks volumes. She says she cannot afford them now. It is amazing. This is the theory that everything will be alright... TOMORROW. I''ll start my diet, tomorrow... How are you going to finish schooling w/ 14 children?

Later in the article she says she holds each child for 45 minutes, and says this is more than the average person spends loving their children. Umm... news flash. That is just one middle of the night breastfeeding session.

I am sooo sad for these children.

You want to know why america is not supporting her? It is because people are losing their homes, are losing their jobs, or afraid of losing their jobs... and here is a woman - CREATING her problems... and is clueless that she is creating her problems... and upset that she is not getting a house, a car, etc. Ok. Vent over.

 

[Definitely. Maybe]

Date: 2/6/2009 11:37:19 AM
Author: Thomperchik

I can''t seem to find the article that I read the other day, but it was something along the lines of the human body is not genetically made to have the capability to carry that many children. It''s not normal and it can cause serious side effects to the babies and especially the mother.

Now I''m not a specialist in medicine and this is just my opinion, but what really upsets me is the irresponsibility of the doctors that volunteer to do this procedure without looking into the mother''s history. To me it seems clear that she has mental issues and perhaps she should''ve gone through counseling before the doctors proceeded to put 8 IV into her belly.

Granted I don''t know this woman and I could be wrong, but the birth process and children are so special. How dare she take for granted that gift that some woman dream of having but can''t?!? I don''t get it. I definitely think DCF needs to have a deep look into this one...

I agree. I think she has fully taken advantage of fertility treatments. Feeling lonely,in my opinion, does not justify risking your life and the lives of 8 other babies... plus the 6 she already has.

From the article: The hospital bill alone will run $1.5 to $3 million. Forget about getting to college; just to get through special-needs stuff — it’s going to have to come from somewhere, either the taxpayers of California or her family or her church or the hospital. But she can’t do it alone.”

1.5.-3 million dollars! She for sure will not be able to do it alone. I read in a yahoo article this morning that from 2002-2008 she started receiving disability paychecks that has summed up over 165k. 02-08 is when she started conceiving those children. That must be how she got the money for IVF, but how is going to pay for their daily living. This is absurd.

The other article talks about which offers she has and how many interviews and book deals she has and that she is the most sought after woman in the world right now. This is infuriating. Although I read the articles when I see them. I do not want to see her profit on this. I agree with Ann Curry (i think) who said she should have sought therapy and not 14 children.

 

[crown1]

i was rather shocked when i saw her on the today show. i am asking if anyone else thought she looked like she had had injections in her lips? it appeared so to me. i got the sense she was going for the angelina jolie look. i wondered if that had something to do with the desire to have many children. i hope this is not offensive it is just a sense i got when i saw her. if i am wrong about the lips and this is just her look i am sorry to be judging her on her appearance. i am not thinking she is unattractive but that the look may have something to do with her motive to be like a "movie star".

 

[decodelighted]

Date: 2/6/2009 1:11:27 PM
Author: crown1
i was rather shocked when i saw her on the today show. i am asking if anyone else thought she looked like she had had injections in her lips? it appeared so to me. i got the sense she was going for the angelina jolie look. i wondered if that had something to do with the desire to have many children. i hope this is not offensive it is just a sense i got when i saw her. if i am wrong about the lips and this is just her look i am sorry to be judging her on her appearance. i am not thinking she is unattractive but that the look may have something to do with her motive to be like a ''movie star''.

OMG ... I think you''re right!! As if she needed any *more* flavors of insanity.

Did you see the SNL skit where on Weekend Update they''re talking about the octuplets & "Angelina Jolie" shows up and asks anchor Seth Meyers "Eight babies? Do you know if she wants them all?" ... now that seems even FREAKIER. Wonder if she had her lip injections SINCE Saturday?

 

[luvthemstrawberries]

Date: 2/6/2009 1:11:27 PM
Author: crown1
i was rather shocked when i saw her on the today show. i am asking if anyone else thought she looked like she had had injections in her lips? it appeared so to me. i got the sense she was going for the angelina jolie look. i wondered if that had something to do with the desire to have many children. i hope this is not offensive it is just a sense i got when i saw her. if i am wrong about the lips and this is just her look i am sorry to be judging her on her appearance. i am not thinking she is unattractive but that the look may have something to do with her motive to be like a ''movie star''.

This is EXACTLY what I thought when I saw her this morning - I thought she looked like Angelina Jolie!! Lip injections didn''t occur to me, but I did think they were rather plump and she really reminded me of Jolie.

I was totally surprised to see her give any sort of interview, let alone an "exclusive" interview to NBC. I thought it was really interesting the things the doctors on the show said after watching her interview segment. They said the woman is in denial and is going the total wrong thing to fill a void by having children. They also said she''s being unreasonable and in denial about how much effort it''s going to take. I know some of you talked about the breast feeding time and all, but the doctors even talked about how much time parents have to devote to children when it comes to homework, etc... let alone the fact that when you have multiples like this, there''s a good chance some of them will have physical or developmental disabilities, when means even more time which has to be devoted to helping them through that.

FI hadn''t seen this story until this morning. He couldn''t believe it when I told him all 14 children were through IVF.

 

[crown1]

Date: 2/6/2009 1:26:13 PM
Author: decodelighted

Date: 2/6/2009 1:11:27 PM

Author: crown1

i was rather shocked when i saw her on the today show. i am asking if anyone else thought she looked like she had had injections in her lips? it appeared so to me. i got the sense she was going for the angelina jolie look. i wondered if that had something to do with the desire to have many children. i hope this is not offensive it is just a sense i got when i saw her. if i am wrong about the lips and this is just her look i am sorry to be judging her on her appearance. i am not thinking she is unattractive but that the look may have something to do with her motive to be like a ''movie star''.

OMG ... I think you''re right!! As if she needed any *more* flavors of insanity.

Did you see the SNL skit where on Weekend Update they''re talking about the octuplets & ''Angelina Jolie'' shows up and asks anchor Seth Meyers ''Eight babies? Do you know if she wants them all?'' ... now that seems even FREAKIER. Wonder if she had her lip injections SINCE Saturday?

i did not catch that show. i do think the hair was similar and i noticed her arms were thin for a woman who has birthed 14 children. if my thought is right i would have thought the lips were done before saturday. i was never able to find a picture of her until i saw her on today this am. it would be interesting to see what she looked like 8 or 9 years ago, pre babies.