5+ carat lab diamond - thoughts?

[DejaWiz]

Forgot to tag - if you have a moment to weigh in!! @DejaWiz @Kim N

It looks great in the photos that you posted, but I can't get the video to load from the web page.
Do you happen to have a direct link to the video?

 

[Kim N]

Forgot to tag - if you have a moment to weigh in!! @DejaWiz @Kim N

I see no blue nuance in the photos or video, and the diamond looks beautiful in the video. What are the crown and pavilion angles? I couldn't see the report.

Can you try a different browser, DejaWiz? I managed to get it to load after trying a couple.

 

[twosanguinehearts]

I see no blue nuance in the photos or video, and the diamond looks beautiful in the video. What are the crown and pavilion angles? I couldn't see the report.

Can you try a different browser, DejaWiz? I managed to get it to load after trying a couple.

Thank you so much for weighing in!! Here’s the HCA report - I think the numbers seem great?! I’m just so paranoid about blue nuance now that I may be seeing things that might not exist.

@DejaWiz I will see if I can get higher res - I actually just found this video on a different vendor’s site than the one I’m working with (who sent me the low res version posted earlier).

 

[DejaWiz]

@twosanguinehearts I got the video to load on my workstation's browser!

I see ZERO evidence of blue nuance!

 

[twosanguinehearts]

@twosanguinehearts I got the video to load on my workstation's browser!

I see ZERO evidence of blue nuance!

Thank you!!! I appreciate this so much. I will post some pics and videos when I have it!!!

 

[Kim N]

Thank you so much for weighing in!! Here’s the HCA report - I think the numbers seem great?! I’m just so paranoid about blue nuance now that I may be seeing things that might not exist.

@DejaWiz I will see if I can get higher res - I actually just found this video on a different vendor’s site than the one I’m working with (who sent me the low res version posted earlier).

The numbers are awesome! Do you have an ASET scope that you can use on it when you receive it? Two honkin' diamonds! I'm so envious!

 

[twosanguinehearts]

The numbers are awesome! Do you have an ASET scope that you can use on it when you receive it? Two honkin' diamonds! I'm so envious!

Fingers crossed!!! I don’t have one but want to buy one. Is David Atlas the only person who sells these?? I did get a diamond tester to whether or not it tests as moissy…will be very interesting to see!

 

[DejaWiz]

Thank you!!! I appreciate this so much. I will post some pics and videos when I have it!!!

Hold up on my earlier comment - I just viewed it on my other computer with the even better monitor.
I can no longer say with confidence that this one doesn't have blue nuance.
After comparing it to a few larger carat (over 5ct) D color LGDs on the Brilliance website to view the slightly differing backgrounds and lighting conditions of the videos, it seems to have a grayish undertone and I think I am now seeing traces of light blue out towards the girdle edges.

 

[DejaWiz]

Compare it to this one below which definitely has BN and let me know what you think - I am very much so on the fence with this one.
Also calling in @Kim N - what do you see?

4.85 Carat F SI1 Round Brilliant Lab Grown Diamond IGI Certified 517202995 Affinity Cut - D50135998

4.85 carat, Round, F Color, SI1 clarity, IGI Certified Diamond, Affinity Cut Lab Grown Diamond, D50135998

www.adiamor.com

 

[Kim N]

Fingers crossed!!! I don’t have one but want to buy one. Is David Atlas the only person who sells these?? I did get a diamond tester to whether or not it tests as moissy…will be very interesting to see!

AGS also sells it. It's where I got mine.

Handheld ASET®

The handheld ASET is easy to use on loose or mounted diamonds, and is convenient for travel. Learn more at AmericanGemSociety.org.

www.americangemsociety.org

 

[Kim N]

Compare it to this one below which definitely has BN and let me know what you think - I am very much so on the fence with this one.
Also calling in @Kim N - what do you see?

4.85 Carat F SI1 Round Brilliant Lab Grown Diamond IGI Certified 517202995 Affinity Cut - D50135998

4.85 carat, Round, F Color, SI1 clarity, IGI Certified Diamond, Affinity Cut Lab Grown Diamond, D50135998

www.adiamor.com

I'm leaning towards no blue nuance after comparing it to the 4.85. Here's the other side of the profile. I don't think I see traces of blue at the edges, but given the background and lighting, I could be persuaded otherwise. It also looked good against the white paper.

 

[DejaWiz]

Thank you for taking another look, @Kim N .

My concern is the usual tell-tale signs of it, circled below.

 

[Kim N]

Thank you for taking another look, @Kim N .

My concern is the usual tell-tale signs of it, circled below.

I see what you mean, but I could be convinced that's just the lighting. Adiamor has a number of stones with lighting that's more blue, and I often have trouble separating the lighting from actual blue nuance. This one might be best viewed in person to be certain.

 

[DejaWiz]

I see what you mean, but I could be convinced that's just the lighting. Adiamor has a number of stones with lighting that's more blue, and I often have trouble separating the lighting from actual blue nuance. This one might be best viewed in person to be certain.

That's exactly why I'm now on the fence about it: the difference in photography conditions is making it very difficult.
@twosanguinehearts if you end up ordering this one (and I hope that you still may), be prepared for the possibility of a return/refund if it does have a touch of BN and you find it unappealing in certain lighting conditions.
Sorry that I'm going all ping-pong about it...I just want to make sure that you get a bona fide non-BN diamond!

 

[Karl_K]

Thank you for taking another look, @Kim N .

My concern is the usual tell-tale signs of it, circled below.

someone was wearing a blue shirt.
If you dont want to judge it oneself during a return period ask the vendor for a person looking at the stone opinion and if they cant then find someone who can.

 

[twosanguinehearts]

Oof this is the uncertainty that makes me hesitate with lab grown! I’ll post pics and videos when it’s in front of me - but the way my brain works there needs to be no doubt. I’ll always wonder if I’m seeing blue.

 

[Karl_K]

I dont have a blue diamond material model so used yellow plus what someone wearing a blue shirt could look like:
yellow colored diamond

yellow shirt

blue shirt

But the difference can be more subtle than this which is why I my opinion that eyeballs looking at the stone are the only way to know for sure.

 

[twosanguinehearts]

That's exactly why I'm now on the fence about it: the difference in photography conditions is making it very difficult.
@twosanguinehearts if you end up ordering this one (and I hope that you still may), be prepared for the possibility of a return/refund if it does have a touch of BN and you find it unappealing in certain lighting conditions.
Sorry that I'm going all ping-pong about it...I just want to make sure that you get a bona fide non-BN diamond!

No please don’t apologize, it’s so helpful to get these opinions because you all have the ability to spot potential problems! It makes me feel so much better knowing what I might be getting into!! I’m still going to try it but let’s see how it goes!!

 

[Karl_K]

Oof this is the uncertainty that makes me hesitate with lab grown! I’ll post pics and videos when it’s in front of me - but the way my brain works there needs to be no doubt. I’ll always wonder if I’m seeing blue.

What I worry about is someone going into a blue room, outdoors with a blue sky or wear a blue shirt and freak themselves out about it.

 

[twosanguinehearts]

I dont have a blue diamond material model so used yellow plus what someone wearing a blue shirt could look like:
yellow colored diamond

yellow shirt

blue shirt

But the difference can be more subtle than this which is why I my opinion that eyeballs looking at the stone are the only way to know for sure.

This is really interesting and a very good point. I’ve often wondered how much of the environment we’re seeing in these vendor videos - and this example definitely shows how that may skew our perception.

 

[DejaWiz]

I dont have a blue diamond material model so used yellow plus what someone wearing a blue shirt could look like:
yellow colored diamond

yellow shirt

blue shirt

But the difference can be more subtle than this which is why I my opinion that eyeballs looking at the stone are the only way to know for sure.

Thank you for these examples, Karl.
This is exactly why I'm having a hard time with this one...it could be a IIb or it could be environmental, but impossible to conclude without actually seeing it (ideally, seeing it pavilion-up in a grading tray under diffused lighting).

 

[twosanguinehearts]

Ok it’s here and it’s a stunna - clearly well cut and sparkly - but I still can’t tell re: any blue nuance. Like occasionally I feel like I may see a slight blue hue, but to @Karl_K point I don’t know if there is reflection from my window, etc. I’m also having trouble catching the moments I may or may not see blue on camera. I purchased a diamond tester but only realized later that it doesn’t differentiate between diamond and moissanite…so that’s not helping me get to the bottom of this either. Here are some pics and videos, including one out in the sunlight and also compared to my two natural diamonds. Would love any thoughts or suggestions!!! @DejaWiz @Kim N

Video One

Video Two

Video Three

 

[Kim N]

Ok it’s here and it’s a stunna - clearly well cut and sparkly - but I still can’t tell re: any blue nuance. Like occasionally I feel like I may see a slight blue hue, but to @Karl_K point I don’t know if there is reflection from my window, etc. I’m also having trouble catching the moments I may or may not see blue on camera. I purchased a diamond tester but only realized later that it doesn’t differentiate between diamond and moissanite…so that’s not helping me get to the bottom of this either. Here are some pics and videos, including one out in the sunlight and also compared to my two natural diamonds. Would love any thoughts or suggestions!!! @DejaWiz @Kim N

Video One

Video Two

Video Three

Well, I think it's gorgeous! It's performing beautifully, lots of scintillation and fire. I see no blue nuance in your videos and photos. Can you do your own white paper test, looking at it from the side?

 

[Karl_K]

If your having that much trouble seeing any blue it sounds extremely unlikely it has an issue but will the stone ever be mind clean to you, would any mmd?

 

[DejaWiz]

Absolutely beautiful, twosanguinehearts!

I believe this is what the ISS astronauts see when you step outside with it.

 

[twosanguinehearts]

If your having that much trouble seeing any blue it sounds extremely unlikely it has an issue but will the stone ever be mind clean to you, would any mmd?

This is the exact question I’ve been asking myself re: mmd. Definitely something to think about, though I don’t think I see myself purchasing a natural modern-cut stone at this stage…so I’ve got to get over it!!

 

[twosanguinehearts]

Absolutely beautiful, twosanguinehearts!

I believe this is what the ISS astronauts see when you step outside with it.

I definitely cannot complain about this cut!!! It’s also an F color and it’s so bright white which I was relieved about!

 

[DejaWiz]

I definitely cannot complain about this cut!!! It’s also an F color and it’s so bright white which I was relieved about!

Glad to hear it - your new diamond is truly a stunner!

 

[Ibrakeforpossums]

Okay, man on the street here. I think vid # 2 is very good lighting for evaluating color and I see zero blue. I'm trying to imagine that diamond without any blue nuance and I can't because there is none.
Are you on any meds that could cause you to see blue?

 

[DejaWiz]

Okay, man on the street here. I think vid # 2 is very good lighting for evaluating color and I see zero blue. I'm trying to imagine that diamond without any blue nuance and I can't because there is none.
Are you on any meds that could cause you to see blue?

iblueprofen?