CA Mom who gave birth to octuplets has SIX other kids at home under age 7!

[neatfreak]

A few things on fertility treatments

1. If she took drugs and did not have embryos implanted then it's entirely possible to have high order multiples without explicitly choosing that many embryos.

2. Embryos can split even after implanted through IVF. So it's possible (not probable, but possible) that she had 3-4 embryos implanted and they all split into twins or triplet sets. If that were the case then the doctor didn't do anything that most other doctors wouldn't do (even if the standard is 2 embryos for young women.)

3. I'm pretty sure that it was reported in multiple places that her other children (or at least some of them) were also conceived with help from fertility treatments. So the comments about her being "obviously fertile" should probably be reserved until we find out more.

I am just throwing it out there that this type of outcome is possible without the doctors doing anything wrong...Personally I really hope this is the case, it just makes me sick to think of a doctor knowingly implanting 8 embryos. Makes you wonder what other wonderfully unethical things doctors are doing these days.

 

[Ellen]

Date: 1/31/2009 7:47:30 AM
Author: neatfreak
A few things on fertility treatments

1. If she took drugs and did not have embryos implanted then it's entirely possible to have high order multiples without explicitly choosing that many embryos.

2. Embryos can split even after implanted through IVF. So it's possible (not probable, but possible) that she had 3-4 embryos implanted and they all split into twins or triplet sets. If that were the case then the doctor didn't do anything that most other doctors wouldn't do (even if the standard is 2 embryos for young women.)

3. I'm pretty sure that it was reported in multiple places that her other children (or at least some of them) were also conceived with help from fertility treatments. So the comments about her being 'obviously fertile' should probably be reserved until we find out more.

I am just throwing it out there that this type of outcome is possible without the doctors doing anything wrong...Personally I really hope this is the case, it just makes me sick to think of a doctor knowingly implanting 8 embryos. Makes you wonder what other wonderfully unethical things doctors are doing these days.

Neat, the article I just linked above has her mother saying that.

 

[tlh]

I am thinking this is one of those... "unclean hands" situation. But I am just CONFUSED!!! Even if she lied to the DR about her NOT having any children... and LIED about NOT taking any OTC (what the??) fertility drugs... IMPLANTING 8 just seems irrisponsible on the Dr''s part.

Meresal- I am soo sorry to hear about your sister. I cannot say much, but I offer my ((warmest hugs)) and hope that all the sexy time ends with happy results.

 

[Ellen]

Date: 1/31/2009 7:36:15 AM
Author: Ellen
Here is another article that quotes her mother, briefly, on how, and more importantly, why this happened. The babies mothers friend is also quoted as saying the mother and grandparents would have enough money to raise the children. That's interesting, since she filed for bankruptcy, though it says the case was dropped. I sincerely hope she can afford it, because taxpayers should not have to. This was no accident, among other things. But I really find it hard to believe this family can cope with no financial help.


http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/01/31/nadya-suleman-octuplets-m_n_162756.html

I went back to this article to try and find a quote, and it has been revised a lot! though it doesn't say it's been updated. Very revealing on some fronts.....And sad, her mom now says she's going to be gone when the daughter gets home. This is so bizzare, and so sad.

 

[tlh]

Date: 1/31/2009 9:58:24 AM
Author: Ellen

Date: 1/31/2009 7:36:15 AM
Author: Ellen
Here is another article that quotes her mother, briefly, on how, and more importantly, why this happened. The babies mothers friend is also quoted as saying the mother and grandparents would have enough money to raise the children. That''s interesting, since she filed for bankruptcy, though it says the case was dropped. I sincerely hope she can afford it, because taxpayers should not have to. This was no accident, among other things. But I really find it hard to believe this family can cope with no financial help.


http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/01/31/nadya-suleman-octuplets-m_n_162756.html

I went back to this article to try and find a quote, and it has been revised a lot! though it doesn''t say it''s been updated. Very revealing on some fronts.....And sad, her mom now says she''s going to be gone when the daughter gets home. This is so bizzare, and so sad.

What!!??!! so she is now supposed to raise 14 children under 7 all by herself! OMG, this story keeps getting more and more bizzare, I am serious, I just keep thinking, how much more of a circus can this become?

 

[luckystar112]

I could have sworn I read/saw something about them having a bigger house somewhere where they'll be raising the kids?
I think it was on TV...and the grandfather was like "And you're not getting the address!!!"

 

[Ellen]

Date: 1/31/2009 11:20:59 AM
Author: tlh
What!!??!! so she is now supposed to raise 14 children under 7 all by herself! OMG, this story keeps getting more and more bizzare, I am serious, I just keep thinking, how much more of a circus can this become?

I know.... If her mom really did say that, judging from other things she has said, I''m wondering if part of the reason isn''t to try and force her to give some up for adoption. She couldn''t stop her from conceiving, so maybe she''s thinking she can "stop" her from keeping all these kids, if she doesn''t have enough help. That is just a total guess though.

 

[Ellen]

Date: 1/31/2009 11:24:12 AM
Author: luckystar112
I couldn''t have sworn I read/saw something about them having a bigger house somewhere where they''ll be raising the kids?
I think it was on TV...and the grandfather was like ''And you''re not getting the address!!!''

Yes, he said that. But the press WILL find it, if it really exists.

But if her mom really leaves, and her dad is in Iraq, how in the world can she cope with this?

 

[meresal]

Date: 1/31/2009 9:58:24 AM
Author: Ellen

Date: 1/31/2009 7:36:15 AM
Author: Ellen
Here is another article that quotes her mother, briefly, on how, and more importantly, why this happened. The babies mothers friend is also quoted as saying the mother and grandparents would have enough money to raise the children. That's interesting, since she filed for bankruptcy, though it says the case was dropped. I sincerely hope she can afford it, because taxpayers should not have to. This was no accident, among other things. But I really find it hard to believe this family can cope with no financial help.


http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/01/31/nadya-suleman-octuplets-m_n_162756.html

I went back to this article to try and find a quote, and it has been revised a lot! though it doesn't say it's been updated. Very revealing on some fronts.....And sad, her mom now says she's going to be gone when the daughter gets home. This is so bizzare, and so sad.

She was apparently "paid" to have these children?? I can't wait to see how that one fizzles into the truth...

tlh: Thanks for the hugs. The hard part was that after all the crap from the first marriage settled, she found a great guy, and they actually got pregnant the old fashoined way, which was never supposed to be possible, and was 38 yrs old. Then 3 months later had a MC, and the most sickening part, was that they couldn't get her in for 3 days to have the surgery!!! Talk about rubbing salt in the wound.

I just want to understand this story better. It sounds like an expirement to me. Even if they only implanted 3 or 4 and they all split, why in the world would they implant that many embryos into a woman that already has 6 children. Like everyone keeps saying, it just isn't worth the risks for the single mom, the children at home, and the unborn.

I'm also interested to find out why 4 of the children have a father on their birth certificate?? Maybe she hasn't been living at home the whole time, but I have a hard time believing that the grandmother that has been around this long, will leave at this point.
Ellen: That's an intresting point about the granmother possibly trying to get her to adpopt a few of them. Who know what is going to happen at this point?

 

[tlh]

Date: 1/31/2009 11:28:08 AM
Author: Ellen

Date: 1/31/2009 11:24:12 AM
Author: luckystar112
I couldn't have sworn I read/saw something about them having a bigger house somewhere where they'll be raising the kids?
I think it was on TV...and the grandfather was like 'And you're not getting the address!!!'

Yes, he said that. But the press WILL find it, if it really exists.

But if her mom really leaves, and her dad is in Iraq, how in the world can she cope with this?

My heart is breaking for all those babies. I certainly hope the mother can get whatever help (counseling) she needs. I was thinking, in some states they limit the number of infants a daycare/ childcare provider can watch, because they say that it is impossible to provide your attention to soo many. I wonder how situations like this play into it... I am not advocating child cruelty laws be enacted... but if she is alone... dad is in IRAQ, mother ???? goes who knows where, and w/o a spouse, or whatever her situation is... how is this plausable. I am just a little concerned for these children, and whatever backlash comes from this...

 

[tlh]

Date: 1/31/2009 11:34:00 AM
Author: meresal

She was apparently ''paid'' to have these children?? I can''t wait to see how that one fizzles into the truth...

tlh: Thanks for the hugs. The hard part was that after all the crap from the first marriage settled, she found a great guy, and they actually got pregnant the old fashoined way, which was never supposed to be possible, and was 38 yrs old. Then 3 months later had a MC, and the most sickening part, was that they couldn''t get her in for 3 days to have the surgery!!! Talk about rubbing salt in the wound.

I just want to understand this story better. It sounds like an expirement to me. Even if they only implanted 3 or 4 and they all split, why in the world would they implant that many embryos into a woman that already has 6 children. Like everyone keeps saying, it just isn''t worth the risks for the single mom, the children at home, and the unborn.

I''m also interested to find out why 4 of the children have a father on their birth certificate?? Maybe she hasn''t been living at home the whole time, but I have a hard time believing that the grandmother that has been around this long, will leave at this point.
Ellen: That''s an intresting point about the granmother possibly trying to get her to adpopt a few of them. Who know what is going to happen at this point?

That is some salt. I am sorry. But I do believe in miracles. I know this doesn''t come remotely close to comparing, I have a friend who wanted a baby soo bad... same as above, fertility treatments didn''t work...and they just gave up on having a baby. So they got a dog... and well... still got frisky. I don''t know what magic happened between the sheets, but it was when they didn''t try anymore, that it... just happened. She is 3 now. So I will think my warmest thoughts that their frisky time is magical.

 

[neatfreak]

Date: 1/31/2009 11:34:00 AM
Author: meresal
I just want to understand this story better. It sounds like an expirement to me. Even if they only implanted 3 or 4 and they all split, why in the world would they implant that many embryos into a woman that already has 6 children. Like everyone keeps saying, it just isn't worth the risks for the single mom, the children at home, and the unborn.

Maybe it's me, but I don't think it's their business to decide whether to give a woman IVF if she wants to have another child. I agree that the decision to possibly have implanted so many is irresponsible, but I do think that women have a right to choose how many kids they want even if that number is high above what most of us would want.

I feel like she has to have money somewhere to have a nanny (who has been quoted in multiple articles) and have all these IVF procedures, they aren't cheap. Unless she spent all her money on IVF I don't think she will be asking for public assistance for these kids...

 

[Ellen]

meresal, I want to understand this story better too. It''s just really "out there" right now.


tlh, I am more than a little concerned for these kids. I am concerned a lot.


neat, I hear what you''re saying about a womans right to choose how many children she wants. But honestly, when one takes everything into account, it seems to reach well past the norm, imo.

As for being able to afford them, I read each childs birth alone could easily cost 100,000.00, plus raising them. She filed for bankruptcy within the last two years. If she does work, she leaves these kids with whom? And that will cost, what? and if she doesn''t work, she gets money from where? And could it possibly be enough? I''m sorry, I don''t see any way she can''t ask for some assistance.

I''m not meaning to be argumentitive, but again, this just seems like a bad situation all around.

 

[neatfreak]

Date: 1/31/2009 12:09:38 PM
Author: Ellen
meresal, I want to understand this story better too. It's just really 'out there' right now.



tlh, I am more than a little concerned for these kids. I am concerned a lot.



neat, I hear what you're saying about a womans right to choose how many children she wants. But honestly, when one takes everything into account, it seems to reach well past the norm, imo.


As for being able to afford them, I read each childs birth alone could easily cost 100,000.00, plus raising them. She filed for bankruptcy within the last two years. If she does work, she leaves these kids with whom? And that will cost, what? and if she doesn't work, she gets money from where? And could it possibly be enough? I'm sorry, I don't see any way she can't ask for some assistance.


I'm not meaning to be argumentitive, but again, this just seems like a bad situation all around.

I agree that the situation seems bad with what we know, but I'm just not convinced we know the whole story. I mean if she filed for bankruptcy how the heck is she getting the money for IVF treatments? They aren't cheap.

First she was an unmarried 20 something living with mom and dad, then she was a 30 something, married, with a husband in Iraq...who knows where the story will really end up! I guess I am just willing to give her the benefit of the doubt before we go judging her by crazy media stories.

 

[Ellen]

Date: 1/31/2009 12:21:33 PM
Author: neatfreak


I agree that the situation seems bad with what we know, but I''m just not convinced we know the whole story. I mean if she filed for bankruptcy how the heck is she getting the money for IVF treatments? They aren''t cheap.

First she was an unmarried 20 something living with mom and dad, then she was a 30 something, married, with a husband in Iraq...who knows where the story will really end up!

I''ve never read she was married, though not saying that wasn''t published. And it''s her dad that''s going back to Iraq. She does live with her parents.

And yeah, how she paid for this will be interesting to find out.

But there''s definitely more to this story.....

 

[neatfreak]

Date: 1/31/2009 12:25:52 PM
Author: Ellen

Date: 1/31/2009 12:21:33 PM

Author: neatfreak



I agree that the situation seems bad with what we know, but I'm just not convinced we know the whole story. I mean if she filed for bankruptcy how the heck is she getting the money for IVF treatments? They aren't cheap.


First she was an unmarried 20 something living with mom and dad, then she was a 30 something, married, with a husband in Iraq...who knows where the story will really end up!

I've never read she was married, though not saying that wasn't published. And it's her dad that's going back to Iraq. She does live with her parents.


And yeah, how she paid for this will be interesting to find out.


But there's definitely more to this story.....

The story started out that she was single and in her 20's, then went to she was married but moved in with her parents because her hubby was in Iraq, then she was in her 30's and her dad was going to Iraq and she was living with her parents to help with childcare (which I think is where it stands now, right?)....who the heck knows! Not the media for sure!

 

[luckystar112]

I think what bothers me is the lack of privacy. The woman wished to remain anonymous, and then the media, again, takes it upon themselves to try and dig up as much dirt as possible on her--most of it from secondhand sources such as neighbors who "heard" things and relatives who don''t know how to shut up. Not that I''m not as interested as the next person, I just think it has to suck to request for privacy and have it be broken.

 

[neatfreak]

Date: 1/31/2009 12:49:00 PM
Author: luckystar112
I think what bothers me is the lack of privacy. The woman wished to remain anonymous, and then the media, again, takes it upon themselves to try and dig up as much dirt as possible on her--most of it from secondhand sources such as neighbors who ''heard'' things and relatives who don''t know how to shut up. Not that I''m not as interested as the next person, I just think it has to suck to request for privacy and have it be broken.

Agreed. They are hounds for sure.

 

[meresal]

Date: 1/31/2009 1:12:11 PM
Author: neatfreak


Agreed. They are hounds for sure.

Ok, I understand wanting privacy, but the woman knows that this country is baby-crazy and it''s going to drawn attention. Heck, for the past 10 years there has been a national story about ANY birth of more than 4 or 5 children.

With that said, every report on Monday was the beginnings of a heart warming story. Yes, it has changed a bit, but that it becuase this story just isn''t normal. Is it bad if they are invading her privacy to say nice thing about her, or is it only "hounding" if they are saying bad things about her? (Which none of the media that I have been watching has said anything about her as a person. Just the practice of what is believed that the doctors did.) These are national media sources, that are probably getting thousands of letters/requests a day for more information... if they don''t try to provide it, then viewers will change the channel.

 

[Definitely. Maybe]

I think it would be considered "hounding" either way because the woman (from the beginning) did not want to identify herself and they kept pushing. I doubt she knew they were saying anything bad... and at first I don''t think they were.

 

[VRBeauty]

From what I've read, there are a few tangles that need to be straightened out:

1) it was the young woman's mother who filed for bankrupcy, not the new mother herself.
2) it's the young woman's father who's in Iraq, not her (former) husband.

A story in this morning's Sacramento Bee (sacbee.com) indicated that she "wanted another daughter" (I'd link but my computer is balking) and that she "loves children."

Personally, I don't think that a single woman raising even seven children under the age of 10 (assuming a single birth from all that treatment) is going to be in the best interest of the children in most cases. I know this opens up a whole other can of worms, but... don't the interests of the children also deserve some consideration?

 

[Definitely. Maybe]

Date: 1/31/2009 2:05:04 PM
Author: VRBeauty
From what I''ve read, there are a few tangles that need to be straightened out:

1) it was the young woman''s mother who filed for bankrupcy, not the new mother herself.
2) it''s the young woman''s father who''s in Iraq, not her (former) husband.

A story in this morning''s Sacramento Bee (sacbee.com) indicated that she ''wanted another daughter'' (I''d link but my computer is balking) and that she ''loves children.''

Personally, I don''t think that a single woman raising even seven children under the age of 10 (assuming a single birth from all that treatment) is going to be in the best interest of the children in most cases. I know this opens up a whole other can of worms, but... don''t the interests of the children also deserve some consideration?

I think 1 and 2 have been straightened out. I think it was just confused in the beginning when the details were starting to emerge.

The latest article I read said that she has wanted 12 children since she was a teenager. I think we really need to hear the moms side of the story. I am not sure how much I *trust* even the grandmas statements. I know my mom would never go against my *privacy* wishes and start making statements about my desires, no matter how off they seem to be. She seems to be supporting her daughter up until now and I don''t know why she is stepping out saying these things, true or not.

As far as the interest of the children, in general I think it would be a LOT for any parent to raise 6 under 10, but again we do not know the full details. Who knows, maybe (which I am REALLY hoping at this point) that this woman has tons of funds and will be able to support all 14 of these children.

 

[kaori]

Mm....maybe she collects childs as her habit?

 

[MonkeyPie]

Date: 1/31/2009 2:45:11 PM
Author: kaori
Mm....maybe she collects childs as her habit?

This is kind of my vibe, too. That maybe it is a psychological disorder.

And from what I''m understanding out of all these articles, the money is being GIVEN to her to have IVF. Someone is sponsoring it...and you have to wonder why.

 

[luckystar112]

Date: 1/31/2009 5:09:16 PM
Author: MonkeyPie

And from what I''m understanding out of all these articles, the money is being GIVEN to her to have IVF. Someone is sponsoring it...and you have to wonder why.

Wouldn''t it be ironic if she was getting paid to participate in some study so she could afford to take care of her OTHER kids?

Um......you''re doing it wrong.


lol!

 

[meresal]

Date: 1/31/2009 5:47:29 PM
Author: luckystar112

Date: 1/31/2009 5:09:16 PM
Author: MonkeyPie

And from what I''m understanding out of all these articles, the money is being GIVEN to her to have IVF. Someone is sponsoring it...and you have to wonder why.

Wouldn''t it be ironic if she was getting paid to participate in some study so she could afford to take care of her OTHER kids?

Um......you''re doing it wrong.


lol!

In one article, the nanny "said" she asked the mom how she could afford to do IVF for 7 children, and the mom "supposedly" replied "I''m was paid to do it."

 

[iluvcarats]

Date: 1/31/2009 5:47:29 PM
Author: luckystar112

Date: 1/31/2009 5:09:16 PM

Author: MonkeyPie


And from what I''m understanding out of all these articles, the money is being GIVEN to her to have IVF. Someone is sponsoring it...and you have to wonder why.

Wouldn''t it be ironic if she was getting paid to participate in some study so she could afford to take care of her OTHER kids?


Um......you''re doing it wrong.



lol!

I thought she was trying to beat out Jon and Kate

 

[tlh]

Date: 1/31/2009 8:06:40 PM
Author: meresal

Date: 1/31/2009 5:47:29 PM
Author: luckystar112

Date: 1/31/2009 5:09:16 PM
Author: MonkeyPie

And from what I''m understanding out of all these articles, the money is being GIVEN to her to have IVF. Someone is sponsoring it...and you have to wonder why.

Wouldn''t it be ironic if she was getting paid to participate in some study so she could afford to take care of her OTHER kids?

Um......you''re doing it wrong.


lol!

In one article, the nanny ''said'' she asked the mom how she could afford to do IVF for 7 children, and the mom ''supposedly'' replied ''I''m was paid to do it.''

Tres Bizzare....

 

[Kaleigh]

Anything new on this? I was away most of today....

 

[iluvcarats]

Date: 1/31/2009 9:43:12 PM
Author: Kaleigh
Anything new on this? I was away most of today....

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