CA Mom who gave birth to octuplets has SIX other kids at home under age 7!

[lovegem]

Anyone know how much she would get from government assistance per child?

14? That is totally irresponsible.

 

[diamondseeker2006]

I just heard an interview with a doctor who said it is standard procedure to implant no more than 2 embryos in women under 35. This has ZERO to do with the doctor''s personal beliefs and has everything to do with standard medical care. So it might really make sense to think she had this done outside the US. But there are bad doctors here, too.

They said said she is 33, divorced, and was working on her masters in PSYCHOLOGY (imagine that). A neighbor said she had said she always wanted a dozen children.

 

[Ellen]

In this article, according to her mother she was warned at 12 weeks that there were multiple fetuses, but she declined to selectively reduce any. Now that''s where I won''t judge, that would be hard to do. But then that just goes back to, I wouldn''t be dreaming of having more kids, especially by a method known for multiples, when I had six already. So I''d never put mysef in that position in the first place.

http://bama.live.advance.net/newsflash/topstories/index.ssf?/base/national-10/1233320070293930.xml&storylist=

 

[diamondseeker2006]

Date: 1/30/2009 7:29:04 PM
Author: Ellen
In this article, according to her mother she was warned at 12 weeks that there were multiple fetuses, but she declined to selectively reduce any. Now that''s where I won''t judge, that would be hard to do. But then that just goes back to, I wouldn''t be dreaming of having more kids, especially by a method known for multiples, when I had six already. So I''d never put mysef in that position in the first place.

http://bama.live.advance.net/newsflash/topstories/index.ssf?/base/national-10/1233320070293930.xml&storylist=

Totally agree. The doctor should not have put her in that position. I did hear them say it could possibly be considered malpractice.

 

[meresal]

Date: 1/30/2009 7:23:05 PM
Author: diamondseeker2006
I just heard an interview with a doctor who said it is standard procedure to implant no more than 2 embryos in women under 35. This has ZERO to do with the doctor's personal beliefs and has everything to do with standard medical care. So it might really make sense to think she had this done outside the US. But there are bad doctors here, too.

They said said she is 33, divorced, and was working on her masters in PSYCHOLOGY (imagine that). A neighbor said she had said she always wanted a dozen children.

DS, my post was at the bottom of pg 3, so you may not have seen it, but this isn't just standard procedure. It is specifically written in these documents:

"Per: The Practice Committe of the Society for Assisted Reproductive Technology: It is stated that any patient under the age of 35 should have no more than 2 embryos implanted."

I think my sister paid upwards of $30k as well to try the fertility treatments twice, and they never implanted more than 3 or 4. Not sure if that was total or per time. She never got pregnant, and they never offered to implant 8.

 

[diamondseeker2006]

Date: 1/30/2009 8:06:11 PM
Author: meresal

Date: 1/30/2009 7:23:05 PM
Author: diamondseeker2006
I just heard an interview with a doctor who said it is standard procedure to implant no more than 2 embryos in women under 35. This has ZERO to do with the doctor''s personal beliefs and has everything to do with standard medical care. So it might really make sense to think she had this done outside the US. But there are bad doctors here, too.

They said said she is 33, divorced, and was working on her masters in PSYCHOLOGY (imagine that). A neighbor said she had said she always wanted a dozen children.

DS, my post was at the bottom of pg 3, so you may not have seen it, but this isn''t just standard procedure. It is specifically written in these documents:

''Per: The Practice Committe of the Society for Assisted Reproductive Technology: It is stated that any patient under the age of 35 should have no more than 2 embryos implanted.''

I think my sister paid upwards of $30k as well to try the fertility treatments twice, and they never implanted more than 3 or 4. Not sure if that was total or per time. She never got pregnant, and they never offered to implant 8.

Good, then this is definitely an anomaly, thank goodness! I imagine it will eventually come out about who did this. You can understand stretching the rules to add one more, but eight is unbelievably irresponsible.

 

[Ellen]

CNN is getting ready to report on this. Said in the teaser she took fertlity drugs.

 

[Kaleigh]

Date: 1/30/2009 8:12:19 PM
Author: Ellen
CNN is getting ready to report on this. Said in the teaser she took fertlity drugs.

Thanks will watch CNN.

 

[meresal]

Date: 1/30/2009 8:12:19 PM
Author: Ellen
CNN is getting ready to report on this. Said in the teaser she took fertlity drugs.

I''m waiting for it, but FI is going to make me TIVO it... we have to get to the movies. Promised him I''d go see "The Wrestler" this weekend.

I''ll definitely comment when I get back. Hopefully they''ve found a few more answers.

 

[Ellen]

Date: 1/30/2009 8:26:49 PM
Author: meresal

Date: 1/30/2009 8:12:19 PM
Author: Ellen
CNN is getting ready to report on this. Said in the teaser she took fertlity drugs.

I''m waiting for it, but FI is going to make me TIVO it... we have to get to the movies. Promised him I''d go see ''The Wrestler'' this weekend.

I''ll definitely comment when I get back. Hopefully they''ve found a few more answers.

Have fun!

 

[Definitely. Maybe]

I''m sure someone will comment on whatever is said on CNN, but I can''t seem to find it on my TV so if someone would give a brief summary after they see I''d be grateful! hehe. This has been an interesting story..

 

[snlee]

I am shocked over this story too. I just cannot imagine why an unmarried woman, in her early 30's, who has 6 children under age 7, and LIVES WITH HER PARENTS, would undergo fertility treatments!

I would like to hear from her doctors too. Why would they implant so many embryos and how could they miss a baby? I'm sure they did MANY ultrasounds on her throughout her pregnancy.

I'm watching CNN and waiting for this story.

 

[snlee]

It's on right now...

 

[snlee]

Sorry, double post.

 

[Kaleigh]

We need to hear from the Doc. I''d like to know if he knew she already had 6 kids at home....

 

[Definitely. Maybe]

I caught the end (?) about ordering it offline... It makes me wonder how often that is done since there seems to be a market if they are selling it sans prescription...

I think that *may* be the case with this woman. They said she came to them 12 weeks preggo.. Any other thoughts?

 

[Ellen]

All I got was more confused with CNN. They don''t know anything for sure, though they did say fertilty drugs at first. The expert did seem to think she had some kind of drug, and then was talking about implanting 8 embryos, yet Campbell was talking like they didn''t do an implant. Did anybody else get confused?

In a nutshell, no one knows anything for sure yet. Except the doc, who said this wasn''t how they practice, that it''s bad medicine.

 

[Ellen]

Date: 1/30/2009 8:51:54 PM
Author: Definitely, Maybe
I caught the end (?) about ordering it offline... It makes me wonder how often that is done since there seems to be a market if they are selling it sans prescription...

I think that *may* be the case with this woman. They said she came to them 12 weeks preggo.. Any other thoughts?

I don''t think this type of thing should be available OTC. And if that IS what this woman did, I bet it''s the end of it.

 

[Definitely. Maybe]

Yes! I was so confused the whole time. I thought it was because I missed a part of it. I for sure felt like they kept going back and forth with implanting vs taking fertility drugs. I guess they just needed to use air time...

 

[snlee]

Date: 1/30/2009 8:53:29 PM
Author: Ellen
All I got was more confused with CNN. They don't know anything for sure, though they did say fertilty drugs at first. The expert did seem to think she had some kind of drug, and then was talking about implanting 8 embryos, yet Campbell was talking like they didn't do an implant. Did anybody else get confused?

In a nutshell, no one knows anything for sure yet. Except the doc, who said this wasn't how they practice, that it's bad medicine.

You aren't alone. I got more confused as well.

It's all speculation. I want to hear from the mother and her doctors. CNN said the mother wants her privacy, which I can understand, especially which all these questions and opinions flying around.

 

[Ellen]

Date: 1/30/2009 8:56:20 PM
Author: Definitely, Maybe
Yes! I was so confused the whole time. I thought it was because I missed a part of it. I for sure felt like they kept going back and forth with implanting vs taking fertility drugs. I guess they just needed to use air time...

Thank you, glad it wasn't just me!

Thanks snlee!

 

[Definitely. Maybe]

Date: 1/30/2009 8:55:20 PM
Author: Ellen

Date: 1/30/2009 8:51:54 PM
Author: Definitely, Maybe
I caught the end (?) about ordering it offline... It makes me wonder how often that is done since there seems to be a market if they are selling it sans prescription...

I think that *may* be the case with this woman. They said she came to them 12 weeks preggo.. Any other thoughts?

I don''t think this type of thing should be available OTC. And if that IS what this woman did, I bet it''s the end of it.

I really hope it is the end of it! I did a quick search right after she said it and you can buy it online! That is pretty scary to think about to me.

 

[Definitely. Maybe]

Date: 1/30/2009 8:57:31 PM
Author: snlee

Date: 1/30/2009 8:53:29 PM
Author: Ellen
All I got was more confused with CNN. They don't know anything for sure, though they did say fertilty drugs at first. The expert did seem to think she had some kind of drug, and then was talking about implanting 8 embryos, yet Campbell was talking like they didn't do an implant. Did anybody else get confused?

In a nutshell, no one knows anything for sure yet. Except the doc, who said this wasn't how they practice, that it's bad medicine.

You aren't alone. I got more confused as well.

It's all speculation. I want to her from the mother and her doctors. CNN said the mother wants her privacy, which I can understand, especially which all these questions that are flying around.

I read in an article somewhere (although who knows what's reliable anymore) that the woman gave the doctor (that spoke in the beginning) a note that said she understood that people would be wanting to know more about the babies and in due time she would open up, but now she needed the privacy. something like that. i guess we will just have to see.

 

[snlee]

Date: 1/30/2009 8:58:18 PM
Author: Definitely, Maybe

Date: 1/30/2009 8:55:20 PM
Author: Ellen

Date: 1/30/2009 8:51:54 PM
Author: Definitely, Maybe

I caught the end (?) about ordering it offline... It makes me wonder how often that is done since there seems to be a market if they are selling it sans prescription...

I think that *may* be the case with this woman. They said she came to them 12 weeks preggo.. Any other thoughts?

I don''t think this type of thing should be available OTC. And if that IS what this woman did, I bet it''s the end of it.

I really hope it is the end of it! I did a quick search right after she said it and you can buy it online! That is pretty scary to think about to me.

That''s very scary!

 

[hlmr]

Date: 1/30/2009 5:11:10 PM
Author: innerkitten
regarding the cost of IVF, perhaps she had it done in another country where it''s cheaper? I''ve heard of people going to India and Canada. Or maybe it was clomid or something similar. Doesn''t sound like she had any fertility problems though in the first place though. Which is of the things that makes the story so bizzare.

It is not cheaper in Canada, nor do responsible physicians transplant more than 2 viable embryos/blastocysts for healthy women under 35.

 

[diamondseeker2006]

My understanding is that it is unknown who did the initial implantations. She came to her current doctors already pregnant.

 

[meresal]

WOW??? Thanks for nothing CNN. lol! ABC News had more coverage on the world news at 6.

So they're saying she could have been amping her fertilizations without the knowledge of anyone?? He said it really couldn't have been one type because it wouldn't raise the fertility levels high enough, (pill form maybe??), but if it were the shots that they give fertility patients, then the most he's seen twice is Quads on 2 ocassions. And then no one can answer where in the world 8 embryos came from?? Lots of questions solved...

This whole story is crazy...

I just keep thinking of my sister and wondering, how much she would have paid to have 8 embryos implanted (if she would even do it), just to get pregnant with one child. After 3 yrs of trying, she went thru 3 years of failed attempts with fertility shots and implantation just to end in a failed marriage, then to finally miraculously get pregnant with her new husband and to lose it 3 months later. She wants more than anything to have a child. I just can't understand what would posess a 33 yr old woman to want 14 children? I know the grandfather is saying she only wanted one... but if she was fertile enough to already have 6 children, then there is no way in he** she only wanted 1 child with 8 embryos.

This was a very selfish comment, but right now, I just can't help but think, why her? If this is a doctor in the US, then why was she chosen to have this kind of expirement (the only thing I can call implanting 8 embryos, if that is what happened) tested on her. She already has 6 children.

 

[risingsun]

I can't understand how this woman could even be considered as a candidate for fertilization treatment of any type. Clearly, she is not infertile having had six children, with the youngest being two year old twins. Did no one do a history and physical on her before moving forward? The doctor who did the procedure should be brought up on malpractice charges and the mother of 14 children, under the age of 7 [is it?] needs the services of a therapist. Something is very wrong about this entire situation. As a therapist, I would love to know what was going on in this woman's head

ETA: My dear friend had several attempts at IVF. This was done because she and her husband could not conceive a child. That, to me, would/should be the criteria for this type of treatment.

 

[miraclesrule]

I am going to reserve judgment until more facts are available. As it stands now, the talking heads are speculating and merely want to sensationalize the story.

Rockzilla,

I understand your point. Every situation is unique and must be judged on it''s own merit. There are standards of care that are set forth by the medical establishment. Doctors are free to refuse care to a non-emergency patient, as they should be free to do so. In fact, it is good practice to exercise good judgment when practicing medicine. For instance, not every surgeon should be required to perform a sex change operation merely because a patient wants one. They can offer a referral to an organization that can locate a physician who may consider such a surgery.

We don''t necessary know whether this women had her previous children without benefit of in-vitro or fertility treatments. That would also change the situation.

But on it''s face, with the information received so far, the case is very simply put...Bizarre. Odd. Not Normal. Worthy of further investigation. I can guarantee you one thing. If this women would have died as a result of this pregnancy, there would be a full investigation.

The first rule of medicine is "Do No Harm". I look forward to hearing more about the facts of this case, if we ever have the honor. I think we are breeding common sense out of humanity. The worlds gone craaaazzzzyyyyy.

 

[Ellen]

Here is another article that quotes her mother, briefly, on how, and more importantly, why this happened. The babies mothers friend is also quoted as saying the mother and grandparents would have enough money to raise the children. That's interesting, since she filed for bankruptcy, though it says the case was dropped. I sincerely hope she can afford it, because taxpayers should not have to. This was no accident, among other things. But I really find it hard to believe this family can cope with no financial help.


http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/01/31/nadya-suleman-octuplets-m_n_162756.html

WHITTIER, Calif. — How in the world does a woman with six children get a fertility doctor to help her have more _ eight more?

An ethical debate erupted Friday after it was learned that the Southern California woman who gave birth to octuplets this week had six children already.

Large multiple births "are presented on TV shows as a `Brady Bunch' moment. They're not," fumed Arthur Caplan, bioethics chairman at the University of Pennsylvania. He noted the serious and sometimes lethal complications and crushing medical costs that often come with high-multiple births.