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Help me figure out if this diamond is worth 7.8k

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  1. skypie
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    by skypie » Aug 6, 2018
    Just wanted to say the PS vets contributing to this thread have the patience of SAINTS :saint:

    That is all.
     
  2. twang07
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    by twang07 » Aug 6, 2018
    I've asked DK for a quote for a very similar design, pave, 0.18ctw - 0.22ctw so half the size in 14K WG and platinum. The melee was smaller but it was 900, 1050 respectively. This was the inspiration. I think it is worth it to recreate your ideal setting with the proper size melee. At least to do some market research.

    https://www.instagram.com/p/BhRwxzolGI0/?utm_source=ig_share_sheet&igshid=1b8ks1iehieca
    https://www.instagram.com/p/BhR-JlnFuCD/?utm_source=ig_share_sheet&igshid=nzag4ncplbvk

    Food for thought.
     
  3. msop04
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    by msop04 » Aug 6, 2018
    Actually, any stone under 2.0 is worth consideration. There have been many AGS Ideals that were sub-1 on the HCA.
     
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  4. msop04
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    by msop04 » Aug 6, 2018
    I don't like this particular diamond, but to say there is no sparkle or fire in 60/60 type stones is not true. It is true that they will not produce as much fire as a stone with more "ideal" angles, but 60/60 stones with very complimentary angles can still product fire... and TONS of sparkle.

    IGI would be a hard no for me.
     
    


    


  5. msop04
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    by msop04 » Aug 6, 2018
    Okay... I'm not understanding this. Why would you even consider trying to negotiate the price on a subpar setting when you can get a much better quality setting that is virtually the same for less??
     
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  6. Matthews1127
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    by Matthews1127 » Aug 6, 2018
    Welcome to the party, @msop04!!!
    Pull up a chair, and I’ll get you a drink! What’s your fancy? :mrgreen2:
    We’re all trying to wrap our heads around this very question...
     
  7. Yimmers
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    by Yimmers » Aug 6, 2018
    Yes, I thought about that as well. The head is asking to be knocked off. Take it from me, just because it's low doesn't mean you won't knock it around. I had to reset my current diamond into a different setting because I kept knocking it and making the diamond loose. Mind you, it was also set in platinum.

    If she's really set on that setting, maximize the diamond budget, do a cheaper setting, and then get her the setting she wants down the road. You'll be hard pressed to find a diamond in the specs and that is also well cut and not overly included.
     
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  8. Matthews1127
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    by Matthews1127 » Aug 6, 2018
    Pulling up a chair with you.
    Would you care for some popcorn?
     
  9. rockysalamander
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    by rockysalamander » Aug 6, 2018
    I know that he said no flour. But, I was asking why... Why is flour an issue? You get a discount on diamonds with flour and eliminating it reduces options for this already difficult ask. Maybe the issue is education/knowledge. Maybe he hates blue. But, before we take out 1/2-1/3 of the diamonds, I'm looking for information on why this poses an issue. Flour having in impact on the diamond's transparency is very rare and can be determined by a qualified viewer.
     
  10. Yimmers
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    by Yimmers » Aug 6, 2018
    Sounds good, thanks!

    i also baked some blueberry muffins this morning that I can share.
     
    


    


  11. Golden_bird
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    by Golden_bird » Aug 6, 2018
    Make her excited about creating one of the kind piece ! Her own design engagement ring !add the features she likes in different rings ,some personal engravings/hidden your birthday stones ,something really fun and personal . It’s really cool to get a chance to create something with the help of designer !!
     
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  12. Matthews1127
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    Wonderful!! :lol-2:
     
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  13. msop04
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    by msop04 » Aug 6, 2018
    HA! Right??!!
    ...and I'll take a mango margarita, please. ;-)
     
  14. msop04
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    by msop04 » Aug 6, 2018
    I totally agree re fluorescence... the only issue I have with it is that I wish my stone had MORE FLUORO!! I love it!
     
  15. msop04
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    by msop04 » Aug 6, 2018
    This is a very good explanation by @ohsomethingshiny... So many times we have people come here with such regret/remorse after purchasing/overpaying for inferior diamonds and settings. They end up getting something else from more reputable vendor(s). You are very lucky in that you haven't purchased anything yet, so you have the opportunity to get the best bang for your buck AND get a quality diamond and setting -- even for less money than the subpar diamond/setting.

    PS members put a lot of effort into making sure the consumer has the education they need to make the decision that best suits their needs. This is different for each individual buyer, but at the end of the day, we want you to have a quality product and no remorse.
     
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  16. msop04
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    by msop04 » Aug 6, 2018
    OP, you should feel really good about your purchase as well... education will certainly give you that comfort!
     
  17. ez-real
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    by ez-real » Aug 6, 2018
    I agree. She is fine with the stone I posted in the beginning, the one from the store. It's nice size for her, she likes it. I am just trying to find something better because I know that 7.8k for that diamond is overprice (it's I color which she likes, I1 which I believe we can do better, 7.3mm 1.5c, E/VG/E cut, GIA certified, HCA 2.6)
     
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  18. msop04
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    by msop04 » Aug 6, 2018
    @ez-real, this is what is very frustrating for us... MANY posters have given you much better options, but we cannot make you come around if you aren't open to it, much less pull the trigger and purchase any of these suggestions.

    Can you find a better diamond online? - Yep.
    Would you be overpaying on the B&M setting? - ABSOLUTELY.
    Can this setting be made in better quality for less money? - Yes.
    Are you willing to do either of these? - ...that's the real question here, and only you can answer.
     
  19. lovedogs
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    by lovedogs » Aug 6, 2018
    This *10000
     
  20. Matthews1127
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    by Matthews1127 » Aug 6, 2018
    +1...
     
  21. ez-real
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    by ez-real » Aug 6, 2018
    In the last 24 hours ever since I started reading your answers I have offered my gf 5-10 times to switch ring and look at others. Told her we are overpaying. But she likes it. I can't change her mind. Her grandmother used to buy her jewelry from the same store for years and she believes that you can't buy ring online because you have to see it first. I am just trying to improve my luck with the stone. I did contact DK for offer for that same ring as the one she likes. I appreciate all your help but in this case I am not the stubborn or not open minded one, but she is. In the end she will wear it for the rest of her life and if she loves it and insists on it, then I am helpless.
     
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  22. lovedogs
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    by lovedogs » Aug 6, 2018
    Ok, then pick from the diamonds we have linked. You have multiple better options than the one you saw in the store.
     
  23. Matthews1127
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    by Matthews1127 » Aug 6, 2018
    This!! Please!! QUICKLY!!!! Before they disappear!!
     
  24. Gussie
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    by Gussie » Aug 6, 2018
    Can you buy a very similar setting online (better quality and value) and return it if she doesn't like it? Reputable online retailers have return policies that make the purchase risk free.
     
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  25. msop04
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    by msop04 » Aug 6, 2018
    OP, can I make a suggestion to you? Would you be willing to show your FF this thread? I think the main reason for her "stubbornness" is lack of education... and I mean that in the most non-offensive way possible. I think she is against the possibility of a better product because she simply doesn't know any better. Maybe if you made this education available to her, she would feel more empowered to make a better decision. I get what you're saying about her insistence on the B&M ring... and if it's a hard "no" on her part, then you've done your due diligence. We just don't want you both to be in a situation where she ends up finding out how subpar the stone is... or the setting doesn't hold up... that would be an awkward and expensive "I told you so" moment.
     
  26. msop04
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    by msop04 » Aug 6, 2018
    If anything, please buy her diamond online... after all, the setting wouldn't be nearly as expensive to replace, should that be in her future. She'll have the setting she "had to have" but with a nicely cut (and upgradable) diamond.
     
  27. kindred
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    by kindred » Aug 6, 2018
    @ez-real, I thought you put a daimond on hold last night. Have you asked the vendor any questions you have? What is keeping you from purchasing it?
     
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  28. msop04
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    by msop04 » Aug 6, 2018
    I have to disagree with these assumptions about 60/60 type stones... when angles are complimentary, they are very sparkly and do exhibit fire (although not as much as more "ideal" angles)... it's just a little more difficult to find them. We've seen several AGS Ideal stones that are closer to 60/60 than traditional specs for ideal, so I wouldn't scare anyone into thinking 60/60 stones aren't nice diamonds.

    Now... diamonds with "tiny sparkle" and "zero fire" wouldn't be what I'd look for either, but to say that this is true of all 60/60's is misleading and not 100% true. :)

    ETA: I happen to like 60/60 stones (obviously, as 2 of the 3 of mine have been). I've had one that was what some call more of a "flat top" with a lower crown angle than I like. However, my current stone has nice angles and scores excellent in all 4 categories of the HCA. It's no secret it throws blindingly white flashes, but it's not without fire - I see fire all the time, just not as much as with traditional Ideal specs.

    Another thing I love about 60/60's is the SIZE you can achieve. My 3.33 is 9.8 mm, which looks like a 3.6-3.8 ct ideal stone. Lastly, it's my opinion that the extra white flashes helps with the color (looks whiter).
     
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  29. msop04
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    by msop04 » Aug 6, 2018
    Sorry, OP... didn't mean to derail this thread. I just didn't want anyone to have the wrong idea about 60/60's and miss out on an amazing stone that just happens to have those specs. ;-)
     
  30. Matthews1127
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    by Matthews1127 » Aug 6, 2018
    I believe it’s misleading because these comments were made about specific 60/60 stones...not 60/60’s, in general. Not only were they 60/60, but they had flat crown/tables, and were dull in video.
    This was only referencing those specific stones.
    Some 60/60 stones are beautiful, but the other angles have to be complimentary in order for them to produce the scintillation and fire they should, compared to others that have more “ideal” proportions....
     
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