Such as?Date: 7/27/2009 2:21:51 PM
Author: Moh 10
I did not mention your name.
I wrote a generic 'a problem poster'.
Date: 7/27/2009 2:21:51 PM
Author: Moh 10
I did not mention your name.
I wrote a generic ''a problem poster''.
Moh, it works both ways.Date: 7/27/2009 2:38:40 PM
Author: Moh 10
any generic problem poster can make nice nice so newbies are swayed.
prove itDate: 7/27/2009 2:08:53 PM
Author: Rockdiamond
Who''s to say that my motives or methods are not more protective of consumers?
I honestly believe THEY ARE!
Thanks for illustrating a classic example of bias. (Sorry I had to step back in, I think a line has been crossed here.)Date: 7/27/2009 2:15:27 PM
Author: Moh 10
Date: 7/27/2009 1:55:21 PM
Author: Abril
Great post, Black Jade.
Yeah, I don't get why the regulars on PS bash RockDiamond so much. But if there's a pervasive bias against him, casual readers who aren't familiar with the backstory and frankly don't care can choose to ignore it. We consumers can make up our own minds about a vendor.
Sure if you have time to read many years of a person's posts.
Sometimes a problem poster tries to make nice nice and if that's all you see . . . buyer beware.
I spose your going to rant about AGS now, they have also became more inclusive over the same time period.Date: 7/27/2009 2:08:53 PM
Author: Rockdiamond
Storm- you have accused me of ignoring points that don''t suit my agenda- whatever that might be.
But you essentialy ignore the most important point I made.
You now admit you''ve learned a lot and are more inclusive
Did it ever occur to you that during your education your actions may have done real damage to real people?
Not insulting someone on a forum , but taking the bread out of an honest person''s mouth?
To say nothing of the people who you may have advised to spend more because , at the time, you were more likely to ''diss'' a stone arbitrarily.
Karl, could you prove same for you?Date: 7/27/2009 3:18:14 PM
Author: strmrdr
Date: 7/27/2009 2:08:53 PM
Author: Rockdiamond
Who's to say that my motives or methods are not more protective of consumers?
I honestly believe THEY ARE!
prove it
Karl, All due respect, I never mentioned AGS, but I did ask you.Date: 7/27/2009 3:27:31 PM
Author: strmrdr
I spose your going to rant about AGS now, they have also became more inclusive over the same time period.Date: 7/27/2009 2:08:53 PM
Author: Rockdiamond
Storm- you have accused me of ignoring points that don''t suit my agenda- whatever that might be.
But you essentialy ignore the most important point I made.
You now admit you''ve learned a lot and are more inclusive
Did it ever occur to you that during your education your actions may have done real damage to real people?
Not insulting someone on a forum , but taking the bread out of an honest person''s mouth?
To say nothing of the people who you may have advised to spend more because , at the time, you were more likely to ''diss'' a stone arbitrarily.
I am not the only one that has learned a lot over the time period since I joined pricescope.
The entire science of diamond cut has taken huge leaps and moved is many directions and I have been keeping up with the state of the art and pushing beyond it.
No one I advised ever bought an ugly diamond on my advise and I used the state of the art at the time when recommending them.
So you saying I'm biased against you because I disagreed with your recommendation.Date: 7/27/2009 3:29:57 PM
Author: Rockdiamond
OK Karl.
Clearly, it should be a person''s right ( consumer) to recommend anyone they want.Date: 7/27/2009 3:27:27 PM
Author: Moh 10
I have a bias towards John Pollard.
I''d buy a diamond from him in a heartbeat, even if he went to work for an unknown company.
Ditto, Brian Gavin.
Bias is good, natural and healthy.
It is the result of experience or judging character over a long period of time.
You can''t remain unbiased after reading years worth of material which formulates a bias - positive or negative.
Meaning you won''t discuss actual harm that may have been done to others.Date: 7/27/2009 3:41:05 PM
Author: strmrdr
So you saying I''m biased against you because I disagreed with your recommendation.Date: 7/27/2009 3:29:57 PM
Author: Rockdiamond
OK Karl.
lol
So is your real motive to silence those that don''t push your diamonds?
hmmmmmmm
I am done I have much better things to do than argue with you.
I get the picture your here to protect the trade from all of us evil pricescopers by driving people away from here.Date: 7/27/2009 3:51:54 PM
Author: Rockdiamond
But standing up against such bias, and unjust dismissal of honest people''s businesses is very strong motivation.
Let''s not skirt the issue here by throwing remarks like that, shall we? You expected him to justify his remarks but you feel you don''t have to wth yours? Where''s the fairness in that? I don''t see what the problem is with admitting we might have been wrong before... We''re humans after all.Date: 7/27/2009 3:59:00 PM
Author: strmrdr
I get the picture your here to protect the trade from all of us evil pricescopers by driving people away from here.Date: 7/27/2009 3:51:54 PM
Author: Rockdiamond
But standing up against such bias, and unjust dismissal of honest people''s businesses is very strong motivation.
Date: 7/27/2009 3:59:00 PM
Author: strmrdr
Date: 7/27/2009 3:51:54 PM
Author: Rockdiamond
But standing up against such bias, and unjust dismissal of honest people''s businesses is very strong motivation.
I get the picture your here to protect the trade from all of us evil pricescopers by driving people away from here.
I would just like to ditto this comment and add that a person has a right to say whatever they want, positive or negative, regardless of how long they''ve been here. This is the nature of a community like PS.Date: 7/27/2009 3:47:34 PM
Author: Rockdiamond
Clearly, it should be a person''s right ( consumer) to recommend anyone they want.Date: 7/27/2009 3:27:27 PM
Author: Moh 10
I have a bias towards John Pollard.
I''d buy a diamond from him in a heartbeat, even if he went to work for an unknown company.
Ditto, Brian Gavin.
Bias is good, natural and healthy.
It is the result of experience or judging character over a long period of time.
You can''t remain unbiased after reading years worth of material which formulates a bias - positive or negative.
i would also have no hesitation in recommending John Pollard. I don''t know Brian, but I''ve seen some of his stones in threads, and they were gorgeous.
So recommending sounds good.
How about disparaging others?
All due respect Moh- have we met?
Have you seen our diamonds in person?
We''re both here less than a year- how have we built up this experience you talk about?
What is a problem poster, and what were you talking about?
Sick of David and his constant attacks on consumers and pricescope.Date: 7/27/2009 5:48:38 PM
Author: Serg
Date: 7/27/2009 3:59:00 PM
Author: strmrdr
Date: 7/27/2009 3:51:54 PM
Author: Rockdiamond
But standing up against such bias, and unjust dismissal of honest people''s businesses is very strong motivation.
I get the picture your here to protect the trade from all of us evil pricescopers by driving people away from here.
David Atlas,Garry
I hope these Karl and Moh posts could change your opinion about current landscape on PS.
PS is sick
Date: 7/22/2009 9:40:07 PM
Author: Ellen
No need. Everything is perfectly clear now David. I won't question you again.Date: 7/22/2009 7:42:02 PM
Author: Rockdiamond
Date: 7/22/2009 5:46:11 PM
Author: Ellen
Date: 7/22/2009 5:11:53 PM
You love 60/60's. And the reason you love them is because you have seen so many diamonds, with various cuts. You know that certain cuts makes a difference in a diamonds appearance. I think it's only fair to let customers know that too, or at least let them know it's there to be learned, if they are so inclined. Then let them decide what they want to do/how they want to pick their diamond. I hardly think that is an unreasonable request, no?
I am all for different points of view David. You haven't explained yours yet, I'm all ears.
Ellen- you are making statements on my behalf that are not accurate.
I don't prefer a 60%table because I have looked at so many diamonds.
I prefer it for the same reason blue is my favorite color. Or Chocolate versus Vanilla
How can I make this any clearer?
It's a personal preference.
An 'Ideal' cut has a smaller table, while a 60/60 has an -ever so slightly- larger table.
A subtle difference which can be explained to someone, if that's the type of diamond they are looking for. It can be demonstrated with a camera.
IN the photo below there's an AGS 0 56.3% table versus a 61% table very well cut GIA stone.
But the truth is, Richard's point- echoed by Judah, is a good one.
If I was going to hire someone to buy diamonds on our behalf, there's no way I'd consider anyone that did not have a lot of practical experience.
The only possible exception would be someone who knew nothing about it, and wanted to learn.
I can't say enough good things about the way people looking for the type of stones preferred here are assisted.
There are a group of professionals, who have real desire to participate.
Not only for commercial reasons- but because it's their passion.
Can't we all get along?
Sara- for many years, I was a traveling salesman- selling diamonds to jewelry stores.
I spent countless hours having to sit and wait... listening to the store owner- who I was waiting for- to sell a diamond.
I know you are correct about the fact that misrepresentation is rampant.
The basic education that I personally- feel is necessary about how to buy a really great diamond would have to do with the basic aspects of the financial , and physical aspects they need to know to purchase.
For example- educating shoppers about the importance of a GIA or AGSL lab report- and how it's a common tactic for sellers to use other, well known gem labs to misrepresent qualities.
It's possible to trade in diamonds with EGL reports, and maintain one's integrity, as a dealer. You simply need to have the ability to grade- or hire someone that does- grade the diamond to GIA standards and explain to the buyer that although EGL called it a J it's actually an L.
The basics of cut have to do with physical attributes. Again- demonstrated best with actual diamonds- but cameras can do a pretty decent job as well.
You are correct that it does go on Sara- I think the other professionals here would readily agree.
However- I'm sure that they could also name a lot of sellers- both online, and in stores- that have proven, over time, to be dedicated to providing transparency in the selling of diamonds. That is to say- letting the buyer know anything negative about the item they are aware of in their representation of it.
There's a lot of honest competent sellers out there among the multitudes of slimy ones.....
Let's not throw the baby out with the bathwater.......
Are you going to start putting down customers/consumers, too?Date: 7/27/2009 5:48:38 PM
Author: Serg
Date: 7/27/2009 3:59:00 PM
Author: strmrdr
Date: 7/27/2009 3:51:54 PM
Author: Rockdiamond
But standing up against such bias, and unjust dismissal of honest people''s businesses is very strong motivation.
I get the picture your here to protect the trade from all of us evil pricescopers by driving people away from here.
David Atlas,Garry
I hope these Karl and Moh posts could change your opinion about current landscape on PS.
PS is sick