Real People Are Dying / Trump Kills

[mellowyellowgirl]

I have a theory that Dancing Fire's odds of surviving the virus are probably pretty good.

His daughter works in the medical field so his risk is higher. If he were to be struck down it's likely it would have happened already.

I also get why he babysits. I would too. My friend's in laws and 93 yr old grandmother babysit her kids. Their theory is that they'd rather play with the grandkids/great grandkids than live forever. Courses for horses and all that.

 

[Dancing Fire]

And before you act as if contact tracing is a possibility, maybe you should find out if most of the United States can test for covid19. The US Senate couldn't be tested because there weren't enough tests. Doesn't that tell you something?

Not true...

Top Republican urges McConnell and Pelosi to accept rapid virus tests for Congress

"This is not mostly about protecting members of Congress,” Lamar Alexander says. “It is about protecting the people members might infect.”

www.politico.com

 

[Dancing Fire]

I'm pointing out the error of his thinking Queenie. It's fine and dandy that ANYONE has a difference of opinion or lifestyle, although babysitting your grands so your kid can save money isn't a lifestyle, it's a choice, respect others opinions?

Yes, my wife chose to volunteer her time babysitting the grandkids.

 

[Queenie60]

Yes, my wife chose to volunteer her time babysitting the grandkids.

And all power to you and your wife for doing such a wonderful thing. And don't let anyone tell you that you're wrong for doing so. I look forward to those days and certainly respect what you are doing. And this has nothing to do with politics, just human nature.

 

[kenny]

More optional contact between additional people (family or strangers, babysitting beloved grandkids or standing next to some grumpy, unshaven, stinky old man in public) is another opportunity for the deadly virus to covert another human into one of its virus factories.

The virus doesn't give a crap about the reason two humans are close enough to pass on the virus' DNA (heart-warming, or anonymous and random).
It's got nothing to do with politics, just virus nature.

You might say the virus loves it's grand-viruses as much as we love our grandkids.
All life forms want to go on into the future.
All life forms have that in common.
Humans, and viruses et al., are just DNA's way of making more DNA.

We are witnessing a competition between to formidable competitors: COVID-19 DNA vs. Human DNA.
After seeing the demonstrated stupidity of the later, I see no guaranteed winner.

 

[Queenie60]

Additional contact between additional people (family or strangers, babysitting beloved grandkids or standing next to some grumpy old man in public) is another opportunity for the deadly virus to covert another human into one of its virus factories.

It's got nothing to do with politics, just virus nature.

Got it @kenny - however, we are human and with caution, we should be able to see our family. Common sense and caution is certainly necessary however, we need to move on with life and not stay in our homes forever.

 

[Dancing Fire]

Are you saying she HAS to work? What happened to freedom? You said it was everybody's choice whether to go out or not. Are you saying she DOESN'T have a choice?

Had your post made any sense I would reply, but since it doesn't so I won't. @Maria D , I'd have a Q ...how did you became a teacher?

 

[Queenie60]

More optional contact between additional people (family or strangers, babysitting beloved grandkids or standing next to some grumpy, unshaven, stinky old man in public) is another opportunity for the deadly virus to covert another human into one of its virus factories.

The virus doesn't give a crap about the reason two humans are close enough to pass on the virus' DNA (heart-warming, or anonymous and random).
It's got nothing to do with politics, just virus nature.

You might say the virus loves it's grand-viruses as much as we love our grandkids.
All life forms want to go on into the future.
All life forms have that in common.
Humans, and viruses et al., are just DNA's way of making more DNA.

So, we are witnessing a competition: COVID-19 DNA vs. Human DNA.
The best competitor will win.

That's a very negative way of looking at life in my opinion. Wearing masks, gloves and constant sanitizing will help however, life holds no guarantees. We must move on and get on with life in a cautious way. We can't "live in a hole" forever and fear this virus. I must admit, I am afraid of the virus however, I am not afraid of life and am willing to take precautions.

 

[kenny]

The virus doesn't give a crap about sentiment, love, family values, or morality.

It just wants lots of babies and doesn't care who it kills.

 

[Queenie60]

The virus doesn't give a crap about sentiment, love, family values, or morality.

It just wants lots of babies and doesn't care who it kills.

@kenny - you must be in a bad mood tonight. I'll give you a pass on this one. Everyone deserves a pass. Your comments don't phase me as my son has issues and says some of the same sort of morbid comments.

 

[Dancing Fire]

The virus doesn't give a crap about sentiment, love, family values, or morality.

Neither does it care that millions are losing their jobs.

 

[Dancing Fire]

@kenny - you must be in a bad mood tonight. I'll give you a pass on this one. Everyone deserves a pass. Your comments don't phase me as my son has issues and says some of the same sort of morbid comments.

Kenny been in isolation for too long!... He should go relax on a sunny Ca. beach.

 

[Queenie60]

Kenny been in isolation for too long!... He should go relax on a sunny Ca. beach.

DF. I’ll give you a pass!!!

 

[chemgirl]

That's a very negative way of looking at life in my opinion. Wearing masks, gloves and constant sanitizing will help however, life holds no guarantees. We must move on and get on with life in a cautious way. We can't "live in a hole" forever and fear this virus. I must admit, I am afraid of the virus however, I am not afraid of life and am willing to take precautions.

It’s a completely scientifically sound and logical way of looking at life.

Pandemics are generally considered to be a negative thing.

 

[kenny]

That's a very negative way of looking at life in my opinion. Wearing masks, gloves and constant sanitizing will help however, life holds no guarantees. We must move on and get on with life in a cautious way. We can't "live in a hole" forever and fear this virus. I must admit, I am afraid of the virus however, I am not afraid of life and am willing to take precautions.

Putting so-called love before safety is "a very negative way of looking at life in my opinion".

Love your grandkids?
Then lower their risk of getting sick by reducing the number of people you and they have contact with.

Low risk is better than high risk.
Not seeing them till we have a vaccine is better than killing them or making them factories that will kill others, including you.

Keep em safe.
Keep everyone safe.
Socially isolate ... even with immediate family that does not live in your home.
That's real love, rational intelligent love.

Please think well.

 

[Karl_K]

The better answer would be for the grandkids to move in with DF and DD to stay away as much as possible at this time.
While rather blunt, Kenny is right.

 

[mellowyellowgirl]

which state do you live in neighbour ?

New South Wales

Feeling the shame here! We diagnosed 9 new cases yesterday whereas the other states are all at zero new cases with the exception of Victoria.

 

[kenny]

I'm reminded of a lyric from that Paul Simon song, "I Do It for Your Love".
It's perplexed and haunted me since its release in 1975.

"All that winter we shared a cold, drank all the orange juice that we could hold.
I do it for your love"

Fast forward to 0:57 to hear it:

Since 1975 I've always thought that type of so-called love was just stupid.
Yet I also wondered if there was something wrong with me for thinking the opposite of this portrayal of love.

Today, older, I think more clearly and accept myself.
When my SO is sick with a cold he's not allowed in the kitchen and I'm washing my hands and wiping faucets and doorknobs with Isopropyl Alcohol.

Yet I'm well aware I live in a world where many people do think staying physically close to loved ones and sharing contagious illnesses is somehow romantic.
I blame, in part, garbage messages in films, TV, & music.

People vary.
With simple colds I say, let em get each other sick.
But now with COVID-19, their expression of "love" can lead to the death of many others.

 

[House Cat]

That's a very negative way of looking at life in my opinion. Wearing masks, gloves and constant sanitizing will help however, life holds no guarantees. We must move on and get on with life in a cautious way. We can't "live in a hole" forever and fear this virus. I must admit, I am afraid of the virus however, I am not afraid of life and am willing to take precautions.

The death toll that is projected has doubled because we will be getting on with life and leaving our houses. I think this should be a shocking eye opener. My family is going to stay in its hole. The way I see it, the death toll is going to get too high and people will be ordered back into their homes anyway. Why bother leaving the house and putting my vulnerable family members at risk for nothing. We won’t be safe until there is a vaccine.

 

[Maria D]

That's a very negative way of looking at life in my opinion. Wearing masks, gloves and constant sanitizing will help however, life holds no guarantees. We must move on and get on with life in a cautious way. We can't "live in a hole" forever and fear this virus. I must admit, I am afraid of the virus however, I am not afraid of life and am willing to take precautions.

That's what people are doing, getting on with life in a cautious way. There's no "moving on" as if a pandemic is just a bad breakup that one needs to "get over." I don't worry about the virus at all. So far I personally know two people who have died, three who have recovered and two who are currently ill, one of those might not make it. Worrying about it doesn't do anything - I just take precautions when I'm out, stay home as much as possible and try to help others in ways that I can.

There are many people who cannot take the same kind of precautions that the privileged among us (I include myself here) can. They are out there on the front lines and their efforts are what is making our lives everything from bearable to sustainable. When you encourage the notion that this is all about personal freedom, that anyone "scared" can stay home and not mind if people "move on with life" by visiting restaurants, flooding beaches, refusing to wear masks, etc., you are encouraging people to put the lives of the front-liners at higher risk. This position is not only ugly and elitist, it is foolish and dangerous.

 

[Tekate]

@Queenie60 said in black and I reply in red.

You're certainly entitled to your opinion however I would suggest you keep your nasty comments to yourself.

And YOU keep your nasty comments to YOURSELF what goes around comes around AND DF is a big boy, he can speak for himself, stop trying to prop him up, he's an adult.

It's his business that he and his wife babysit their grandchildren.

Then he should NOT denigrate people on assistance, because he's providing assistance to his family, something not EVERYONE has the ability to receive. Like I said, he can answer for himself.

It's his business that he and his wife babysit their grandchildren. It seems to me that your tail feathers went up when he mentioned what a fine grandmother his wife is.

Excuse me but this is a non sequitur and and I really have no idea why you say this other than you are trying to allude to the fact that SOMEHOW??? I was offended by his saying his wife was a good grandmother, frankly I could less if she good, GREAT, Fantastic or sucks.. not my business and DF threw that in to try and divert attention from him.. as I said, it's neither here nor there to me.

I'm sure you're a fine grandmother as well.

Well, according to my son I'm the best Mother and grandmother ever to exjst on this green and blue earth, but again he's my son.. But frankly it has nothing to do with the conversation. I'm a good grandmother but I don't babysit my granddaughter everyday, she goes to daycare which is how I raised my son - to be RESPONSIBLE for HIS life

I just find it unnecessary to be so critical of his choice or lifestyle or whatever you want to call it.

I call it mind your own business and let DF answer, I didn't pick this discussion with you Queenie, I know you are conservative and somehow you think DF is incapable of answering or replying, but let me tell you, he's fine and dandy when it comes to bashing liberals so I'm sure he can hold his own.

If it's cultural then it certainly is a lifestyle.

Do you think that people who come to this country should learn English? learn the American culture? Assimilate? If it's cultural or choice isn't the point anyway.

And I must tell you, I do respect science, education and most certainly have common sense. Who are you to judge?

The same as you obviously, you judged me through your whole little essay on why I have no right to point out to DF where he is hypocritical in his defense of babysitting his grands. Judge and ye shall be judged Queenie which applies to you and DF.

Matthew 7:1-3 King James Version (KJV)

7 Judge not, that ye be not judged.

2 For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again.

3 And why beholdest thou the mote that is in thy brother's eye, but considerest not the beam that is in thine own eye?

 

[Tekate]

Matthew 7:1-3 King James Version (KJV)

7 Judge not, that ye be not judged.

2 For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again.

3 And why beholdest thou the mote that is in thy brother's eye, but considerest not the beam that is in thine own eye?

Today?? The PS liberals been doing it for the past 12 yrs.

 

[Tekate]

That's a very negative way of looking at life in my opinion. Wearing masks, gloves and constant sanitizing will help however, life holds no guarantees. We must move on and get on with life in a cautious way. We can't "live in a hole" forever and fear this virus. I must admit, I am afraid of the virus however, I am not afraid of life and am willing to take precautions.

Oh are you one of the "die for your grandchildren" believers..? Who's living in a hole? Fear or are people cautious? what I read is your saying: "Too bad too sad, I want to live my life and if I infect YOU, tough crap".. precautions may NOT be enough, you are in a store, someone is coughing, someone things it's 'their' right to NOT wear a mask, droplets stay in the air and you walk thru with your mast, the droplets get on your face, you have a good chance of getting Covid19 and passing it to your family and friends etc.

 

[Queenie60]

@Tekate - you enjoy twisting posts around to suit you. Therefore, you win! White flag............ Glad I could make your day. However, I do stand by my comments that it's not nice to bash people and make nasty comments about the way they live just because it doesn't align with your beliefs. And yes, I will go out and about when the need be. And yes, I will wear a mask, sanitize, exercise social distancing and any other way I can stay safe. However, traveling, going to restaurants and any other unnecessary place is a NO. Stay in your house, that's your option, and it's my option to safely go out.

 

[Queenie60]

Oh are you one of the "die for your grandchildren" believers..? Who's living in a hole? Fear or are people cautious? what I read is your saying: "Too bad too sad, I want to live my life and if I infect YOU, tough crap".. precautions may NOT be enough, you are in a store, someone is coughing, someone things it's 'their' right to NOT wear a mask, droplets stay in the air and you walk thru with your mast, the droplets get on your face, you have a good chance of getting Covid19 and passing it to your family and friends etc.

There you go again, twisting my words to align with your thinking. I have never said "tough crap" or anything relating to that attitude. I fear the virus however I am not going to live a paranoid life.

 

[Maria D]

However, traveling, going to restaurants and any other unnecessary place is a NO.

Not according to @Dancing Fire . He says it's none of our business if other people choose to do these things. I thought you were defending his misinformed, elitist, foolish and dangerous opinion. My bad.

 

[Queenie60]

Not according to @Dancing Fire . He says it's none of our business if other people choose to do these things. I thought you were defending his misinformed, elitist, foolish and dangerous opinion. My bad.

No, I don't defend carelessness. However, I feel it's not nice to bash a person due to their lifestyle and to make nasty comments about their family. Beach gatherings, park gatherings, protesting in masses and any other foolish, careless acts I DO NOT APPROVE OF.

 

[nala]

That's what people are doing, getting on with life in a cautious way. There's no "moving on" as if a pandemic is just a bad breakup that one needs to "get over." I don't worry about the virus at all. So far I personally know two people who have died, three who have recovered and two who are currently ill, one of those might not make it. Worrying about it doesn't do anything - I just take precautions when I'm out, stay home as much as possible and try to help others in ways that I can.

There are many people who cannot take the same kind of precautions that the privileged among us (I include myself here) can. They are out there on the front lines and their efforts are what is making our lives everything from bearable to sustainable. When you encourage the notion that this is all about personal freedom, that anyone "scared" can stay home and not mind if people "move on with life" by visiting restaurants, flooding beaches, refusing to wear masks, etc., you are encouraging people to put the lives of the front-liners at higher risk. This position is not only ugly and elitist, it is foolish and dangerous.

I don’t think anyone here has suggested that the thing to do is flood beaches or go to restaurants. Stage 2 in Ca does not even include opening dine in at restaurants and many of us have expressed shock at the fact that beaches are open because people do not wear masks or practice social distancing. Not sure why you assume that even DF is advocating for these actions when all the man has said is that he is willing to continue to support his family’s lifestyle, come what may.
What most of you who are out to crucify those of us who are willing to move to stage 2 have not addressed is contact tracing.There is a thread on that and many are not willing to sacrifice their so- called privacy for as you say, making our lives sustainable. Since you are so ready to shame and guilt and dictate lifestyles and choices for the sake of preventing deaths, please change your platform so that it includes contact tracing—that thread could use your dictates. Also acknowledge that staying holed up may be a luxury to you but it is dangerous to those who are suffering from depression, domestic violence, alcoholism, the inability to get preventative health care. And as a teacher, you should realize that living in a hole is going to increase the learning gap for some of our most at risk students. So, please start guilting and shaming everyone who is not willing to acknowledge that moving on with life is not just about money and cannot be achieved without contact tracing and giving up our beloved privacy.
ETA: @arkieb1 here is the reply you were begging me for. I was finally motivated to repeat myself this morning.

 

[nala]

I'm reminded of a lyric from that Paul Simon song, "I Do It for Your Love".
It's perplexed and haunted me since its release in 1975.

"All that winter we shared a cold, drank all the orange juice that we could hold.
I do it for your love"

Fast forward to 0:57 to hear it:

Since 1975 I've always thought that type of so-called love was just stupid.
Yet I also wondered if there was something wrong with me for thinking the opposite of this portrayal of love.

Today, older, I think more clearly and accept myself.
When my SO is sick with a cold he's not allowed in the kitchen and I'm washing my hands and wiping faucets and doorknobs with Isopropyl Alcohol.

Yet I'm well aware I live in a world where many people do think staying physically close to loved ones and sharing contagious illnesses is somehow romantic.
I blame, in part, garbage messages in films, TV, & music.

People vary.
With simple colds I say, let em get each other sick.
But now with COVID-19, their expression of "love" can lead to the death of many others.

The refusal to participate in contact tracing bc you think it’s creepy or bc you don’t trust the government will also result in more deaths. As long as you continue to shame people for love, I will continue to shame you for your notion of protecting your privacy or your emotion of creepy.

 

[nala]

The better answer would be for the grandkids to move in with DF and DD to stay away as much as possible at this time.
While rather blunt, Kenny is right.

Is kenny also right about saying that contact tracing is creepy and that he won’t participate even if it results in saving lives? The fact that you are all weighing in on DF’s choice but giving Kenny a free pass for the sake of privacy is hypocritical. Have you even asked DF if his daughter is in the front lines? In my county, we have Covid only hospitals and clinics which are sitting mostly unused. Have you asked DF about his county’s stats? Are all you who are dictating edicts over his lifestyle making assumptions based on your experience? Why don’t you guys ask the man before you do that.