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Regular Guy

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OK, one...no...make that two more threads...but BOTH are about trying to ask the question of...how do you put the whole buying process together.

On the one hand...(and both of these solutions are offered by Denver Appraiser/Neil, bless his heart...and for this first one...he''s really the best person on this board to go to for advice to make this work)...most recently....it''s finally been reviewed to my satisfaction that there is no safe harbor, regardless...so for those who would like to be anal, thorough, safe, and protected in the buying process...since even in going to just one vendor who seems to have what you want, since even HE can damage the goods while trying to get it to you...best to a) engage an appraiser at the outset, b) get it insured uniquely in year one at least with Jeweler''s Mutual, and only then c) understand that even if your own jeweler messes it up, you''re https://www.pricescope.com/community/threads/question-for-professional-jewelers.103273/.

Or...also, courtesy of Neil, embedded in a longer post I initiated...of trying to jimmy the system...we''re reminded (in his second post in this thread) that we could also just take a simpler approach, follow these simple instructions:

"1) Find a jeweler that you trust.
2) Tell them what you want.
3) Buy it."

...and then have a nice day.
 

Regular Guy

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Usually, diamonds shoppers want insurance, and there's lots of options for this. Frequently, people will either add a rider to their homeowner's or apartment insurance, or, shoppers can get stand alone insurance.

Most riders are replacement type insurance. For the stand alone type, the most well known, and most frequently listed ones, are Jeweler's Mutual and Chubb, these were listed here in the FAQ section back in 2002, and that information is current even now. For these stand alone insurers, the first is also replacement, and the second is cash out, tending to cost somewhat more...but also possibly providing more options, primarily that of cash in lieu of a replacement diamond ring of like kind.

Since 2004, people have been challenged to actually get Chubb, and the number of threads on this subject is incredible. Possibly whenever you'll read this, you'll have been told by several agents Chubb can't be gotten as a stand alone jewelry policy any longer, but, at least if you've spent at least $10K, you could review this thread from Hangout and understand you probably just haven't talked to the right people yet. Who the right people are may change from time to time, but if experience serves...somebody will offer it. Just don't expect to be told the truth by either a local (to you) agent who otherwise does sell Chubb, or especially, corporate offices for Chubb itself.
 

FB.

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Ring in low light (articifial light from household lightbulbs) - not showing fluorescence:

diamond ring dvs 006c.jpg
 

FB.

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Ring in the middle of a natural-daylight-lit room - no sun coming into the room (slight fluorescence visible):

pear dvs shade3 001d.jpg
 

FB.

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Ring in slightly hazy sunshine - in Britain, mid-August, mid-day, UV index reported to be "medium" on weather websites:

dvs pear in sun 011e.jpg
 

FB.

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...and one more - slightly out of focus, but showing the very deep lavender blue/lilac fluorescence and a few nice flashes of fire:

114 pear d vs1 strong flour 003g.jpg
 

FB.

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Managed to get another picture of it's lovely blue fluorsescence earlier today - again in slightly hazy early afternoon sun. It's only a size H ring and it had to sit on the end of my finger (it's the Mrs' ring, not mine!).

more blue fluor 004b.jpg
 

FB.

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...and one more.....

more blue fluor 003b.jpg
 

chelsea3

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I just read a thread posted on 8/20/09 about how to check the security and workmanship of your ring setting. I found it to be very informative, particularly a link from Wink Jones in which he shows pictures of settings and advises what to look for when examining your diamond in the setting. Well worth the read. Thanks Wink
! Here is the link:

http://winkjones.com/knowledge/Quality_Report.pdf
 

Lorelei

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Excellent visual and explanation from Todd at NiceIce concerning the spread of Princess cut diamonds from this thread.

https://www.pricescope.com/community/threads/help-choosing-a-diamond.138071/page-2

"Round brilliant cut diamonds are essentially measured across the surface of the diamond from North to South and from East to West... Princess cut diamonds are measured the same way, from side to side and in doing so the surface of the diamond appears to be smaller. However if the surface area of a princess cut diamond were measured from tip to tip, rather than side to side, then the measurements would make the diamond seem larger in terms of outside diameter. Here is a graphic from our web site which demonstrates the difference, the diamond measured is a 1.05 carat princess which measures 5.44 x 5.42 mm according to the AGS Diamond Quality Document (DQD) but if measured from tip to tip, the diamond measures 7.60 mm which is about the size of a 1.65 carat round brilliant ideal cut diamond."


 

Lorelei

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Date: 4/7/2010 3:07:33 PM
Author: dreamer_d
A very useful thread with pictures illustrating extreme leakage under the table of a large steep-deep diamond.

https://www.pricescope.com/community/threads/freaking-out-hca-came-back-as-fair.130388/

IS images included in this thread of the same diamond: https://www.pricescope.com/community/threads/got-my-idealscope-pics-of-my-steep-deep-from-freaking-out-hca-fair-thread.133845/
I think lets add this excellent article by John Pollard to this where it might be referenced more easily, it shows leakage to various degrees in photos and other images.

http://journal.pricescope.com/Articles/72/1/Laboratory-Cut-Grades-What-the-report-doesn’t-show.aspx
 
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