will Obama be a good President?

[FrekeChild]

Date: 6/24/2008 6:22:42 PM
Author: katamari
Hi Freke--

Long delay--crazy times at the office. I am a sociology grad student, so Classical Social Theory sounds like heaven to me. But, so does a day off without homework.

Barack the Vote!

Hi katamari!
BF is a Sociology grad student as well. What are you concentrating on? He''s the one who talked me into taking this class, partially because I have to, but whatever.

I''m not a happy camper taking it at the moment, but only 4 days left! (Monday-Thursday next week-he gave us tomorrow off!!!)

 

[katamari]

Long delay again. . . Too much work, perhaps

Anyways, I took my comps in stratification and economic sociology. I do research on how credit policy impacts social class in the U.S. Probably bores most people, but I like it. You are in Psych, right? You and your BF probably have some good structure versus agency debates.

Congrats on finishing your course tomorrow!

Hopefully you can enjoy the rest of your summer.

 

[FrekeChild]

He canceled it tomorrow so I'm am done!!!!Finished with the microinteractionist tradition. WOHOO!!!!I'm THRILLED!!!It's been a rotten stress-filled month. Next month is Psych Research Methods-so at least I'm back in my field!!!Yay!!!

Can you tell I'm happy?

What do you do now katamari? (That is, if you don't mind me asking!)

 

[katamari]

Yay! Congrats Freke! Theory courses are a ton of work, so when it isn''t completely in your area, they can be taxing.

I am working on my PhD. Right now, I am trying to work on some publications so I can get an academic career. And, then next academic year I have to finish (oh yeah, and start) my dissertation. My dissertation is on consumption and stratification (how do rising inequality and rising standards of living impact one another).

Are you going to go to grad school after you finish?

 

[katamari]

Oh, if you were looking for the simple answer, I am just a grad student. I teach, which gives me funding (which I am fully appreciative of), so I don''t have to work a ''real job'' while I am in school. I mainly teach inequality courses.

 

[FrekeChild]

Yeah theory is...no comment. We''ll just say I''m happy that Psych doesn''t have a lot of that type stuff. Of course that means we have a lot of science-y stuff, but I prefer that over theory and stats.

Nope. I''m not going to grad school. Uh uh. No way. I''m a weenie, and grad school seems painful. PLUS, I have no interest in continuing because it''s not something I want to continue pursuing for long term career goals. Perhaps if I were 21/22 and about to graduate in a year THEN I MIGHT consider it, but I''m too old for this cr4p. And I just don''t want to do it for the rest of my life-I like cooking and more creative outlets more. So you can see why theory is especially painful for me. Lol. But still not as bad as stats.

What did you get your undergrad in?

 

[katamari]

Soc and Stats (lol--seriously, though). So, I don''t know if I love the theory or the stats more.

And, I totally understand about needing the creative outlet. Grad school has definitely taken the creativity out of me. Now, I am all data, all the time. Plus, I also think if I didn''t go when I was younger (23), I would have never went either. It is hard to give 6-8 years of your life to something, but years seem to get much more valuable the older I get. I am hoping to finish before I am 31, but we will see. . .

Plus, I think it is good to be in a relationship with one non-academic. It keeps you both grounded and realizing how much more there is to life.

 

[FrekeChild]

BF is all about stats too!!! Lol. When do you think you''ll finish your PhD?

Grad school is hard core. I just can''t keep working on papers for YEARS the way it seems like all of the grad students do.

And video games are good for keeping him semi-grounded too. Heh.

 

[katamari]

I have two more years. Boo! Is your BF done soon?

 

[Diamond Confused]

I think he''s a charasmatic man and that''s why he''s winning people over. In reality though, what are his achievements? Seriously, this is an honest question, and I am not trying to be sarcastic. Can someone please tell me what he has accomplished that meakes him so great?

 

[MoonWater]

Date: 8/21/2008 5:26:19 PM
Author: Diamond Confused
I think he's a charasmatic man and that's why he's winning people over. In reality though, what are his achievements? Seriously, this is an honest question, and I am not trying to be sarcastic. Can someone please tell me what he has accomplished that meakes him so great?

This article was located on page 5 of this thread: http://www.cbc.ca/world/story/2008/06/04/f-obama-biography.html

There's probably more about his accomplishments discussed in this thread as well. There is another thread about him in this part of the forum. I highly recommend doing a search on PS and/or using google. The information has always been easy for me to find, I'm not sure why other people have a hard time. Oh, and whether he's "great" or not is a matter of opinion. However, he has done some admirable things IMO.

 

[Diamond Confused]

Date: 8/22/2008 9:17:54 AM
Author: MoonWater

Date: 8/21/2008 5:26:19 PM
Author: Diamond Confused
I think he''s a charasmatic man and that''s why he''s winning people over. In reality though, what are his achievements? Seriously, this is an honest question, and I am not trying to be sarcastic. Can someone please tell me what he has accomplished that meakes him so great?

This article was located on page 5 of this thread: http://www.cbc.ca/world/story/2008/06/04/f-obama-biography.html

There''s probably more about his accomplishments discussed in this thread as well. There is another thread about him in this part of the forum. I highly recommend doing a search on PS and/or using google. The information has always been easy for me to find, I''m not sure why other people have a hard time. Oh, and whether he''s ''great'' or not is a matter of opinion. However, he has done some admirable things IMO.

The website talk about his life accomplishments. I want to know what he has done while a senator. Basically what makes him qualified to be president.

 

[MoonWater]

Well I''m one of those people that believe your entire life of accomplishments need to be taken into consideration before you become President. But I will repeat, there is another thread about him here with info about his accomplishments while in public office, do a search. It can also be found on his website and on his senate site. More information can be found via google. I mean, I could regurgitate it but it seems silly when the info has already been posted. I feel like if people truly want to know, they''ll look at the most obvious locations.

 

[innerkitten]

I thought this was going to be a poll.
I''m voting for him so I sure hope so.

 

[tenfour]

Date: 6/12/2008 4:41:25 PM
Author: LiveLaughLove
I have no good reasons besides I feel like he is phony; and sometimes when he talks I feel like he thinks this country is going to be a great and happy place with rainbows, ponies, and chocolate chip cookies. In conclusion.... I feel like he is making many promises and statements, that he is going to be able to follow through with or accomplish. He is giving the American people false hope and false peace!

did somebody say chocolate chip cookies?? mmmmmmmmmm...cookies. send the man to canada, thanks.

 

[diamondfan]

I think he could be a great president at some point, I just do not see it now.

I think the frenzy and making him out to be a rock star or celebrity is silly. He has the charisma but lacks the gravitas and political experience to be President now.

I also think he is trying to hard, aren''t I hip and progressive and so going to be what this country needs...I just have a tough time buying that. It feels forced and contrived to me.

And that is not to say I think McCain is the answer either.

 

[HollyS]

Date: 8/22/2008 2:50:11 PM
Author: Diamond Confused

Date: 8/22/2008 9:17:54 AM
Author: MoonWater

Date: 8/21/2008 5:26:19 PM
Author: Diamond Confused
I think he''s a charasmatic man and that''s why he''s winning people over. In reality though, what are his achievements? Seriously, this is an honest question, and I am not trying to be sarcastic. Can someone please tell me what he has accomplished that meakes him so great?

This article was located on page 5 of this thread: http://www.cbc.ca/world/story/2008/06/04/f-obama-biography.html

There''s probably more about his accomplishments discussed in this thread as well. There is another thread about him in this part of the forum. I highly recommend doing a search on PS and/or using google. The information has always been easy for me to find, I''m not sure why other people have a hard time. Oh, and whether he''s ''great'' or not is a matter of opinion. However, he has done some admirable things IMO.

The website talk about his life accomplishments. I want to know what he has done while a senator. Basically what makes him qualified to be president.

He looks good. He sounds good.

It''s all about image.

You aren''t really going to worry about qualifications, are you? Well, okay. He''s done exactly nothing. Except show up at the last convention, give a pretty speech, get people talking, interest the liberal media, and get the ball rolling for his own personal ''road to the White House'' agenda. He has spent the majority of his first years after election to Congress promoting himself as a presidential candidate. Those are
his ''qualifications'' in a nutshell.

I don''t know about you, but I''m rushing right out to vote for him based on his ''accomplishments''.

And, since this thread has been dominated by Dems since June, and they have discussed ''ad nauseum'' just why they like this ''image in a suit'', I don''t think we need to rehash it. Anyone who wants the opposite viewpoint can go back to the beginning of this thread.

 

[CrookedRock]

Interesting thread...

My answer to the OP is... NO! Not at all.
Although, once again I fel forced to pick between to evils. This is starting to wear on me. But I got news for ya... I'm not interested in going through a depression which is exactly what will happen if he gets elected.

My new quote says it all! (read below) Then learn about that man!

 

[movie zombie]

the financial crisis we face will exist and get worse no matter who is elected.

movie zombie

 

[diamondfan]

Holly, that is what amazes me. I am not saying McCain is the answer, far from it.

But when I see Obama on the cover of Rolling Stone and he is in US magazine all of the time I just think we have lost sight of the depth of the job he is trying to be chosen for. Our country, though it is the best place to be overall and I would not live anywhere else permanently, is clearly in a bad state for a variety of reasons. This is not the role for someone with precious little serious experience and the aura of a celebrity. I think he is someone who in the future can be a comer, but not now. I do not feel he has the depth of experience to run this country. Our national security issues are complex and our reputation globally is in a shambles...and I simply do not see him rising to it. This is not the job for a lighter weight persona right now.

 

[CrookedRock]

Date: 8/26/2008 11:20:14 AM
Author: movie zombie
the financial crisis we face will exist and get worse no matter who is elected.

movie zombie

Oh, I agree if you are speaking of the two people we have to choose from, I just know it will be far worse with Obama. But don''t think there aren''t people out there trying to change this... It''s just that these 2 aren''t.

 

[MoonWater]

Date: 8/26/2008 8:33:30 AM
Author: HollyS

Date: 8/22/2008 2:50:11 PM
Author: Diamond Confused

Date: 8/22/2008 9:17:54 AM
Author: MoonWater

Date: 8/21/2008 5:26:19 PM
Author: Diamond Confused
I think he''s a charasmatic man and that''s why he''s winning people over. In reality though, what are his achievements? Seriously, this is an honest question, and I am not trying to be sarcastic. Can someone please tell me what he has accomplished that meakes him so great?

This article was located on page 5 of this thread: http://www.cbc.ca/world/story/2008/06/04/f-obama-biography.html

There''s probably more about his accomplishments discussed in this thread as well. There is another thread about him in this part of the forum. I highly recommend doing a search on PS and/or using google. The information has always been easy for me to find, I''m not sure why other people have a hard time. Oh, and whether he''s ''great'' or not is a matter of opinion. However, he has done some admirable things IMO.

The website talk about his life accomplishments. I want to know what he has done while a senator. Basically what makes him qualified to be president.

He looks good. He sounds good.

It''s all about image.

You aren''t really going to worry about qualifications, are you? Well, okay. He''s done exactly nothing. Except show up at the last convention, give a pretty speech, get people talking, interest the liberal media, and get the ball rolling for his own personal ''road to the White House'' agenda. He has spent the majority of his first years after election to Congress promoting himself as a presidential candidate. Those are
his ''qualifications'' in a nutshell.

I don''t know about you, but I''m rushing right out to vote for him based on his ''accomplishments''.

And, since this thread has been dominated by Dems since June, and they have discussed ''ad nauseum'' just why they like this ''image in a suit'', I don''t think we need to rehash it. Anyone who wants the opposite viewpoint can go back to the beginning of this thread.

indeed.

 

[HollyS]

MoonWater:

Just for your general information, I didn't vote for either candidate in the primary. And, I didn't vote Republican. So, eyeroll all you want; you still don't know as much as you think you do about my politcal savvy or lack thereof. You're lumping me into a stereotype that fits your idea of who you think I am.

And, the "

Indeed" just proves that you don't value others' opinions unless they match your own. By contrast, I spoke mine, and referred others to the first posts if they disagreed with me. I also never posted a disrespectful post when the rest of you had your original 'Obama-fest'. Pity you couldn't do the same.

 

[AGBF]

Date: 8/26/2008 8:46:02 AM

Author: CrookedRock

I'm not interested in going through a depression which is exactly what will happen if he gets elected.

Although I have been active in some of the threads in this forum, this thread has not been one of them. Whom do you think will start a depression (I am assuming you refer to a financial depression) if he is elected president? What policies do you feel he will enact that will cause this? Why do you feel we are not already in one?

I am not a financial person and I know that there was considerable discussion about whether the country was technically in a recession or not, but I thought that as of now all the strictest criteria for the word, "recession" had been met.

When we were on vacation my husband was glued to the televison; his blackberry; and his laptop watching Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac dissolve. He is, as I have said many times in these fora (where I am known to be a liberal Democrat), a conservative Republican. In fact, by profession he is a banker although he is currently working for the Federal Reserve Board. (Do you know the joke about the Republican banker and the heart transplant?)

If my husband is alarmed, I believe there is cause for alarm! There is no need to blame anyone else who is yet to be elected for the current financial woes of the United States!

Deborah

 

[MoonWater]

Date: 8/26/2008 12:21:04 PM
Author: HollyS
MoonWater:

Just for your general information, I didn''t vote for either candidate in the primary. And, I didn''t vote Republican. So, eyeroll all you want; you still don''t know as much as you think you do about my politcal savvy or lack thereof. You''re lumping me into a stereotype that fits your idea of who you think I am.

And, the ''

Indeed'' just proves that you don''t value others'' opinions unless they match your own. By contrast, I spoke mine, and referred others to the first posts if they disagreed with me. I also never posted a disrespectful post when the rest of you had your original ''Obama-fest''. Pity you couldn''t do the same.

LOL stop assuming. My reaction was simply to your summary of his accomplishments. I have no idea about your political views nor did I claim such. Really, how did you get all that from an emoticon?

As far as me proving that I don''t value the opinions that differ from mine, here''s another

. I don''t care that you don''t agree with me, I just think the snark you use every single time you choose to talk about the man is silly.

 

[CrookedRock]

Hi AGBF~ I do belive Obama is not the change that this country needs. Not all change is good, that''s not to say that what''s going on is good either. I don''t personally believe that Obama understands what it takes to enact all the promises he has made, such as his Health Care plan. Bottom Line it that there isn''t money to fund these things (and many things we are already doing), and we have to stop creating it out of thin air.

I am with you in believing that this country is in a recession. I said that over 6 months ago.

I too watched the Fannie/Freddie drama along with the Bear Stearns fiasco. Things aren''t looking up if you ask me.
Let me clarify though... I am not blaming anyone not yet elected for what is happening now. I am just predicting what I think will happen if he does get elected. And trust me, I would love to eat my words a year from now! I just don''t see it happening

 

[HollyS]

MW:

Here we go again. Everytime you call someone out on their own 'tude', they call you a snark.

But, instead of letting this escalate into a thread hijack, I'll just say: My bad. For having an opinion, for expressing an opinion, for expecting civility, for thinking we could actually say what we think about nearly any subject, in whatever manner we chose -- sarcastic or not, without asking for permission from other posters.

I'll be sure to ask next time, before I post. Gosh, I don't want to seem . . . silly. Or golly, even . . . snarky. I'd hate to think that others didn't like me because of the way I post.

Since this is obviously your thread, I'll leave quietly now and let you get back to the coronation of King Obama.

 

[MoonWater]

Holly, is it really that serious? I mean, in the grand scheme of life, really?

Why are you overreacting? I am suppose to allow you your opinion and your post no matter the snark (and frankly I love snarky, I am snarky, I just find it odd that it's every time you talk about him. It's like he killed your dog or something), but I post my reply and you make this big ordeal of it. Seems a bit hypocritical, doncha think? I mean surely I should be allowed to respond "in whatever manner chose -- sarcastic or not, without asking for permission from other posters."

And again, I made absolutely no assumptions about you and you can't even admit that much. Keep playing the victim if that works for ya.

 

[HollyS]

Date: 8/26/2008 1:22:18 PM
Author: MoonWater
Holly, is it really that serious? I mean, in the grand scheme of life, really?

Why are you overreacting? I am suppose to allow you your opinion and your post no matter the snark (and frankly I love snarky, I am snarky, I just find it odd that it''s every time you talk about him. It''s like he killed your dog or something), but I post my reply and you make this big ordeal of it. Seems a bit hypocritical, doncha think? I mean surely I should be allowed to respond ''in whatever manner chose -- sarcastic or not, without asking for permission from other posters.''

And again, I made absolutely no assumptions about you and you can''t even admit that much. Keep playing the victim if that works for ya.

Well, we could continue with several rounds of "Whatever!", but I don''t think that would serve any purpose other than to annoy everyone else on the thread. Let''s agree to stay on subject.

 

[MoonWater]

LOL, wow. I am amazed. Besides the fact that this thread is old as heck and I doubt anyone cares, there is no need for any rounds of whatever. You made false assumptions about what I thought, defended yourself to a posting of an emoticon, voiced that you had a right to post as you choose while criticising how I posted, and you can't even admit you were you were both wrong and hypocritical. Amazing. But I'll let it go, maybe you're having a bad day.
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