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Help with custom Victor Canera halo engagement ring!!

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fashionbabee

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Hi,

I am new to posting but have been reading on this forum and many other similar for a good few months now trying to decide what I want for my ring which will hopefully be needed soon (when FH proposes which I expect in shortly as we have talked about it). I looked at SK, LM, VC, JBEG and Mayal.

I loved Charypoo's Harry Winston Maytal piece but was worried because she had advised the first ring had to be scrapped and others have mentioned she is good but has a chunkier more substantial style while I want delicate minimal metal on my pave set single halo ring. If Charmypoo reads this I would love to know if there is anything she would have changed with her halo from Maytal if she could do over?

LM and SK customer service concerns put me off those two, as did Frankies post, as did others advising much higher prices for those two than VC.

VC halo owners any advice, recommendations, things to look out for during the process with Victor?

I am in the UK where big stones are not common and am deliberating between a 1ct or 1.5 ct cushion cut in the halo. I want it thin and delicate as poss in the rounded square shape! My hand size is around a US 5 or so I think!

Anyway I recently read Frankie s posts about her 3 tries which was very informative and I now ask is there anything I should consider especially in respect of:

type of pave (I have tried to read on different styles and finding it hard to see the differences and what would be used when...can someone more knowledgeable explain the pros and cons and main features in simple terms of fishtail, mushroom etc)

angle of halo from centre stone - I can see that this can vary from 0 to around 30 degrees not sure why this is so important (just know it is) and again any comments would help

stems, concave or sweeping outward what's best

flush fit or donut? Again not sure what is best!

Diamonds on the gallery in RL are these seen or is it just a nice touch?

at that size of centre stone should the width of halo be same as shank (as I appreciate on a big stone a smaller halo may be better not to overwhelm)

Thank you so much

I love this forum and the pics and knowledge

which reminds me any pics to illustrate / show me what you have would be great also - rings specs appreciated (halo width, melee size etc etc)

:-)
 
The absolutely wonderful thing about Victor is that you don't have to tell him a thing other than which style ring you want and your ring size! He is a master at his craft and every halo ring he makes is exceptional! Seriously, you don't have to obsess over details with him. He is very easy to work with!
 
I don't think you should have any concerns with SKs customer service!

Also, the price difference between SK and VC for my setting was extremely minimal. Have you obtained quotations from both?

I don't think you should rule SK out on those reasons alone.
 
thanks for the reply, I have heard great things which is why I want to use him over the other guys listed. But I see, for example, he has a flush stem halo or normal halo and I would have to tell him what I want but I don't know! I know that overall it should be great but I just don't want later for me to be unhappy for a detail that I didn't know to advise on if that makes sense....#

I hope to get a few pointers on here, tell him what I want, then leave him to it! :twirl:
 
hey fige thanks, I haven't had a quote from SK because I had kind ruled him out due to the fact that some people had good experiences and some had not so good, whereas with VC I have not heard or seen anyone say from a service point of view they had a single issue...

so its not that I think there definitely be an issue more that if there is a possibility, for the prices asked, I didnt want to take the chance...

I got a quote from Maytal (as I really liked Charmypoo's ring) as most people said she is a sweetie to work with...she was $1000 less than VC for the single halo...
 
I have worked with VC and SK and I can assure that both are fantastic, professional and their work is pretty much similar. I actually felt SK had better customer service. Comparing my VC ring to a halo version SK made- you can't tell a difference. I think now that both have done the ring a few hundred times they (SK and VC) have knocked out all the previous issues. So whoever you do end up using- I wouldn't worry about quality issues.

As for your questions it is really based off what you like. What melee appeals to you- bright sparkely white or something more mellow? Do you want diamonds on the donuts and struts? Do you even want struts or would you perfer another design. I suggest you really figure out the design and what you want- they contact both for quotes. Sometimes VC is cheaper and sometimes SK has been cheaper. It's all in the details.
 
thanks, I had looked at that thread before but had another look again now and see first time round I missed the double halo...lovely!

[URL='https://www.pricescope.com/community/threads/another-great-engagement-ring-from-victor.176314/#post-3210179#p3210179']https://www.pricescope.com/community/threads/another-great-engagement-ring-from-victor.176314/#post-3210179#p3210179[/URL]

also liked the single halo but I would like mine to look a touch more delicate

[URL='https://www.pricescope.com/community/threads/gog-avc-in-victor-canera-emilya-halo.175419/']https://www.pricescope.com/community/threads/gog-avc-in-victor-canera-emilya-halo.175419/[/URL]

thanks for your help so far everyone though! appreicated, i have snow blindness from looking at so much 'ice' lol!!!!!!!!! :appl:
 
Sarahbear621 thank you that is really informative!

I would like whichever pave will give the most delicate blingy look! I have read on them but it just all seems a bit abstract just now! info overload I guess!

I am going for a modern cushion so was thinking full cut melee (had I gone for the antique might have gone for single cut)
 
Honestly I think you are over thinking it. What I would do is once you have your diamond and decide who you want to use- sounds like you are going with VC- then I would ship them the diamond and let them decide what is best. You can offer your opinion on things like if you want diamonds on the donut/ struts etc. But otherwise as DS said, I would just let them do what they do best.

VC won't steer you wrong and he will tell you what will compliment your diamond best.
 
What Sarah just said is what I did. I told him I wanted sapphires in platinum halo earrings, and the only thing he asked me was did I want single cut melee, and I told him he could use what he thought was best! And of course, they turned out great!

(But I will tell you, my choice would be the Emilya with no melee on the doughnut because I'd want to wear a band with it, and I'd definitely want the regular base. I'd let him decide if the melee would look right on the struts with none on the doughnut.)

That said, Maytal made my daughter's wedding band, and it is beautiful, too!
 
 
My two cents is that there really isn't a need to over think a halo too much. A few years ago, there weren't as many around but now these vendors you are talking about have done so many that it is partially second nature to them. I also believe that Frankie's thread is informative but I rarely reference it because I feel it is not a true representation on the skill level of each of the vendors. In each iteration, she refined her taste and her ask and as such also received a different product.

I have several rings from SK and all of them have even pave and beautiful prongs (and I am super picky on prongs). He some how manages to get pave into even the smallest spaces. I have zero issues with his customer service. In fact, I will be starting my next project with him. At one point, I have desired a Victor Canera piece to add to my collection but unfortunately the quote was a lot higher than others.

There are good and bad reviews for every single vendor mentioned here.

If you only read this thread, what would you think of Victor Canera's work?
[URL='https://www.pricescope.com/community/threads/comparison-of-my-canera-and-diamonds-by-lauren-settings.171531/']https://www.pricescope.com/community/threads/comparison-of-my-canera-and-diamonds-by-lauren-settings.171531/[/URL]

Or if you only saw this Leon halo?
[URL='https://www.pricescope.com/community/threads/leon-mege-antique-cushion.140739/']https://www.pricescope.com/community/threads/leon-mege-antique-cushion.140739/[/URL]

Or only read this thread about Maytal?
[URL='https://www.pricescope.com/community/threads/a-maytal-hannah-master-piece-double-halo-split-shank.183855/']https://www.pricescope.com/community/threads/a-maytal-hannah-master-piece-double-halo-split-shank.183855/[/URL]

I guess my point is that there are always strong and biased opinions from each of us. Bottom line is that they are all great vendors and each have their strengths and weaknesses so you have to chose which one you like more. I have examined photos and examples on Pricescope very carefully - not just the halo style but a wide range of styles to understand overall capability. I have discussed and looked at pictures of work with vendors to get their professional opinions. I have even watch some grow and improve significantly year over year (like Steven). I have also made my decision on who I would chose for which project and have also in mind identified my default person.

I don't want to completely ignore your question. My Maytal ring is very well made with extremely even pave and well placed prongs. I would like to have the diamond set lower per my instruction but many like the height it is at now. I would like finer pave but this ring is sturdy and has not lost any melee (not that my other rings have). She is a very nice person with a great desire to make customers happy. She makes a fine ring and sure gives others at this price point a run for their money - her pricing is only slightly higher than cad/cast jobs and I would chose hers over theirs any day.
 
For your viewing pleasure, here is Frankie's 4th VC halo. I find it even more perfect than her 3rd VC halo. Just another example on how each iteration is improved over the last. If you want instructions, I would just copy her instructions she shared for her final halo. I actually love it and if I was to make a round halo ... I would totally just copy her instructions step by step ... Frankie has really mastered the round halo.

4th Halo: [URL='https://www.pricescope.com/community/threads/3-075ct-h-vs1-rb-diamond-in-victor-canera-emilya-halo-ring.181019/']https://www.pricescope.com/community/threads/3-075ct-h-vs1-rb-diamond-in-victor-canera-emilya-halo-ring.181019/[/URL]

3rd Halo: [URL='https://www.pricescope.com/community/threads/victor-canera-rb-halo-ring-my-forever-setting-finally.164262/']https://www.pricescope.com/community/threads/victor-canera-rb-halo-ring-my-forever-setting-finally.164262/[/URL]

For reference, the beautiful band she wears in the photos on the above thread was made by Steven Kirsch.

One last thought ... I have never gotten Frankie's price she quoted for the VC halo in her threads. Mine were always far higher and it appears other PSers received the same quote as I did.
 
CharmyPoo|1363415377|3406160 said:
One last thought ... I have never gotten Frankie's price she quoted for the VC halo in her threads. Mine were always far higher and it appears other PSers received the same quote as I did.
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The price I was quoted (in November 2012) was very similar to Frankies.

In the end, I went for a plain solitaire so I could get a bigger diamond. Im also in the uk and was worried about the VAT and logistics of getting a diamond from the US, shipping back to VC and the tax on it coming back. I know I could have got my diamond shipped directly to VC but I wasnt keen on doing that not ever having seen it (I went for an I and wasnt actually sure how colour sensitive I would be so didnt want to lose my option to return the stone) and I dont think I would have been able to get it insured for setting not being a US resident so as I had to pay for a setting anyway I just kept that!

Long story and probably I could have got round some of the stuff above but it all seemed a bit overwhelming at the time. Its definitely something you will have to consider though if you are in the UK, the logistics are a whole lot different (and more expensive) than buying in the US. Still loads cheaper than the UK but when you are getting into $4k just for the setting the VAT is going to be no laughing matter!
 
HollyDolly - Frankie said she paid 3500.
 
CharmyPoo|1363440087|3406221 said:
HollyDolly - Frankie said she paid 3500.
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I got my ring within a year of Frankie's and basically asked for her ring- I paid well over $3500 though our diamonds were very similar in size. But that is what happens with supply and demand. Right now this ring is hovering around the 5-7k marker pending ct size and designer. Crazy how prices sky rocket in 2 years.
 
CharmyPoo|1363440087|3406221 said:
HollyDolly - Frankie said she paid 3500.
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Apologies, I thought when she said the lower end of $4k she meant pretty much the same as I was quoted.

I so wish I could have got one, I LOVE that setting so much.

One thing to also be aware of fashionbabee is that here in the UK people will comment often on the size of your diamond and not necessarily in a positive way. Mine is a 1.41 and people grab my hand in shops and I have had a lot of attention about it which has been sometimes a little uncomfortable, even from friends. My OH suggested that the VC ring was a 'bit much' and he was probably right. Although as soon as I have the spare cash and can work out the logistics I am definitely going to get it reset to the Emilya, I think its just so perfect and peoples comments say more about them than they do about me so im prepared to rise above :lol: Just thought it worth mentioning in case its something that might bother you.
 
Hello, thank you all for reassurance and such comprehensive information. I really really appreciate you all taking the time to provide your experience and wisdom on the subject it is fantastic and has really really helped me!!!!!! I will feel a lot more confident going forward now!

Charmypoo thank you for your reply in respect of your project with Maytal...when I first started looking at rings and this process some months ago your halo by Maytal was on of the first threads I read and I literally just died when I saw your ring it was so beautiful in my eyes! So your comments that all you would change is the diamond height (I think, like you have stated about others, that it is lovely) and perhaps make pave a little finer is so good to know so thank you.

After seeing Charmypoo's ring i came accross the SK,LM,VC halos which then tore me a little as I also love them but they are different from the Maytal one...so still deciding on which I prefer at the moment I think it may be the latter (hence my title of post) but I have to say there is a little part of me that keeps reflecting back to the Maytal one.

I also think based, on your feedback and reassurance, I may just check in with LM and SK for prices and once I have got quotations from those to compare to Maytal and VC I can make a final, fully informed, decision. Would the prices of the quotations be something I should put in this thread/you guys would like to know (just checking etiquette before I do it).

Hollydolly and any other UK ladies any further UK specific info or considerations would be much appreciated. I have considered what you have said about VAT and based on this looked at import duty and VAT from USA to other countries last night...to get the ring into the UK would be really expensive (2.5% + 20% VAT) so an option is to send to my sister in Oz. Due to the US and Oz trade agreement no import duty (5%) just GST (10%) so that could save a lot!!!!!! She could then bring it over in June? Just a thought...

the size of the centre stone is something I have thought of Holly Dolly and it is one of the reasons I have been fighting over 1ct or slightly bigger at 1.5 as I know having it in a halo will make it even bigger and I have considered that:

I cannot recall the last time I seen anyone with a big rock in the UK (I work in Canary Wharf) and even then I have noticed a distinct lack of big stones
-I have not EVER seen anyone IRL with a halo!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! This in itself will be quite a 'blingy' style I think and way out the norm for my circle of friends as most people I know have a solitaire so I considered bigger size plus blingy style might have people's eyes out on stalks here lol!

But I love halos and I am going with it and actually happy they are not common here from what I have seen/where I live/where I work/in my circle anyway! I tried some rings on yesterday in Hatton Garden (London's diamond district) and was struck by how bad the settings where...pretty much the focus is on the centre stone and the setting is an afterthought! There are literally so many jewellers and I looked and tried on so many rings and all the pave ones have a very noticeable border of pave outlining the band or round the inner/outer part of the halo. Also the prongs were terrible and the stone sat so high on many it was looking like it was just plopped in without any though...I have been a few times and was hoping to see something lovely so as not to have to go to all this trouble....but I didn't :-(

There was one other option (this comment now is more for any UK/London peeps) that a guy called Daniel Prince will handmake rings, his are truly hand forged like the others I have looked at and he has a blog showing how he improved a CAST/CAD piece and that is quite amazing (not sure if I am allowed to post the link to show you guys please let me know and I can). I could always meet with him before deciding and that would avoid the VAT issue? but not let me have one of my dream rings....

anyway sorry for rambling on here! thanks agian for your help you are all diamonds! :twirl:
 
Personally, and this is just my .02cents but you should not post vendor quotes EVER. I don't think I have ever seen one posted on PS. And that will also not help you build a relationship with that vendor. If you post a quote then it is on the internet and searchable forever. It is up to the vendor to raise or lower their pricing as they see fit and by posted a quote I bet you will then be forcing them to respond to it. I can just see someone contacted SK and saying "back in 2012 you charged XXXXXX for a ring why am I being charged XXXX more now in 2016. "

You will find that most posters on PS will use round numbers such as SK charges 1k less. Or Leon was the highest quote. Or quotes were comparable etc across the board. If you wish to discuss pricing or quotes I think this is the best way without actually giving out exact figures.

Another reason why I'm against giving our pricing is because say you request a quote for a halo for a 3ct stone and it comes back at 5k. Perhaps someone with a 1ct stone will not look into that vendor anymore because they only see the setting costs 5k and not know that it costs more due to the capstone center size etc. There are too many details that go into the pricing for a quote and you don't want to turn others off of a vendor by accident.

EDIT: and I apologize if I sound like I'm on a soap box. Glad you are pushing for quotes from other vendors OP! I would also add ERD to the list as well.
 
Hello

Thanks for your reply and I don't think of soap box, I think you are giving and opinion and that's what forums are for ;))

I understand totally what you are saying - though having many, many posts and threads on this sight since January I have seen lots of times where both quotations and actual costs for rings have been provided. I have also though, seen lots of occasions where posters have done what you have suggested and kept it general. I will be happy to do that as I think what you have said does make sense.

So, on that note:

Victor was the most expensive (quite a bit!)
next was Steven
then was Maytal who was a bit cheaper than Steven but not that much
I tried to get a quote from Leon (telling him centre stone size and that I would want the 811) but he wanted me to call to discuss specifics first, I asked as I am in the UK and just wanted basically an 811 (nothing really customised like a special gallery or anything) could he give me a ballpark or did I still need to call - never got back to me.

I have seen a fair bit about ERD and it seems like their service is second to none and I think I may also get a quotation now also before pulling the trigger!

I also have seen (in all the shops I have been to) a possible contender here in the UK. I will start a separate thread on that but feel free to look at it and give any thoughts. I am still torn as the USA route would give perfection and UK would be nice but not perfect but likely get a discount (friends mum could arrange) and it would be much easier! Anyway thanks again for far peeps, very very grateful for everyone who has taken the time to post! :wink2:
 
Am working on a project with LM now and have nothing but wonderful things to say about him. No problems whatsoever and he could not be more attentive and eager to work with me. I am so glad I picked him.
 
Hey OP, check out a thread by Momhappy, she just did the halo thing with ERD. I had been looking into this for a while for my wife's ER, but prices were too high for me until I saw her thread. I also pulled the trigger on the halo, but that story if for another day, we both worked with Chris at ERD. Best of luck.
edit: Here is the link of the ERD setting that Momhappy and I pulled the trigger on. Maybe this is more your taste and budget.
[URL='https://www.pricescope.com/community/threads/looking-for-simple-halo-engagement-ring-seeking-advice.187497/']https://www.pricescope.com/community/threads/looking-for-simple-halo-engagement-ring-seeking-advice.187497/[/URL]
 
Hello

Oooo lovely bling on that round halo there, yawzas!

I am waiting to find out how much (discount etc) the one in the UK will have, should find out tomorrow then I will make a choice between that one or going with a US based option. If I go with US based option then as well as the quotes I already have then will get a quote from ERD. Its not so much that budget wont allow its more should the funds go to this, is it the best use of funds etc. Bling guilt lol! Boyf just telling me to do what makes me happy!

Anyway this is a link to my new thread with pictures of the UK option.

Obviously everyone already knows what the Canera/Kirsch/Maytal type HW halos look like, I do not think that the UK option is a direct comparison but its the only halo I have seen here that I liked that IRL did not have huge amounts of metal and was sparkly! I saw a 1 ct cushion halo in platinum not long ago and it hardly sparkled, whereas this one was crazy IRL!!!!!!!!!!!

thanks again peeps! x

[URL='https://www.pricescope.com/community/threads/halo-e-ring-usa-custom-or-off-the-shelf-in-uk-help.187530/#post-3416722#p3416722']https://www.pricescope.com/community/threads/halo-e-ring-usa-custom-or-off-the-shelf-in-uk-help.187530/#post-3416722#p3416722[/URL]
 
Hello

Despite the title of this thread after taking everything on board think I am now going with SK! The quote from him was a good bit cheaper than VC and after the posts in this thread and my contact so far with him I think I am going in that direction so thank you! All the help/advice/suggestions were so helpful! :tongue:

Anyway I am now looking for the centrestone so any advice will be greatly appreciated from the veterans of cushion world!

Started a new thread for this - seen a few on Good Old Gold but obviously I am a cushion novice (despite the videos on youtube and reading on here!)

[URL='https://www.pricescope.com/community/threads/help-advice-opinion-on-modern-1-ct-cushion-diamonds-for-halo.188901/']https://www.pricescope.com/community/threads/help-advice-opinion-on-modern-1-ct-cushion-diamonds-for-halo.188901/[/URL]
 
Hi fashionbabee - I thought I would post as I have had exactly the same experience as you (and it is so funny as I think we are looking for the same style, by the same designers, want the same size diamond and even have the same size fingers ha!!). I live in London too and was looking for a halo style engagement ring. At first I thought I wanted the De Beers Aura but then I came across the US designers who create such wonderful pieces at very good prices. At first I really was not keen on going with the US option given the practicalities of either having to go to the US or pay 20% to ship the ring over. I looked in Hatton Garden at some of the jewellers which have been mentioned and I was not that impressed by the place. I struggled to find a jeweller I trusted 100% to make the ring and I felt they were dismissive about how difficult it is to make the halo style band - they all said it would be really easy, which I felt uncomfortable about. Anyway, I was choosing between Victor Canera and a designer called Jean Dousset. I have decided to go with Jean D and I am hoping to make a trip out to collect the ring. I was so impressed by Victor though and would have gone for him out of SK and LM (but admittedly I did not look into SK and LM much - I just read Frankie's thread and thought her ring was stunning).

Anyway it was a relief to read your story - I thought I was going slightly crazy not being able to find a halo in the UK. My other half thought I was being a diva and it sounded ridiculous that I could not find something I was happy with in Europe let alone London. But, like you said, you just do not see that style of ring as much in the UK as people tend to prefer classic styles such as the solitaire. It is quite stressful looking as I know I will wear mine for the next (hopefully) 50 years as I am not keen on the idea of 'upgrading' for sentimental reasons, no matter how much money we will have in the future (sorry US ladies, again I think this is just because I am from the UK and it is not the done thing here). Good luck with your hunt! I will enjoy reading about it and thanks for the reassurance you have provided me.
 
Hello!

Thank you so much for posting and I was interested hearing you have been on the same journey!

I know what you mean about the 20% VAT but I have sorta tried to reconcile with it by thinking that every similar spec diamond that I have enquired about in the UK or even direct from Antwerp is much much higher prices so even with VAT for the stone it seems like the US is STILL the cheaper option so that sorta makes me feel better!

I totally understand about what you are saying about the ready agreement that these HW type rings could so easily be replicated and I don't agree. I found that I was not able to find anyone who could advise it could be done that could provide examples of similar rings to what I am looking for so I just didn't want to take the chance and would rather pay a bit more to have it done right without the worry of having something go wrong and having to fix it later!

Again when I got a price for bespoke from a couple of UK hand forgers the price was higher or the same as the US ones (even adding on the VAT) so I thought why not get exactly what I wanted.

I did toy with an off the shelf UK one for a while because I was starting to feel like I was becoming a bit of brat and my other half surely would be sick of hearing about diamonds and the small nuances between these settings/rings but after all I had showed him even he agreed that was not the way to go and he said he could not have me settle or take the easy route when he knew better but even for my own sanity I was should I just give up lol?!!!

Wish there was a similar site for UK ladies!

And what is with there being no HW style halos in the UK?? I mean even saying that here sounds ridiculous. I have looked in so many B&M shops but also hundreds of sights online and there really is nothing?????????!

I actually am excited that you do not see halos as much here as it means when I get one it will be different and unique rather than so common like the US so I am happy about that!

I didn't know what I wanted when I started looking apart from I didn't want a solitaire (nothing against them or anything just not for me) because literally apart from one person everyone I know has a solitaire engagement ring!

You are so right about the added stress because of the lack of upgrading here! I want to do it once and that is it! but that puts so much more pressure on it doesn't it??? It is quite funny the cultural difference that in the US it is super common to upgrade or even ohave more than one engagement ring (I mean nothing wrong with that at all but just funny how different the UK and US is in that regard because I had never heard really of this until reading on PS).

I will just hae a check out of your designer anyway but wishing you all the luck in the world. If you have any more info about your stone/specs of setting/ anything at all I would love to hear all about it! When your have your ring please do a SMTB thread but also post on my thread (feel free to thread jack away) so I don't miss it as super excited for you!!!!!!!!!!!!!

:appl:
 
WillyDiamond|1364663346|3416761 said:
Hey OP, check out a thread by Momhappy, she just did the halo thing with ERD. I had been looking into this for a while for my wife's ER, but prices were too high for me until I saw her thread. I also pulled the trigger on the halo, but that story if for another day, we both worked with Chris at ERD. Best of luck.
edit: Here is the link of the ERD setting that Momhappy and I pulled the trigger on. Maybe this is more your taste and budget.
[URL='https://www.pricescope.com/community/threads/looking-for-simple-halo-engagement-ring-seeking-advice.187497/']https://www.pricescope.com/community/threads/looking-for-simple-halo-engagement-ring-seeking-advice.187497/[/URL]
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I am still SO incredibly thrilled with my choice to go with ERD for my round halo. My ring has gotten oodles of compliments. I still want to update my thread with detailed pics of the prongs (as someone requested) because the craftsmanship of my ring is excellent. I found the ERD pricing to be around a thousand dollars less and to be honest, I don't feel like I had to compromise on anything (and I have seen and touched custom/hand forged halos). My ERD halo exceeded my expectations.
Best of luck on your halo fashionbabee - no matter which vendor you choose, just maintain regular contact and have them walk you through the process as your ring is created (I would call or email Chris with ERD on a regular basis and he was more than happy to fill me in on the latest details). That way, you won't end up with any surprises when you finally see the completed project. The other thing that I found helpful during my process was to show the vendor images of halos that I didn't like (there were certain prongs, etc. that I didn't like). Sometimes, it's easier to point out things you don't like rather than explain exactly what it is you like.
 
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