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  1. daydreamer24
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    by daydreamer24 » Sep 7, 2019
    Do you still prefer the F after seeing the photos provided by Whiteflash?
     
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    I do think the first picture I posted of my diamond showing the yellow colour is mainly due to the light bulb and shade. I’ve since changed it and I haven’t seen that strong a yellow in my diamond since. I still see yellow tint in some indoor lightings but otherwise very white. I was ok with that slight tint at first but I think due to having been scared and freaked out about the shocking yellow colour, it’s put me off any hint of yellow tint. Which I feel really sad about because the diamond was picked by my fiancé and the proportions, clarity, fire and brilliance of the diamond is absolutely stunning!
     
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    by LightBright » Sep 7, 2019
    Hi, to be honest, I think all three diamonds are pretty! Are you sure the order is correct? The first diamond looks whiter to me from the profile and the second two look like the same color... This goes to show how “minute” the differences are. So, honestly, I’d order a video showing all three stones together in two different kinds of light, then decide if changing your current stone is worth it to you. This is only my opinion.
     
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  4. RunningwithScissors
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    by RunningwithScissors » Sep 7, 2019
    My D glows icy white, no matter what color temperature lighting it is in.

    I can't speak for E's and F's, but my guess is they'd be similar to my D in appearing white in all lighting situations.

    This is EXACTLY why I said on another thread to tread VERY cautiously if you are buying outside the Colorless range and:
    1) can't see your diamond IN PERSON before you buy it (I'm a trained photographer and the color you see in a photo has no bearing on the actual color of the object in the photo)
    2) don't truly know (in depth) your own color sensitivity and preference.

    People on this forum boast that "H-I-J" colors are "white." They may be beautiful diamonds and suit a person's preference, but they are most certainly NOT white.
     
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    by lovedogs » Sep 7, 2019
    I'm not sure many of us think that H/I/J are "white" when compared to a D/E/F, but certainly lots of us think that super ideal cut H/I colors can face up quite white for people who aren't super color sensitive. Many people will see tint in a J, especially in non super ideal cuts and/or bigger sizes.

    I tend to advise new posters that anything up to G will look very white to the vast majority of people. Obviously not everyone, but most.
     
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    Wow this is one of the most beautiful diamonds I have ever seen. Can you please share the specs?

     
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    by cj2be » Sep 7, 2019
    The H is my favorite out of the 3. You can definitely see a bit of a color difference in the second picture, but I like the slightly thinner LGF’s and it has the best contrast in my opinion. I’m color sensitive but I would still pick the H for the same reasons you just gave. Also keep in mind you won’t be visually comparing your diamond with higher colors when it’s on your finger. And don’t feel bad about exchanging already. I had 3 different diamonds within 4 months of getting engaged

     
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    by daydreamer24 » Sep 7, 2019
    Thank you! That is helpful to hear. I know all diamonds need to be assessed on its own. But it’s reassuring to hear SI1s can be eye clean / eye clean at a 6” distance, and that TWs are sometimes difficult to see.

    Hopefully I get my response from WF on Monday will be that the inclusion is so minute that I can be comfortable with it. For some reason I do feel more drawn to it....maybe because I think the proportions are more “ideal for me” than my current diamond... I know that with a colour upgrade I will get a better colour, but I don’t want to get a diamond that performs not as well as I would like than my current as in I don’t want to sacrifice on cut....
     
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    Yes that’s the order. The G on the left has the TW that cuts through a few of the arrows and the H an inclusion in the centre but it’s not visible to the naked eye.
    Ohhhh that’s a great idea about the video..... Althoigh I have already sent multiple emails with
    continuous questions about the most pedantic questions.. :oops2:
     
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    by daydreamer24 » Sep 7, 2019
    Thank you @RunningwithScissors. For any newbie deciding on the colour they think they may be comfortable with, I think the view is generally that super ideal cuts in HIJ colour can face up really really white. Which I agree with but depending on what lighting there is.

    when I am outdoors I swear my I is beaming with white light... it’s as if it is projecting the light. I feel so happy and proud of my diamond in those moments. Indoors without lighting (only natural daylight) it is also white to me, it’s not as icy as it is outside but I don’t see tint, but as soon as I’m indoors with any light (not sure if it’s also daylight white lighting) I see tint, and in some really dim/yellow lighting I see the deep yellow colour which Makes me not even want to look at my diamond.. I do see less of that now since I changed the light bulb and shade in my living room but I think it’s a mindclean thing as now I know my diamond CAN look like THAT even though I rarely see it now...

    This is just my observation of an I and I do now think I’m colour sensitive as my fiancé says he doesn’t see what I see..., except the shocking yellow (just slightly!)
     
    


    


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    Interesting. I too like the contrast on the H, and another winning factor for me is that it is completely eye clean. However I personally prefer fatter arrows so always get excited by 76% LGF. Also I’ve looked at the second comparison picture again and again and I see the tint in it compared to the F next to it... I just don’t know whether one colour jump will leave me completely satisfied....
     
  12. Wewechew
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    by Wewechew » Sep 7, 2019
    @daydreamer24 I would strongly encourage you to go up two full color grades
     
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    Thanks @Wewechew. I too suspect I need that too, I guess my decision is whether to sacrifice on eye clean (the G) or a bit on size and also a slight visible inclusion (the F).
     
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    by Wewechew » Sep 7, 2019
    I will tell you I prefer the G, but that’s got to be your call.
     
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    Is that on the basis of my preference to get the biggest size I can and the difference between a F and a G not being that great whereas it’s already 2 colours higher than my I? :razz:
     
    


    


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    by gregchang35 » Sep 7, 2019
    It sounds like you are working out your tolerances. I believe you have a short window left.

    You mentioned the ideal proportions and inclusion plot is an H. For me, I can see a tint in the H. Are you able to make the comparison with your I stone images that you got before?

    However, you are most sensitive to colour. This is your biggest C that I think you cannot compromise one.

    I haven’t had time to look for stones, only time to put some thoughts down on paper.

    I would stop looking at any other stones that are not F colour. Your window of opportunity is getting smaller. Focus on what is your biggest C concern- the F colour. Nothing less than that.

    Then your clarity is next.

    Size is important but they are all within a few small mm. Being your first diamond purchase it is daunting and lots to take in.

    FWIW- most ppl in PS have learned with a FEW diamonds, what their tolerances are. It’s a journey!!! Hahah someone say upgrade????

    For now work in that zone described above and don’t get distracted with G colour.
     
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    by Wewechew » Sep 7, 2019
    I prefer the proportions on the G. Also, I’m enough color sensitive I can see tint in H, but can’t in a G. Add in you wouldn’t be giving up size...

    BUT it may be more important to you to have a colorless stone.
     
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    by Wewechew » Sep 7, 2019
    I miss that diamond. It was beautiful.

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  19. Tekate
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    by Tekate » Sep 7, 2019
    My stone is an I and it's white. I wear bifocals etc, I see no tint in my stone. I can see a person seeing something more than I can I suppose but as to the average person who sees my ring they see a brilliant ACA stone that is white.

    https://www.whiteflash.com/loose-diamonds/round-cut-loose-diamond-4045357.htm my stone.

    here's an ACA F color

    https://www.whiteflash.com/loose-diamonds/round-cut-loose-diamond-3979464.htm

    I think if a person sees yellow they see it and they should move up colorless to get there where they don't see enough color to bother them. I've had a D color VVS2 oval 1.01 oval cut diamond once and it was icy white, like a piece of ice except for the damn bow tie, which I found annoying, I would have preferred K colored oval with no bowtie because that is more imporant to me (I upgraded to a 1.63 I color MRB AGS2 back in 88). So it's all what is acceptable to me or you or the OP. I would much prefer an ACA or HPD diamond with a higher table that is well cut and gives off a show of color and light vs a D colored diamond - that's more important for me. A great diamond, with great numbers rather than a D color, but that is me.

     
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  20. headlight
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    by headlight » Sep 7, 2019
    @RunningwithScissors I know what you are saying, exactly (in all points). My E glows icy white, as well, irregardless of environment. As I’ve mentioned in other posts, it’s as if it’s lit from within.
    The element you raised regarding what things look like on a screen versus in person is so true (as I’ve come to discover when shopping for things like upholstered furniture!).
    STILL waiting to see the photos of your stunner (or did I miss it?)!
    I’ think H still appears more toward the colorless side, just perhaps not as bright. I think I color is where a little warmth is “felt”.
     
  21. dreamer_dachsie
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    by dreamer_dachsie » Sep 7, 2019
    I think you are barreling forward without first gathering the necessary objective evidence to justify a trade. You don't currently have any evidence that a less tinted diamond will look "whiter" in the specific lighting environment that is causing you to dislike your current diamond. That doesn't seem like a good plan to me. You need to see how a colorless diamond looks in that same lighting before you conclude that trading your diamond is the way to go.

    FWIW I agree with others that what you are seeing is reflection of the environment, not "tint", and you are feeding your color anxiety by even using that terminology at all.
     
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    I would strongly consider that you may not see a difference once you get a higher-color diamond. Take the diamonds at the jewelry store to a window, even if an employee has to hold them, bring a sheet of paper or white box, a flashlight with a warm bulb, set up your own little lightbox, etc. It would suck for you to go through all this only to find out it's entirely environmental, and to get a more-included stone or a stone that is noticeably smaller and have to exchange again.

    I agree with @dreamer_dachsie that the real test is seeing a colorless diamond in that environment - I'd start out just buying a CZ ring of the right size. Easily findable on Amazon with one-day shipping. Unless you have a friend or family member whose diamond you know is colorless who you can invite over. Then view them side-by-side in a number of different lighting environments (be sure they're equally clean) and see.
     
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    Thank you @distracts and @dreamer_dachsie. I understand what you are both saying. unfortunately I dont have anyone to ask to compare diamonds and also I’ve looked in stores and asked to step away from the lighting... (even went into their little store room at the back and also under their internal staircase where there was no direct light under the staircase), but I wasn’t able to see any difference in colour between H and I, but I was able to see with a D and an I. Then it all became a blur of the in between colours.


    I agree for the “strong yellow” colour (ie. the picture in my first post) that it is mainly environment driven, because since changing my living room light bulb and the shade and also cleaned my diamond, I’ve not seen that yellow colour ever since! :)

    However the “tint” was there from day one... it didn’t bother me at first and was (and is) only visible in most indoor environments where there is indoor lighting no natural daylight... it didn’t bother me at first but bothers me now and I’m not sure if it’s due to (1) I’ve been put off any tint due to having witnessed the yellow colour - even though I don’t see it anymore, (2) I was too bothered about the strong yellow to care about the slight tint, or (3) over time It just bothers me.

    I do see the differences between the I/H and the F/Gs from the pictures sent by Whiteflash... especially when compared side by side.

    I’m not disputing what either of you have said - in fact, I think it’s very valid points you raise and I can’t think of anything worse than going through all this and waiting to get a new diamond only to see the colour is not what I’m after and having to sacrifice on other Cs. But based on what I’ve explained above, does it sound like I’m coming to the right analysis that I do need a colour jump?

    Having read all the responses on this thread, I do believe the yellow and tint is partially due to the I colour but mostly the environment.... and there’s only so many environments I can change (my own home), so I want to do what I can to prevent myself from seeing the tint and getting put off my diamond... so it seems upgrading the diamond colour is something I could help to change...

    I’m not contesting to what u say, so please do share any further thoughts or suggestions. Really do appreciate it!!!
     
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    by Tekate » Sep 8, 2019
    Totally disagree, I have an I and I don't see any warmth at all ever, IF I am wearing a brown or yellow shirt or if I'm in a room with color I do get a refection back. I have had a D color and if I were in a brown room, it had a color a bit to it I believe that is what diamonds do. Maybe some diamonds that are H or I are really K-L? I dunno, but having a ACA in a I color is near to complete colorless for me. But my mileage can vary from others.


     
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    buy all 3!!!:dance: You can tell your fiance it's for scientific research....:lol:

    Also, when I was waffling between stones, HPD had a "see it at home" program where they'll send you the diamond to see for 7 days without withdrawing the funds from your account (though I believe the funds are held). Once you return the diamond, the hold is released. Perhaps WF can do something similar with your two top contenders (sounds like the G and the F)?
     
  26. headlight
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    Totally fair !
     
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    I tried this out today at the hotel I was staying in. They had yellow drapes so I ran over to put my G color MRB next to it. Depending on the way the sun hit it and how close I put it next to the curtain I did see a bit of yellow. When I walked away from the drape the color disappeared. I also put it next to other colors and I didn’t see it take on that color. I’ve never seen it do that and I have the diamond fifteen years. I’m not around yellow that much so that can explain it. The drape was a marigold yellow so very saturated.
     
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    From the input from everyone, it seems as though the impact from colors in the surroundings have a stronger influence as we go down the color scale.
    True/false? Thoughts?
     
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    2.18 E-VS1 CBI on the left
    2.79 F-VS1 CBI on the right
    Both on a diamond tray.
    I think that the stone on the left is whiter.

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    Diamond body tint is an objective characteristic of the material. I am not claiming there is no difference in body color. I am simply saying that environment has a large effect on how we perceived color, as do our expectations and biases. Just food for thought. Do whatever makes you feel good. Personally I'd just keep your diamond and find other ways to deal with the anxiety about color! lol!
     

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