will Obama be a good President?

[diamondseeker2006]

Starset, just remember that being a great speaker does not necessarily mean one is a great leader or has the experience to do a job. I remember Clinton talking for 8 years about health care reform and I certainly did not see that happen.

 

[MoonWater]

Date: 6/12/2008 5:13:10 PM
Author: diamondseeker2006
Starset, just remember that being a great speaker does not necessarily mean one is a great leader or has the experience to do a job. I remember Clinton talking for 8 years about health care reform and I certainly did not see that happen.

True. But some of us are basing our opinion of his ability to lead on his past achievements, not his speeches.

 

[diamondseeker2006]

Date: 6/12/2008 5:19:04 PM
Author: MoonWater

Date: 6/12/2008 5:13:10 PM
Author: diamondseeker2006
Starset, just remember that being a great speaker does not necessarily mean one is a great leader or has the experience to do a job. I remember Clinton talking for 8 years about health care reform and I certainly did not see that happen.

True. But some of us are basing our opinion of his ability to lead on his past achievements, not his speeches.

And that is totally valid, of course.

 

[FrekeChild]

I''m just having a good time catching up on what I missed while I was away have discussions on that silly bugger Marxy. Don''t mind me. I think someone injected me with happy juice today. I''m almost manic. And I haven''t even had any cookies or chocolate or anything at all today. Yippee!!

(And before it starts-no alcohol either-although I did just drown some chicken breasts in tequila-but I didn''t drink it!!!)

 

[FrekeChild]

Oh goodness, I found this to be hilarious from the Prez McCain thread regarding Condaleeza Rice being McCain''s VP:

Date: 6/12/2008 1:42:56 PM
Author: Starset Princess
HaHaHa - can you imagine?

I''m not voting for no emotional, tea party throwing feminist and I''m for sure not voting for a racist Muslim who doesn''t hold his hand over his heart during the National Anthem.

So McCain is elected president and dies on his first day in office.

Now, for the next four years, our Commander-in-Chief is a BLACK FEMALE.

Oh, the irony.

 

[HollyS]

I''m here FrekeChild.

I''m absolutely bummed about this election.

McCain is obviously an ass; and too damn old. Obama is as green (inexperienced) as they come, and surrounds himself with nitwits and rabble rousers.

I don''t want a President who would call his wife a "c" in private, let alone in public.; and I don''t want a First Lady who would tolerate it.

I don''t want a President who will not say the Pledge; and I don''t want a First Lady who, prior to her husband''s run for office, was "never proud of her country".

I never thought I would hear myself say "we would have been better off with Hillary."

But then, there was not one gosh-darned person who ran, in either camp, that had the balls, character, and personality to be the next president. Not one.

What we need is another Harry Truman.

 

[FrekeChild]

Yay! I''m glad you decided to join in!

Can you think of anyone in either party that you would have rather seen in either position?
Do you have a party affiliation? And have you decided who you''ll vote for, or write in a vote?

Feel free to answer or not...

 

[HollyS]

Date: 6/12/2008 7:04:55 PM
Author: FrekeChild
Yay! I''m glad you decided to join in!

Can you think of anyone in either party that you would have rather seen in either position?
Do you have a party affiliation? And have you decided who you''ll vote for, or write in a vote?

Feel free to answer or not...

I vote both sides of the fence. I vote for people; I vote for their ideas, their values, what they can bring to the process. I NEVER vote strictly along party lines. Neither party accurately reflects Americans and their core values, IMO. I''m not ultra-conservative. I''m never going to be left-wing liberal. Like most Americans, I''m slightly right of center. Meaning: 1) I don''t like big government, but recognize the need for intervention at times. 2) I don''t think the rich person down the block owes a bigger percentage of his paycheck than I do because he''s rich. 3) I''m not against immigration; but I expect them to become tax-paying Americans if they are here to stay. 4) I don''t believe every problem in the world is directly related to America and their current leader; I don''t really care if some third world country wants to blame us for their sorry state of affairs. And I don''t think we are responsible for seeing to it that they prosper. By the same token, we should be damn careful about where and when we decide to declare ourselves judge and jury, or Savior; we haven''t been any too smart about that lately.

 

[MoonWater]

http://my.barackobama.com/page/invite/patriot

off to grab a beer...

 

[FrekeChild]

Date: 6/12/2008 7:26:47 PM
Author: HollyS

Date: 6/12/2008 7:04:55 PM
Author: FrekeChild
Yay! I''m glad you decided to join in!
Can you think of anyone in either party that you would have rather seen in either position?
Do you have a party affiliation? And have you decided who you''ll vote for, or write in a vote?

Feel free to answer or not...

I vote both sides of the fence. I vote for people; I vote for their ideas, their values, what they can bring to the process. I NEVER vote strictly along party lines. Neither party accurately reflects Americans and their core values, IMO. I''m not ultra-conservative. I''m never going to be left-wing liberal. Like most Americans, I''m slightly right of center. Meaning: 1) I don''t like big government, but recognize the need for intervention at times. 2) I don''t think the rich person down the block owes a bigger percentage of his paycheck than I do because he''s rich. 3) I''m not against immigration; but I expect them to become tax-paying Americans if they are here to stay. 4) I don''t believe every problem in the world is directly related to America and their current leader; I don''t really care if some third world country wants to blame us for their sorry state of affairs. And I don''t think we are responsible for seeing to it that they prosper. By the same token, we should be damn careful about where and when we decide to declare ourselves judge and jury, or Savior; we haven''t been any too smart about that lately.

Oooo....I completely agree. Tell me, have you seen Team America: World Police? It''s pretty offensive, but awfully funny.

And I really think that there needs to be more than 2 parties, because you''re right, most of America isn''t Dem or Repub and they just choose one over the other depending on a few factors-but in my mind the main ones are-who their parents affiliated with and who their issues align the best with. Unfortunately I think a lot of Americans choose their parent''s party-and while that''s totally understandable being that they grew up with the values their parents instilled in them, they also need to be able to have their own opinions on issues and become educated on those issues...

I have a lot of issues and Marx is probably making it worse.

 

[miraclesrule]

I would seriously consider a consumption tax. It makes more sense to me than the taxation system we have now. Those who consume more would naturally pay more taxes and those that consume less would naturally pay less. But you can''t evade a consumption tax like you can evade tax loopholes. If you want to drive five cars...and can afford to....AWESOME, you should pay your fair share to maintain the roads you drive them on.

If you are a drug lord and can sleep at night knowing you are getting rich illegally, AWESOME, we still get your money because you can''t launder it any longer.

I you are a gazillionaire because you have the ingenuity and brains to invent a much needed product, AWESOME, the world is a better place because you kept the economy growing.

If you are struggling to raise your children alone because your husband was killed by a drunk driver who crashed into his taxi on his way home from the airport after a business trip....It''s nice to know that you won''t be unfairly taxed because your earnings only allow you to live modestly.

Consumption tax....something to think about. And God know, I love to think.

 

[swimmer]

Just wanted to share the new gallup Poll, Obama leading McCain after Senator Clinton stepped down. Zogby of course has more favorable numbers, but I like to look more to the center for accuracy. What polls do you follow?

 

[ladypirate]

I posted the NBC/WSJ poll the other day--same results. It''s looking promising--I just hope the trend continues over the next few months.

 

[FrekeChild]

Hey Moon. We''ve moved onto Weber. Wohoo!!!!! So talk about how capitalism was developed is in my immediate future...

 

[ksinger]

Date: 6/12/2008 4:17:28 PM
Author: MoonWater
begin threadjack/

CONGRATULATIONS ON GETTING MARRIED KAREN! It was last Thursday correct? How were the margaritas? Man I''d kill for one right now.

/end threadjack

begin threadjack response/
OK....this 24+ hour turnaround is just weird. How on earth do I keep missing you?

Thank you very much. Yes, it was last Thursday. The wedding was short and sweet, with my mom, his dad and the judge who married us. And in no time at all we were back home doing our usual stuff. Because of a goof in the most recent phone book, and us not calling before we got to the place where the ceremony was going to be performed, we missed dinner at the 4-star restaurant we had planned on that evening. We did make it the next though, and it was fabulous, as always. The only fly in the ointment was the loud and obnoxious birthday party of the man whose son is a MD that I went to a couple of times. A brute of a man, actually. So while they screeched and bellowed we made our way through a stellar meal. The meal trumped all.

The margaritas are NEXT month. But the friend who gave me the recipe made them for us this weekend, and they were as amazing as usual. MMMM!!!

Oh, and BTW, because I realized I was spending too much time here, (and that''s not a slam, merely an observation that some of this time would be better spent), with your urging in my brain, I was driven to finally start "The Origins of Totalitarianism". I''m only about 15 pages in, plus the weighty intro of 6 pages. It is VERY dense, and takes much digesting. Not a quick read, nor one that can be read with any inattention. So far she''s making the case for the odd, placelessness of the Jews as the setup for her chapter on antisemitism. Great stuff.
See, you''re a good influence!

/end threadjack response

 

[Erin]

Date: 6/12/2008 7:00:08 PM
Author: HollyS
Obama is as green (inexperienced) as they come, and surrounds himself with nitwits and rabble rousers.

What we need is another Harry Truman.

For the record, Harry Truman was considered green/inexperienced.

 

[luckystar112]

Truman completed a term.

 

[Dancing Fire]

Date: 6/14/2008 1:17:05 PM
Author: luckystar112
Truman completed a term.

i like Harry S Truman. he saved many lives on both sides by using nuclear weapons against Japan.

 

[HollyS]

Date: 6/14/2008 12:02:18 PM
Author: Starset Princess

Date: 6/12/2008 7:00:08 PM
Author: HollyS
Obama is as green (inexperienced) as they come, and surrounds himself with nitwits and rabble rousers.

What we need is another Harry Truman.

For the record, Harry Truman was considered green/inexperienced.

What? You don't have an issue with the latter part of my statement?

No rebuttal?

 

[Erin]

Date: 6/16/2008 11:38:29 AM
Author: HollyS

Date: 6/14/2008 12:02:18 PM
Author: Starset Princess

Date: 6/12/2008 7:00:08 PM
Author: HollyS
Obama is as green (inexperienced) as they come, and surrounds himself with nitwits and rabble rousers.

What we need is another Harry Truman.

For the record, Harry Truman was considered green/inexperienced.

What? You don''t have an issue with the latter part of my statement?

No rebuttal?

Nope. I only responded to the factual statement

 

[MoonWater]

http://www.theroot.com/id/46867

 

[Selkie]

Finally. Couldn''t expect Snopes.com to keep up with all the ridiculous rumors:

Fight the Smears

 

[MoonWater]

Let''s start spreading rumors people!! http://www.slate.com/id/2193798/

 

[Erin]

Barack Obama''s skin is the color of AMERICAN SOIL.

That''s funny.

 

[ladypirate]

So what do you all think about Obama going back on his word about taking public funds for his campaign? I can understand why he did it, but it still bothers me that he''d do that...

 

[Rank Amateur]

Date: 6/19/2008 6:06:52 PM
Author: ladypirate
So what do you all think about Obama going back on his word about taking public funds for his campaign? I can understand why he did it, but it still bothers me that he''d do that...

No surprise. Obama is no better or worse than all the other highly ambitious career politicians out there.

 

[MoonWater]

Date: 6/19/2008 6:06:52 PM
Author: ladypirate
So what do you all think about Obama going back on his word about taking public funds for his campaign? I can understand why he did it, but it still bothers me that he'd do that...

I think it's a non-issue. I never thought he should do it in the first place. He's about to battle with a party that is known for being insanely dirty, including against their own (as McCain should know). He should NEVER even THINK of giving them an advantage. This election isn't just about him, it's about everyone that's invested in him. As an investor, I want him to use the money *I* gave him to help him win.

ETA: And after reading the exact quote of what he wrote regarding the issue, I realized he NEVER committed to public financing in the first place.

 

[LAJennifer]

Date: 6/19/2008 7:58:40 PM
Author: MoonWater

Date: 6/19/2008 6:06:52 PM
Author: ladypirate
So what do you all think about Obama going back on his word about taking public funds for his campaign? I can understand why he did it, but it still bothers me that he''d do that...

I think it''s a non-issue. I never thought he should do it in the first place. He''s about to battle with a party that is known for being insanely dirty, including against their own (as McCain should know). He should NEVER even THINK of giving them an advantage. This election isn''t just about him, it''s about everyone that''s invested in him. As an investor, I want him to use the money *I* gave him to help him win.

ETA: And after reading the exact quote of what he wrote regarding the issue, I realized he NEVER committed to public financing in the first place.

This is true of every candidate.

 

[MoonWater]

Then there should be no problem. Oh wait, Obama has more investors.

 

[LAJennifer]

Date: 6/19/2008 8:23:06 PM
Author: MoonWater
Then there should be no problem. Oh wait, Obama has more investors.

What if the flip side were true - I''m sure he would still be touting public funding.

Considering his message and platform, I just think he should practice what he is preaching. He is all for public funding - until it doesn''t suit his best interest. But, I totally understand why you feel he shouldn''t have done it in the first place. Surely he knew what he was getting into before declaring a candidacy. I honestly don''t view this any differently than Clinton going after the Michigan/Florida delegates. She was all for not counting the delegates . . . until it no longer suited her best interest. Politics - as usual.