5+ carat lab diamond - thoughts?

[Ibrakeforpossums]

Ha Ha - OMG, you and Kenny! PriceScope wags!

Actually I was thinking of viagra, but most unlikely considering that very feminine hand.

 

[twosanguinehearts]

Ha Ha - OMG, you and Kenny! PriceScope wags!

Actually I was thinking of viagra, but most unlikely considering that very feminine hand.

I’m dead Something is clearly very wrong with me, so I won’t count out any possibilities… haha!

 

[Ibrakeforpossums]

Forgive my remarks. I honestly hope you can see what a fabulous -HUGE- and rare diamond you have, it's truly stunning. But it's your call all the way.

 

[twosanguinehearts]

Forgive my remarks. I honestly hope you can see what a fabulous -HUGE- and rare diamond you have, it's truly stunning. But it's your call all the way.

Are you kidding, that gave me a huge laugh. I appreciate it!!!

 

[Ibrakeforpossums]

Good, good. It's not funny if it's disrespectful.
Walk around with it for a few weeks. I think you'll slap your forehead and say, am I nuts? This is off the charts!

 

[twosanguinehearts]

iPhone light in closet test.

@DejaWiz @Kim N @Ibrakeforpossums
@Karl_K

 

[twosanguinehearts]

iPhone light in closet test.

@DejaWiz @Kim N @Ibrakeforpossums
@Karl_K

This definitely confirms blue nuance right @DejaWiz ?

 

[DejaWiz]

This definitely confirms blue nuance right @DejaWiz ?

Is that picture showing phosphorescent glow after exposure to sunlight or another UV light source?

 

[twosanguinehearts]

Is that picture showing phosphorescent glow after exposure to sunlight or another UV light source?

I just went into a dark closet, shined my iPhone light on it, and then turned off the light so I was in the dark. That’s when I saw the orange glow.

 

[DejaWiz]

I just went into a dark closet, shined my iPhone light on it, and then turned off the light so I was in the dark. That’s when I saw the orange glow.

Orange to red glow (phosphorescence after exposure to light) typically means the presence of boron or a combination of boron and hydrogen or nitrogen. The trace amounts can vary, so it may not even be near enough to cause a visible tint of blue to grayish-blue in normal lighting.

The glow is because boron, acting as the acceptor, causes the glow to happen in the 600-660 nanometer range, which is orange to red in the visible spectrum.

 

[twosanguinehearts]

Orange to red glow (phosphorescence after exposure to light) typically means the presence of boron or a combination of boron and hydrogen or nitrogen. The trace amounts can vary, so it may not even be near enough to cause a visible tint of blue to grayish-blue in normal lighting.

The glow is because boron, acting as the acceptor, causes the glow to happen in the 600-660 nanometer range, which is orange to red in the visible spectrum.

Very interesting. But a diamond with no blue nuance wouldn’t have any boron correct?

 

[DejaWiz]

Very interesting. But a diamond with no blue nuance wouldn’t have any boron correct?

A diamond can have boron, but such a sparse trace of it to not cause any visible tinting.
Would still be classified as a Type IIb, just not an extremely obvious one, like the Hope Diamond.
Any diamond devoid of boron can not be classified as a Type IIb.

 

[twosanguinehearts]

A diamond can have boron, but such a sparse trace of it to not cause any visible tinting.
Would still be classified as a Type IIb, just not an extremely obvious one, like the Hope Diamond.
Any diamond devoid of boron can not be classified as a Type IIb.

Thank you so much for sharing all of your knowledge! I want to make sure this thing is mind clean. It looks great, but I’m still in that confused state of “Do I see blue? Do I see gray?” These could easily all be normal reflections I’d see in a natural stone, but I only have one more week to decide if this is a keeper or a return. The pressure’s on!

 

[DejaWiz]

Thank you so much for sharing all of your knowledge! I want to make sure this thing is mind clean. It looks great, but I’m still in that confused state of “Do I see blue? Do I see gray?” These could easily all be normal reflections I’d see in a natural stone, but I only have one more week to decide if this is a keeper or a return. The pressure’s on!

What did you decide, twosanguinehearts?

 

[twosanguinehearts]

What did you decide, twosanguinehearts?

I sent it back today. After seeing that orange glow I knew it wouldn’t be mind clean for me, and there was no trade in policy so I’d be stuck. Back to the hunt!

 

[DejaWiz]

I sent it back today. After seeing that orange glow I knew it wouldn’t be mind clean for me, and there was no trade in policy so I’d be stuck. Back to the hunt!

Your diamond is out there!

 

[princessk]

That’s too bad but I get it. Plus I so enjoy watching the hunt!

 

[Kim N]

I sent it back today. After seeing that orange glow I knew it wouldn’t be mind clean for me, and there was no trade in policy so I’d be stuck. Back to the hunt!

Sorry this one didn't work out, but I know you'll end up with something spectacular.

 

[Karl_K]

Find a cvd grown diamond without growth issues, that will not have any boron.

 

[Kim N]

Find a cvd grown diamond without growth issues, that will not have any boron.

Alternatively, some HPHT diamonds have reports that explicitly state "Type IIa."

 

[Karl_K]

Alternatively, some HPHT diamonds have reports that explicitly state "Type IIa."

What color range?
Last I checked they were lower colors mostly brown as grown.
However you and @DejaWiz pay more attention to mmd trends than I do.

 

[Kim N]

What color range?
Last I checked they were lower colors mostly brown as grown.
However you and @DejaWiz pay more attention to mmd trends than I do.

The ones I've seen were colorless. A good number of GCAL and a few IGI.

Gem Certification & Assurance Lab

www.gcalusa.com

 

[Karl_K]

The ones I've seen were colorless. A good number of GCAL and a few IGI.

Gem Certification & Assurance Lab

www.gcalusa.com

No comment on if its as grown or hpht post growth treated to drive off the brown.

The reason they add the boron is to make them white as grown more of the time.

It would be really interesting to find out if someone found a way to consistently get white without the boron and without post growth treatment.

 

[ariel144]

Interesting thread. I learned some new things. DejaWiz ...that suggestion of taking the stone in a dark room and shining your phone's flashlight on it to see the fire was very helpful.

And TSH's that glowing orange in the dark is super cool! And that stone was a top performing diamond. Was sad to hear you sent it back since you could see no blue tint. I would assume an earth mined naturally BLUE diamond contains lots of boron, but what do I know. Those lab stones with blue nuance look like "fake" diamonds to a lot of people....even though they are REAL! Now having to go through a similar educational process decades ago about fluorescence causing a blue tint to a real diamond in certain lighting which IMO gives the stone lots of personality and now sought after by some PSr's.

So, Two Sanguine Hearts did you ever find a MRB?

 

[twosanguinehearts]

Interesting thread. I learned some new things. DejaWiz ...that suggestion of taking the stone in a dark room and shining your phone's flashlight on it to see the fire was very helpful.

And TSH's that glowing orange in the dark is super cool! And that stone was a top performing diamond. Was sad to hear you sent it back since you could see no blue tint. I would assume an earth mined naturally BLUE diamond contains lots of boron, but what do I know. Those lab stones with blue nuance look like "fake" diamonds to a lot of people....even though they are REAL! Now having to go through a similar educational process decades ago about fluorescence causing a blue tint to a real diamond in certain lighting which IMO gives the stone lots of personality and now sought after by some PSr's.

So, Two Sanguine Hearts did you ever find a MRB?

Not yet! I did suspect some faint blue/gray undertones in the one I returned. I believe that I will be able to find another great cut since the growers are likely less worried about the waste factor. Keep your fingers crossed for me!!

 

[DejaWiz]

Not yet! I did suspect some faint blue/gray undertones in the one I returned. I believe that I will be able to find another great cut since the growers are likely less worried about the waste factor. Keep your fingers crossed for me!!

Have you had any adjustments to your budget or any other criteria as you continue your hunt?

 

[DejaWiz]

Bad angle on the photo, but this one looks to have great proportions... challenging to tell if it has boron in the mix.

In budget?

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[twosanguinehearts]

Bad angle on the photo, but this one looks to have great proportions... challenging to tell if it has boron in the mix.

In budget?

diamond-GL-00060361UK | Frank Darling

Sustainably grown lab diamonds and conflict-free natural diamonds. Shop competitively priced GIA diamonds in every shape, from emerald cut to round brilliant.

frankdarling.com

Oh WOW loving these numbers!!! What a great find! I was hoping to spend less but this one looks like it deserves a good think. Thank you so much and will keep you updated!!!!

 

[DejaWiz]

Oh WOW loving these numbers!!! What a great find! I was hoping to spend less but this one looks like it deserves a good think. Thank you so much and will keep you updated!!!!

It's going to be an iffy one, as I see it. The lighting in the photo shoot makes it appear somewhat grayish-blue, and that's what I'm wrestling with: is it a Type IIb or not?
Wish the lighting and view angle was better.

 

[twosanguinehearts]

It's going to be an iffy one, as I see it. The lighting in the photo shoot makes it appear somewhat grayish-blue, and that's what I'm wrestling with: is it a Type IIb or not?
Wish the lighting and view angle was better.

I reached out for more info so hopefully they can help determine!!