Circular Brilliant - Can I get an assist, please?

[Cerulean]

@Cerulean, yeah probably too low in color but such a pretty stone, figured I would throw it out there just in case.

I’d say Dolly and Whitney are ones to keep an eye on, they get some amazing diamonds at really good price points.

Oh I think it’s a great option and absolutely worth sharing! Will be bright, but won’t be white lol

Depends on personal preferences for sure. I don’t consider M discernibly white either! But if it hits the sweet spot of white enough, than an N may work. It looks like a great stone with a classic transitional look. Won’t have that puffy crown that many older antiques have so it depends on what you want most @RetroQT

I can really appreciate transitionals but it’s a very different flavor

P.S. I can also tell the difference between a D and E, so maybe take some of my color feedback with a grain of salt - I just think it’s important especially for lurkers and newbies reading threads not to misunderstand and conflate brightness from light return with tint

 

[RetroQT]

Oh I think it’s a great option and absolutely worth sharing! Will be bright, but won’t be white lol

Depends on personal preferences for sure. I don’t consider M discernibly white either! But if it hits the sweet spot of white enough, than an N may work. It looks like a great stone with a classic transitional look. Won’t have that puffy crown that many older antiques have so it depends on what you want most @RetroQT

I can really appreciate transitionals but it’s a very different flavor

P.S. I can also tell the difference between a D and E, so maybe take some of my color feedback with a grain of salt - I just think it’s important especially for lurkers and newbies reading threads not to misunderstand and conflate brightness from light return with tint

I don’t mind the color of my M because it isn’t harsh. If it has some body color, I prefer more of the ivory than yellow, but definitely not discernibly brown. Since my M doesn’t have florescence, I’m not sure if having some would help with an N. I don’t think I’d go any lower, tho. Ultimately I’d prefer a higher color but I don’t want to pay higher color pricing. Hahaha!

As for OEC vs transitional, I feel like the faceting will be the overall deciding factor for me. But I also know that I am looking for decent finger coverage (5.75 finger size).

Excited that the hunt is on!

 

[lulu_ma]

@RetroQT I think one inherent issue is that GIA grades the stones upside down.

I absolutely think that from the bottom up that stones within one color grade will have similar tint. However, with old cuts facet patterns/depths/star lengths can all vary. This variation can effect *face up* perception.

Here's a clear example to illustrate:



Both of these OECs are graded L color by GIA. Neither have any significant fluoro.

ETA: One stone is my friend's e-ring. The other is one that I tried on was listed for $85k!

 

[Cerulean]

I don’t mind the color of my M because it isn’t harsh. If it has some body color, I prefer more of the ivory than yellow, but definitely not discernibly brown. Since my M doesn’t have florescence, I’m not sure if having some would help with an N. I don’t think I’d go any lower, tho. Ultimately I’d prefer a higher color but I don’t want to pay higher color pricing. Hahaha!

As for OEC vs transitional, I feel like the faceting will be the overall deciding factor for me. But I also know that I am looking for decent finger coverage (5.75 finger size).

Excited that the hunt is on!

Very exciting indeed! I went through some old options, the only OEC that might meet your criteria I had pinned is below…

but it is has a visible inclusion under the table which may be a dealbreaker - and it WILL have a tint, and it’s not 3 carats…hah! But beautifully cut

It’s listed for far less on their website…

GIA Certified Art Deco 2.69 Ct. Old European Engagement Ring For Sale at 1stDibs | art deco gia certified 0.61 ct. ol...

For Sale on 1stDibs - An antique old European cut diamond set in a classic Art Deco era setting, this engagement ring is the real deal. Our center is a GIA certified 2.69 ct.

www.1stdibs.com

 

[Cerulean]

@RetroQT I think one inherent issue is that GIA grades the stones upside down.

I absolutely think that from the bottom up that stones within one color grade will have similar tint. However, with old cuts is that the facet pattern /depth/star length all vary. This variation can effect *face up* perception.

Here's a clear example to illustrate:



Both of these OECs are graded L color by GIA. Neither have any significant fluoro.

Sure, but I don’t think GIA grading upside down is a problem. It’s the easiest way to discern color with the highest accuracy. I think that’s why light return and tint need to be evaluated separately and transparently.

Light return impacts how you perceive color, but it doesn’t change the color itself.

There are so many visual tricks that can impact how we perceive color! We’ve seen here on PS how the setting color or even just style can have a dramatic impact on our perception of color, or gosh even the tones in ones skin can emphasize color unexpectedly

 

[Mreader]

Also tht

Reader set - search PSers - search!!! Tagging @lulu_ma who also loves to shop for others!

Also that should have said "Ready, set - search". haha.

 

[lulu_ma]

My M (that I do love) doesn’t have any fluorescence. If it had some, that could make it a little “whiter”, right?

Fluoro can help in some lights. My 4 ct M has medium fluoro. It faces up white in almost every scenario, but that may because it is spready...

The 7 ct N that I loved had strong fluoro. I do wonder if the strong fluoro would make it look hazy in some lights...

 

[RetroQT]

Very exciting indeed! I went through some old options, the only OEC that might meet your criteria I had pinned is below…

but it is has a visible inclusion under the table which may be a dealbreaker - and it WILL have a tint, and it’s not 3 carats…hah! But beautifully cut

It’s listed for far less on their website…

GIA Certified Art Deco 2.69 Ct. Old European Engagement Ring For Sale at 1stDibs | art deco gia certified 0.61 ct. ol...

For Sale on 1stDibs - An antique old European cut diamond set in a classic Art Deco era setting, this engagement ring is the real deal. Our center is a GIA certified 2.69 ct.

www.1stdibs.com

It is very pretty! When you say “it’s listed for far less on their website”, do you mean on the seller’s website? I didn’t see their info.

 

[RetroQT]

Fluoro can help in some lights. My 4 ct M has medium fluoro. It faces up white in almost every scenario, but that may because it is spready...

The 7 ct N that I loved had strong fluoro. I do wonder if the strong fluoro would make it look hazy in some lights...

Yeah, I like the idea of faint fluoro if at all. I don’t think any of my bigger stones have any.

 

[Mreader]

Very exciting indeed! I went through some old options, the only OEC that might meet your criteria I had pinned is below…

but it is has a visible inclusion under the table which may be a dealbreaker - and it WILL have a tint, and it’s not 3 carats…hah! But beautifully cut

It’s listed for far less on their website…

GIA Certified Art Deco 2.69 Ct. Old European Engagement Ring For Sale at 1stDibs | art deco gia certified 0.61 ct. ol...

For Sale on 1stDibs - An antique old European cut diamond set in a classic Art Deco era setting, this engagement ring is the real deal. Our center is a GIA certified 2.69 ct.

www.1stdibs.com

Yum. I like that one!

 

[Cerulean]

It is very pretty! When you say “it’s listed for far less on their website”, do you mean on the seller’s website? I didn’t see their info.

Revive on Instagram: "Would you say yes?✨ A completely mesmerizing 2.69 carat Old European cut centers this original Art Deco engagement ring. Search R53 on the site for all the details . . . . . #jewelrylover #naturaldiamonds #oldeuropeancut #vin

revive.jewels on January 8, 2022: "Would you say yes?✨ A completely mesmerizing 2.69 carat Old European cut centers t..."

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Here’s their name and link to IG pics

Don’t take the inclusions lightly! I’d just make sure it’s something you’re comfortable with.

 

[lulu_ma]

Sure, but I don’t think GIA grading upside down is a problem. It’s the easiest way to discern color with the highest accuracy. I think that’s why light return and tint need to be evaluated separately and transparently.

Light return impacts how you perceive color, but it doesn’t change the color itself.

There are so many visual tricks that can impact how we perceive color! We’ve seen here on PS how the setting color or even just style can have a dramatic impact on our perception of color, or gosh even the tones in ones skin can emphasize color unexpectedly

I agree with a lot of what you are saying. Except, I don't think any of us should be buying old cuts for optimal light return

 

[Cerulean]

I agree with a lot of what you are saying. Except, I don't any of us should be buying old cuts for optimal light return

Nope! Barking up the wrong tree for the most part lol

My point is just that cut impacts perception of color, good or bad

 

[RetroQT]

I want the old cut for the chunky confetti. Because if I was looking for a modern glittery diamond, I’d be an ACA girl without a doubt. LOL!

 

[RetroQT]

Revive on Instagram: "Would you say yes?✨ A completely mesmerizing 2.69 carat Old European cut centers this original Art Deco engagement ring. Search R53 on the site for all the details . . . . . #jewelrylover #naturaldiamonds #oldeuropeancut #vin

revive.jewels on January 8, 2022: "Would you say yes?✨ A completely mesmerizing 2.69 carat Old European cut centers t..."

www.instagram.com

Here’s their name and link to IG pics

Don’t take the inclusions lightly! I’d just make sure it’s something you’re comfortable with.

Found it, thank you! And I don’t know that the inclusion would bother me so much as knowing I might find another well cut stone of similar color and possibly higher clarity for the same price that doesn’t have the inclusion. If that makes sense.

 

[lulu_ma]

I think this one missed being graded a CB due to the star length. But maybe too checkerboard-y for you? Great color. Should have good fire due to the depth. Is the face up large enough for you? If this was my stone, I might want to open the culet up a little...

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[RetroQT]

I think this one missed being graded a CB due to the star length. But maybe too checkerboard-y for you? Great color. Should have good fire due to the depth. Is the face up large enough for you? If this was my stone, I might want to open the culet up a little...

Vintage 3.15ctw European Cut Diamond Heirloom Engagement Ring in Platinum | eBay

Find many great new & used options and get the best deals for Vintage 3.15ctw European Cut Diamond Heirloom Engagement Ring in Platinum at the best online prices at eBay! Free shipping for many products!

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Definitely pretty, but out of my price range. I have to stay firm, especially if tax is included.

I’ll show you “the one” that got me started down this path. It an M-VVS2 3.17ct OEC. (9.41 - 9.43 x 5.77 mm; 61.3% depth; 47% table)

Bright Old European Cut Engagement Ring in Yellow Gold Setting

Bright Old European Cut Engagement Ring in Yellow Gold Setting The Vivian 3.17 ring is a VB original made right here in NYC. The ring centers a GIA-certified 3.17-carat old European cut diamond of M color, VVS2 clarity. The stone is set in a 4 prong 18kt yellow gold setting with a tapered...

www.victorbarbone.com

 

[lulu_ma]

Definitely pretty, but out of my price range. I have to stay firm, especially if tax is included.

I’ll show you “the one” that got me started down this path. It an M-VVS2 3.17ct OEC. (9.41 - 9.43 x 5.77 mm; 61.3% depth; 47% table)

Bright Old European Cut Engagement Ring in Yellow Gold Setting

Bright Old European Cut Engagement Ring in Yellow Gold Setting The Vivian 3.17 ring is a VB original made right here in NYC. The ring centers a GIA-certified 3.17-carat old European cut diamond of M color, VVS2 clarity. The stone is set in a 4 prong 18kt yellow gold setting with a tapered...

www.victorbarbone.com

Wait, what's your price range? Under $29K? Or what is your ideal price?

 

[RetroQT]

Wait, what's your price range? Under $29K? Or what is your ideal price?

Realistically, under $25k. Ideally, under $18k.

 

[Cerulean]

For smaller vendors id also absolutely negotiate. The revive jewels stone is 19k on their website, and 23k on 1stDibs

 

[RetroQT]

For smaller vendors id also absolutely negotiate. The revive jewels stone is 19k on their website, and 23k on 1stDibs

That’s good to know!

 

[RetroQT]

Hancocks London on Instagram: "Over 100 years old and still an absolute knockout! Made c.1915, this ring is set with a bright and lively old European brilliant cut diamond weighing a whisker over 9cts. It has lovely proportions and the characteristic

344 likes, 11 comments - hancocks_london on July 28, 2022: "Over 100 years old and still an absolute knockout! Made c.1915, this ring is set with a bright an..."

www.instagram.com

Oh dayum!

 

[Cerulean]

Hancocks London on Instagram: "Over 100 years old and still an absolute knockout! Made c.1915, this ring is set with a bright and lively old European brilliant cut diamond weighing a whisker over 9cts. It has lovely proportions and the characteristic

344 likes, 11 comments - hancocks_london on July 28, 2022: "Over 100 years old and still an absolute knockout! Made c.1915, this ring is set with a bright an..."

www.instagram.com

Oh dayum!

Beautiful. They are outrageously expensive FYI

 

[RetroQT]

Beautiful. They are outrageously expensive FYI

It’s 9cts. I’m not even remotely ready for that rock!!! Hahaha! But it’s a stunner.

 

[Mreader]

Just another word about Dolly. Even if that stone is gone I’m sure she might have some stuff that hasn’t been listed yet. She’s a part-time bling slinger so often and she has more than she’s able to list at once. I’m very curious to hear what she says so let us know when she writes you back!

 

[RetroQT]

I wish I knew more accounts to follow to watch for deals. Should have been paying more attention when y’all were on the search for others.

 

[RetroQT]

Just another word about Dolly. Even if that stone is gone I’m sure she might have some stuff that hasn’t been listed yet. She’s a part-time bling slinger so often and she has more than she’s able to list at once. I’m very curious to hear what she says so let us know when she writes you back!

Oh, I definitely will! I keep checking my inbox to see if she’s read the message but I keep forgetting she’s 3 hours behind me and working.

 

[Cerulean]

Oh, I definitely will! I keep checking my inbox to see if she’s read the message but I keep forgetting she’s 3 hours behind me and working.

Trust me we all know that edge-of-my-seat omg-you-must-reply-NOW feeling

Have you reached out to Adam at OWD? He posted a few OECs recently

 

[YadaYadaYada]

Check Dolly’s stories, something coming up tonight 3 carats!

 

[RetroQT]

Check Dolly’s stories, something coming up tonight 3 carats!

i DM’d her from the story and called dibs. LOL! I’m sure I wasn’t the only one. But I have an alarm set to go check it at 8:59.