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elizat said:
They already shipped it back. I got the refund notice and the return shipment to seller all at once.

I probably shouldn't spend right now anyway, so I guess the universe wanted to help me?
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it was probably something significantly wrong, maybe lab listed as natural? They reject synthetic stones listed as natural automatically.
If it's minor or better, they give you a choice of accepting it. I got a beautiful tassel pendant that was listed as 14k art deco. They noted that it is slightly incorrect. When I called them, they said it tested 22k and they recommended accepting it lol. It's a Victorian.
 
RRfromR said:
it was probably something significantly wrong, maybe lab listed as natural? They reject synthetic stones listed as natural automatically.
If it's minor or better, they give you a choice of accepting it. I got a beautiful tassel pendant that was listed as 14k art deco. They noted that it is slightly incorrect. When I called them, they said it tested 22k and they recommended accepting it lol. It's a Victorian.
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Hard to imagine a tinted and wonky old cut stone was lab, but I could see it being off color or clarity by many many grades.
 
newtojewels said:
Someone NEEDS to buy this. Leon Mege Lotus setting with a 1.095 carat F/VS1 ACA for $6499, size 7.5:

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$19.5k Leon Mege Lux 1 Of A Kind Platinum Lotus Halo Ring, VS1, F Color, Natural | eBay

He pioneered the micro-pave style ring, which is featured in this ring. This ring titled “Platinum Lotus Halo” is a gorgeous take on a traditional halo. It is subtly shaped like a lotus. The center diamond is a hearts and arrows cut round stone.
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OMG this was my absolutely dream setting about 10 yrs ago. I think his old pictures of it looked much nicer, or at least the way I remember it in my head ... not sure if they still exist somewhere on the interwebs.
 
lavenderdragonfly23 said:
Art Deco Tiffany mount for a 6ct moval/fat oval anyone?

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Tiffany & Co 0.60 Carat Crisscut Cut G VS Diamond Platinum Semi Mount Ring

Designer: Tiffany & Co Title: Tiffany & Co 0.60 Carat Crisscut Cut G VS Diamond Platinum Semi Mount Ring Style: Semi Mount Metal: Platinum Gemstone 1: 0.6 Carat Diamond Number of Stones: 14 Color: G Clarity: VS Shape: Crisscut Cut Size: 6 Center Stone Holding Dimension: 17.29*10.20 MM about 6ct...
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If only I had a 6 ct stone to put in it
 
RRfromR said:
it was probably something significantly wrong, maybe lab listed as natural? They reject synthetic stones listed as natural automatically.
If it's minor or better, they give you a choice of accepting it. I got a beautiful tassel pendant that was listed as 14k art deco. They noted that it is slightly incorrect. When I called them, they said it tested 22k and they recommended accepting it lol. It's a Victorian.
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They don’t consistently do this. I had a similar issue with metal content and it was auto rejected with no chance to accept or deny. As usual, eBay is consistently inconsistent.
 
K9 said:
They don’t consistently do this. I had a similar issue with metal content and it was auto rejected with no chance to accept or deny. As usual, eBay is consistently inconsistent.
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I was coming here to say the exact same! There really seems to be no rhyme or reason to when they decide to give the customer the option to keep it versus outright rejecting.
 
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newtojewels said:
Someone NEEDS to buy this. Leon Mege Lotus setting with a 1.095 carat F/VS1 ACA for $6499, size 7.5:

www.ebay.com

$19.5k Leon Mege Lux 1 Of A Kind Platinum Lotus Halo Ring, VS1, F Color, Natural | eBay

He pioneered the micro-pave style ring, which is featured in this ring. This ring titled “Platinum Lotus Halo” is a gorgeous take on a traditional halo. It is subtly shaped like a lotus. The center diamond is a hearts and arrows cut round stone.
www.ebay.com

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The seller ended it due to ‘listing error’ not that long after.
Interesting.
 
Dreamer_D said:
Hard to imagine a tinted and wonky old cut stone was lab, but I could see it being off color or clarity by many many grades.
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What stone are we referring to? I’m very curious to see it.
 
lulu_ma said:
This price does not look accurate...
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That’s what I thought! Ridiculous price but I’ve been out of the game a bit.
 
Dreamer_D said:
Hard to imagine a tinted and wonky old cut stone was lab, but I could see it being off color or clarity by many many grades.
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I wonder if the sellers 75% rating has something to do with no option to keep it with eBay authenticating it differently than listed, that others have had the option to do?
I do think the color and clarity was off both by multiples
I do see why you liked it, it was pretty @elizat
 
YadaYadaYada said:
Maybe! I am not good with distinguishing old square/step cuts apart but it’s cool whatever it is .
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It’s so hard to differentiate between old square cuts… I feel like most of the time back then they just kept the rough as big as possible without a rhyme or reason, lol! It’s so cool though! I find it amazing that pieces like this are still around and haven’t been lost or taken apart. My favorite type of historic art - finger art … :lol:
 
On the topic of ebay's random authentication practices: In the past, when I bought an item that passed authentication, ebay sent me a card with a QR code that led to a list of characteristics they tested and how they came out. That's how I learned that the pair of purple sapphires in a ring I bought for the setting were natural, not synthetic as the listing had claimed, for example.

This time, the QR code led to this exquisitely informative page:

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Like, are you not going to tell me what the metal content actually tested as? What carat weight the GIA folks calculated the stones to be? Anything about color and clarity? Any details at all? Guess not. Thanks, ebay!
 
glitterata said:
On the topic of ebay's random authentication practices: In the past, when I bought an item that passed authentication, ebay sent me a card with a QR code that led to a list of characteristics they tested and how they came out. That's how I learned that the pair of purple sapphires in a ring I bought for the setting were natural, not synthetic as the listing had claimed, for example.

This time, the QR code led to this exquisitely informative page:

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Like, are you not going to tell me what the metal content actually tested as? What carat weight the GIA folks calculated the stones to be? Anything about color and clarity? Any details at all? Guess not. Thanks, ebay!
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Yay for it being a natural sapphire! I wish they would include the GIA report for you!
 
glitterata said:
On the topic of ebay's random authentication practices: In the past, when I bought an item that passed authentication, ebay sent me a card with a QR code that led to a list of characteristics they tested and how they came out. That's how I learned that the pair of purple sapphires in a ring I bought for the setting were natural, not synthetic as the listing had claimed, for example.

This time, the QR code led to this exquisitely informative page:

FAA5E0AD-E8B2-41B7-96D7-3F3507BF0909_1_102_o.jpeg

Like, are you not going to tell me what the metal content actually tested as? What carat weight the GIA folks calculated the stones to be? Anything about color and clarity? Any details at all? Guess not. Thanks, ebay!
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Wow that is always how mine have been. Your item has been authenticated - end of story. That is cool that at first yours had more details! I wonder if it's because now, they have so many items flooding their offices. When the program was first introduced, it was random.
 
Love this two stone ring. It looks pristine. Good value overall for the piece (it’s not for components!)

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1.46 cts ttw Old European Diamond Art Deco Platinum North South Ring | eBay

Find many great new & used options and get the best deals for 1.46 cts ttw Old European Diamond Art Deco Platinum North South Ring at the best online prices at eBay! Free shipping for many products!
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glitterata said:
On the topic of ebay's random authentication practices: In the past, when I bought an item that passed authentication, ebay sent me a card with a QR code that led to a list of characteristics they tested and how they came out. That's how I learned that the pair of purple sapphires in a ring I bought for the setting were natural, not synthetic as the listing had claimed, for example.

This time, the QR code led to this exquisitely informative page:

FAA5E0AD-E8B2-41B7-96D7-3F3507BF0909_1_102_o.jpeg

Like, are you not going to tell me what the metal content actually tested as? What carat weight the GIA folks calculated the stones to be? Anything about color and clarity? Any details at all? Guess not. Thanks, ebay!
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I had a funny thing happen the other day. I won an EBay auction and it was sent to be authenticated. I got an email saying it failed because even though the listing said it was platinum, and it tested that way, that the stamp was wrong. I was asked if I wanted to go though with the sale. I wasn't home and only had my phone, so I said no thinking something must be off. The sale was cancelled. The next day when I got home and pulled it up on my computer to look closely at the stamp. It said platinum! The stamp was kind of crooked, but to me, clearly platinum. I have no idea what they saw that perhaps wasn't in the photos. So just weird.
 
autumngems said:
If only I had a 6 ct stone to put in it
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Curious what you all think of the price. I don’t have any “luxury brand” jewelry so $5K for a setting seems ridiculous, but if it is spot on for a Tiffany please let me know.
 
kgizo said:
Curious what you all think of the price. I don’t have any “luxury brand” jewelry so $5K for a setting seems ridiculous, but if it is spot on for a Tiffany please let me know.
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The problem is, name-brand jewelry loses value when it's substantially modified, such as by replacing the center stone. So you'd be paying a Tiffany premium for something that wouldn't exactly be considered a Tiffany ring. If you wanted to sell it, you would either have to disclose that the center stone is a replacement, or you would be misleading the buyer.

On the other hand, it's an exquisitely made setting, as one would expect from Tiffany in that era, and it might well cost $5K or more to duplicate it. So if you had a stone that fit and wanted a setting that looked like that, it could be a good choice.

Or if you wanted to go around telling people your ring was an antique Tiffany, this would be a way to do that plausibly (though not completely truthfully) for much less than a fully original would cost you.
 
Very helpful explanation, thank you!

glitterata said:
The problem is, name-brand jewelry loses value when it's substantially modified, such as by replacing the center stone. So you'd be paying a Tiffany premium for something that wouldn't exactly be considered a Tiffany ring. If you wanted to sell it, you would either have to disclose that the center stone is a replacement, or you would be misleading the buyer.

On the other hand, it's an exquisitely made setting, as one would expect from Tiffany in that era, and it might well cost $5K or more to duplicate it. So if you had a stone that fit and wanted a setting that looked like that, it could be a good choice.

Or if you wanted to go around telling people your ring was an antique Tiffany, this would be a way to do that plausibly (though not completely truthfully) for much less than a fully original would cost you.
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kgizo said:
Curious what you all think of the price. I don’t have any “luxury brand” jewelry so $5K for a setting seems ridiculous, but if it is spot on for a Tiffany please let me know.
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I personally view antique Tiffany pieces in an entirely different category as modern Tiffany. I don’t seek out these pieces because they are marked Tiffany. I look for them because the talent Tiffany’s jewelers had in the early 1900’s was incredible. Tiffany had the ability to compensate their jewelers - and because of this, attracted some of the most talented artists. Their metal work is unlike anything I have ever seen. They were more concerned with presenting their level of skill through their work than pumping out pieces to increase production. They were true masters of their trade and focused on creating incredible pieces one at a time. Several artists that used to work for T, left and started their own business… Marcus and Co being one of them, I look for their earlier pieces too… absolutely beautiful. Metal work like this is very much a lost art. There are a couple jewelers around today that could pull something like this off, but they are few and far between, the price would be close to $5k, likely more, and you loose my favorite piece… the feeling that comes with owning an original piece.

I look at them as one does a painting. Irreplaceable.

Would I pay $5k for this setting and have something cut to fit? If it spoke to me, absolutely. I can tell you this, if I ever come across an antique Tiffany setting that Flora fits in, I won’t be sharing it until she’s redressed lol!

I will also say, Fred of 47J is very kind and wonderful to work with. I met with him over Christmas and wouldn’t hesitate to buy from him.
 
I agree that the value of an antique Tiffany is as a piece of artistic history. Certainly it would cost similar to replicate today but then it would not be a piece of history either!
 
I agree with @lavenderdragonfly23 and @Dreamer_D that an antique Tiffany setting is an exquisite thing, a piece of history, and not at all the same as a new setting, even a very well-made new setting. That setting might very well be worth $5K to some jewelry collectors for its design, workmanship, and history.

I also think that there's a significant difference in value and history between an intact antique Tiffany item and an antique Tiffany setting with a new stone set in it.
 
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