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msop04

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Colour is a REALLY subjective thing some people actually don't notice it much at all and all some people see is the colour..... so honestly you have to work out what she or you can or can't live with first colourwise and go from there on the size versus budget....

Most people start noticing colour around a J/K however some people really notice it at around an I and a small number of people notice it at a H..... and then there are those that unless the stone is overly yellow or tinted don't notice it at all.
I agree with arkie... she needs to see GIA diamonds of around the same size in I/J/K colors to know for sure. And NOT UNDER THE JEWELER'S LIGHTS - under regular bulbs and sunlight if possible.

On color... Personally, I am not very color sensitive. I have a 3.33 ct I, and it looks white enough for me. I had a 2.43 J before, and it would've been too tinted for me in a solitaire (it was set in a halo, so faced up white enough). I wouldn't go below J, unless she has seen it with her eyes and is good with it - esp since there's no upgrade in the future.

ETA: color is more saturated in larger stones, so a 1ct J may be totally white enough for her... hell, a K could as well! But she needs to see it.
 

arkieb1

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I'd also point out that two of the styles of settings you have selected lend themselves to Antique cut diamonds, there are new perfectly cut old cuts as well. And, I personally have always found them more forgiving or acceptable colourwise in mid and lower colours than round brilliants are, like this stone;

 

msop04

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I'd also point out that two of the styles of settings you have selected lend themselves to Antique cut diamonds, there are new perfectly cut old cuts as well. And, I personally have always found them more forgiving or acceptable colourwise in mid and lower colours like this stone;

OMG... this is gorgeous! I love old cuts in lower colors. Only issue would be losing spread.
 

sledge

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Totally agree about lower colors working much better in the older cuts. Also I love the chunky facets and cut style. They are absolutely gorgeous stones.

Only thing to note is that due to the way the stones are cut and proportioned differently, you end up with more depth or vertical weight in the stone. Consequently for the same carat weight, you will end up with a slightly smaller diameter. For instance this 0.92 carat stone measures out around 6 mm, whereas, a modern round brilliant 0.90 carat stone would measure out around 6.2 mm.
 

scoobertin

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7.25 I know, it’s a very lovely size.
I am glad she asked your size, this puts a good perspective on size just as stonewells illustration. She has a 9.50 size so a .80ct would look similar. A one carat might be ideal but .80 would be good and I would not give up on quality of the diamond. Thank you.
 

whitewave

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I am glad she asked your size, this puts a good perspective on size just as stonewells illustration. She has a 9.50 size so a .80ct would look similar. A one carat might be ideal but .80 would be good and I would not give up on quality of the diamond. Thank you.
Glad to help.
 

cokitty

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If you want the classic you could also look at resale sites. Do you know what style she prefers?
This one is .76 F/VS2 @6mm center stone. The $4750 is negotiable.
https://www.1stdibs.com/jewelry/rings/solitaire-rings/platinum-vintage-diamond-ring-gia-certified-108-carat/id-j_6175792/
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T&Co .74 I/SI $4995 (negotiable)
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.82 $4500
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1.15 $4950
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.81 I/VS1 T&Co $4895
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Antique Style ring .80 center $4595
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.66 H/IF HOF solitaire $4595
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cokitty

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I should have finished the thread before posting, apologies.
Given her ring size and her desire to have this be a forever ring have you confirmed she wants a MRB? Other diamond shapes face up larger for the carat weight an oval/pear/marquise diamond might be worth considering.
 

JaneDough

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If you want to give off a bigger appearance a halo might do the trick! As well as setting the diamond slightly higher. Mine is set really low and looks smaller on my finger.

Excited to see what the final choice is!
 

dreamer_dachsie

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I wear about that ring size (bigger actually) and I want to say two very important things about the setting selection.

On a larger finger, especially a nice squishy one, a wider and thicker band will look better, and also size the ring to be roomy to avoid finger bulge.

The shank of my ring is 2.5mm wide and it is 1.8mm thick/tall. I sized it generously. It looks very nice on my hand. Super delicate rings don’t look as good. To me, these issues I describe are far more important for ensuring the ring looks lovely on her hand, far more important than trying to stretch to buy a diamond a fraction of a mm larger.
 

sledge

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I wear about that ring size (bigger actually) and I want to say two very important things about the setting selection.

On a larger finger, especially a nice squishy one, a wider and thicker band will look better, and also size the ring to be roomy to avoid finger bulge.

The shank of my ring is 2.5mm wide and it is 1.8mm thick/tall. I sized it generously. It looks very nice on my hand. Super delicate rings don’t look as good. To me, these issues I describe are far more important for ensuring the ring looks lovely on her hand, far more important than trying to stretch to buy a diamond a fraction of a mm larger.
My wife is a 7.5 and she also prefers a little more width than the super tiny dainty rings.

One thing I noticed when shopping for her was that in pictures it looks perfect but when you see with your eyes it changes. I blame magnified pictures, as they make really delicate stuff look perfect and more realistic sizes look off.

Also a reverse taper where the band tapers into a more skinny width near the diamond can give the optical illusion of a bigger stone while the bulk of the ring is a little wider.

Not suggesting this ring, but illustrating the taper I am talking about.

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Ibrakeforpossums

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.90 G vs1 scores .6 on HCA ask for images $4200


.83 G vs 1 scores .9 HCA $3087
I'm a B2C fan, I think you get more diamond for your money and those guys know what they're looking at. They're very honest about color and clarity and will steer you away from something they know will bother you.
 

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brian gavin’s had some recent posters unhappy with the customer service. Whiteflash has more and better reviews here, and a better upgrade policy. All else equal, go with Whiteflash. And congratulations!! I’m sure she will be thrilled :)
Ditto, nightmare of an experience with Brian Gavin. Customer service is dead.
 

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Also a reverse taper where the band tapers into a more skinny width near the diamond can give the optical illusion of a bigger stone while the bulk of the ring is a little wider.

Not suggesting this ring, but illustrating the taper I am talking about.
I agree with what you are saying about the visual effect of a reverse taper, however OP's initial post included two links to illustrate the settings under consideration, and both of them widen towards the stone. I'm not sure if this is an important detail to get right. Something for OP to consider :)

Settings from OP's first post. I poked around looking for similar styles from WF, etc. but wasn't sure if there was anything comparable in budget:

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wileel

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Wish I could be as much help as the others here but I've been where you are and its tough. After TONS or reading and from advice from the folks here I decided to loosen up on color to open up my options more and maybe shave some bucks. I ended up with a stone from BGD's Blue line and couldn't be happier. That being said, we are not hyper color sensitive and I personally like the touch of warmth in a stone.

Unfortunately, I've bought a couple e-rings in the past and they were from your common brick and mortar shops. This is the first premium stone I've bought and let me tell you there is no comparison...I can honestly say this stone blew me away when it comes to fire and sparkle. I'm now a firm believer that (as suggested by the great folks here) that a great cut is huge factor to consider.
 

scoobertin

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Quick update, went to a couple of jewelry stores to get a better feel of diamonds in person.
Not super sensitive to color but can tell a difference. I dont think we can go lower than I color. Super ideal cuts versus just a regular cut you can definitely tell a difference.
The thing is now. She fell in love with pear shaped diamonds. I had a feeling she would but there is no real grading for pear shaped vs a round, so now I will start looking at pear shaped now and see where it take me.
 

scoobertin

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lovedogs

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So happy you went to look in person! Pears are gorgeous, but hard to find and very personal in terms of what you like.
 
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