How much did each watch cost? If my $100 watch devalues 70% to $30– no biggie. If my $10000 watch devalues to $3000 that’s a significant loss and a huge opportunity cost in regards to other investments.
Excellent analysis and example VK.
You guys remember how moissanite used to look when they first started selling them, right? Yucky brown green tint and the double refraction was so obvious you knew something was off. Even the 6mm ones were blurry. They've made huge improvements over the decades, but in old cuts (which I prefer), they can still look blurry and appear dirty much faster than a diamond. I have some and they just don't look the same as my diamonds of the same cut/size, especially after a few hand washes. The bigger the stone the more obvious, and my diamonds def sparkle more. This is why I cannot wait for lab diamonds to get wayyyy cheaper and bigger.
So you are saying that you bet that when couples get wealthier they will probably want to change their lab diamond into a mined diamond? Are you telling us that a lab diamond will be less desirable than a mined diamond when we get older and richer?
Much like flowers grown in a greenhouse, they are as real as diamonds pulled from the earth.Somebody made this great analogy between IVF Babies and “normally” conceived babies and mmd and mined diamonds. In the end both are human and both are a diamond. The biggest difference is in the way they were produced. But you would never dare to say that an IVF baby is less valuable or desirable than a normally conceived baby?
This is true.Somebody made this great analogy between IVF Babies and “normally” conceived babies and mmd and mined diamonds. In the end both are human and both are a diamond. The biggest difference is in the way they were produced. But you would never dare to say that an IVF baby is less valuable or desirable than a normally conceived baby?
Haha this might be stretching it a bit...I wouldn't call her ancient at all
Problem with synthetic gems is they just don't look the same as natural ones. I'd love a huge and cheap velvety lab blue sapphire and ruby, but even the best rough don't have that velvety appearance and richness (not monetary, but color depth). I only own one small pink lightbox pair so I haven't compared the bigger white lab ones, but newer lab diamond are looking pretty good from what I've seen online. . As production ramps up and technology improves, it will get cheaper. I would honestly sell my natural 4ct asscher to get a 7ct lab if it's like $5k, haha. Asschers face up so small I have DSS.
This is true.
Haha this might be stretching it a bit...I wouldn't call her ancient at all
And she said her OEC was too large for her lifestyle and unless she comes here to say differently I would take her at her word. Her OEC was gorgeous indeed and her Octavia MMD from Yoram is also stunning. IMO she couldn't go wrong with either option.
I don't want to call any names out but it would be amazing if that PSer wanted to start a thread with her Yoram Octavia. So gorgeous.
But of course it comes down to personal preference always. And as always, IMO, there is no right or wrong when it comes to beautiful jewelry. It is what makes one's heart beat a bit faster and certainly there is no one size fits all. Mined diamonds vs MMDs vs fill in the blank.
I am excited about all the possibilities that come with MMD. I am watching this space and looking forward to seeing what develops and how it progresses. Like FK I am waiting to see how cutting "old cut" MMDs improve over time
Just want to add one thing. Anything by Yoram, is, IMO, a masterpiece and I would be thrilled to own anything he creates. Seriously.
So I’m at the preliminary investigation of MMDs in general. But what I’ve seen so far is very different for MRB MMDs vs Old cut MMDs with the latter being much more costly.
Yes. Agree on all points. Would love to hear her perspective. She has amazing tasteI meant ancient in a very respectful way, like everybody who’s been around for more than 5 years and has been helping this community
And I also didn’t mean she didn’t like her mined diamond. I just was happy to think of an real life pricescope example , of actually trading in a mined diamond for a mmd - and I think she is just as happy with the mmd as with the mined diamond? Actually It would be really great to hear from her how she feels about that trade between mined and mmd. And if it was mindclean for her?
I totally agree owning a stone cut by Yoram is such a privilege!
Here a two year old OEC example from parksfinegroup
and I’d enjoy hearing her viewpoint having owned both.
I have no desire to convert you or anyone from your choices Lessic.So you are saying that you bet that when couples get wealthier they will probably want to change their lab diamond into a mined diamond? Are you telling us that a lab diamond will be less desirable than a mined diamond when we get older and richer?
I bet that there will be those who will switch to a mined diamond, but just as many who won’t buy anymore diamonds or another lab diamond
Even ancient Pricescope members are dipping there toes into lab diamond territory. One pricescoper sold her mined 4ct OEC and bought a 2ct Octavia MMD from Yoram.
Somebody made this great analogy between IVF Babies and “normally” conceived babies and mmd and mined diamonds. In the end both are human and both are a diamond. The biggest difference is in the way they were produced. But you would never dare to say that an IVF baby is less valuable or desirable than a normally conceived baby?
The only difference for me between mmd and mined diamonds at the end of the day is intrinsic and emotional. And yes I know mmd have different kind of inclusions than mined diamonds. But also mined diamonds don’t have all the same inclusions. And argyle rough is harder to cut then other mined rough. There are very very ugly lab diamonds but there are also a fee ugly mined diamonds. It’s all a spectrum.
I’m a total diamond noob in comparison to you @Garry H (Cut Nut) . So maybe you could enlighten me what the big difference is between mmd and mined diamonds? What makes mined diamonds more desirable at this point for the average consumer (not talking about the 10mio< collector pieces).
I dunno, I haven't followed pricing because it'll get lower in the next few years, just like computers. I jumped on the lightbox bandwagon when everyone was getting the pink 1ctw studs, lol, bad influences here. Their 10k martini setting sucked so I spent a bunch remounting them into beaded 14k yg bezels.
Looking now and it seems ~4ct lab is still about $6500 on Diamond Foundry, so a 7ct for 4.2k USD would be fantastic. Even better if they're 3k each. I'll take 5 for a giant bangle!
Are they really? that's a bummer. It's not like they use up that much more rough.
Yeah. Like you I hope with time prices will go down and cutting perfected for old cuts. Right now I’m not sure old cut MMDs are there yet in terms of comparable to mined old cuts.
There are synthetic sapphire/ruby/emerald that fool the best of the best, this idea that all synthetics 'look synthetic' is a misconception.
Give me some time and I’ll help you with this goal by buying up your collectionI dunno, I haven't followed pricing because it'll get lower in the next few years, just like computers. I jumped on the lightbox bandwagon when everyone was getting the pink 1ctw studs, lol, bad influences here. Their 10k martini setting sucked so I spent a bunch remounting them into beaded 14k yg bezels.
Re: synthetic gems, synthetic sapphire color may be "too good to be real", but it still lacks the depth and richness. Is it from the microscopic silk? Whatever causes the richness, it needs it. I've looked at the high quality hydrothermal ones and while the color is fantastic, they're crystal clear and don't have the velvety look. But that's only sapphires, I haven't looked at other synthetic gems. Synthetic rubies still have a long ways to go, they all look super fake right now. Or maybe they've gotten much better over the last year and I need a refresher course.
This sounds so morbid, but the older I get the more I want to sell everything and get lab copies. This way i don't have all that money tied up and can still have pretty sparklies to play with, and upon my demise it wont all end up on ebay. Not like I wear anything out anyway, they just sit on my table and keep me company when I work so who cares if they're natural.
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This includes me!
Just split your brand into 2 different brands like Forevermark ( De Beers) and Light Box. One brand is for the high end jewellery and the other is for "costume jewellery". They are 2 different market segments!
Haha. I’m glad to hear that I’m not the only one working on my laptop with a pair of earring next to it and not on my ears.I dunno, I haven't followed pricing because it'll get lower in the next few years, just like computers. I jumped on the lightbox bandwagon when everyone was getting the pink 1ctw studs, lol, bad influences here. Their 10k martini setting sucked so I spent a bunch remounting them into beaded 14k yg bezels.
Re: synthetic gems, synthetic sapphire color may be "too good to be real", but it still lacks the depth and richness. Is it from the microscopic silk? Whatever causes the richness, it needs it. I've looked at the high quality hydrothermal ones and while the color is fantastic, they're crystal clear and don't have the velvety look. But that's only sapphires, I haven't looked at other synthetic gems. Synthetic rubies still have a long ways to go, they all look super fake right now. Or maybe they've gotten much better over the last year and I need a refresher course.
This sounds so morbid, but the older I get the more I want to sell everything and get lab copies. This way i don't have all that money tied up and can still have pretty sparklies to play with, and upon my demise it wont all end up on ebay. Not like I wear anything out anyway, they just sit on my table and keep me company when I work so who cares if they're natural.
