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Obamas, Clintons, and CNN Targeted after George Soros

Octo2005 said:
Why do you keep bringing up Obama. Obama is no longer president, and hasn't been for over a year and a half now. trump is president this is his sh*t show! Whether it was right or wrong for Obama to use this colloquialism, has no relevance to the discussion at hand, quit deflecting. The only reason that Obama was so divisive was because he was black! Period!!!
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I didn’t bring him up initially, but considering he was a target of one of these packages, kinda makes him (and others I mentioned as well) relevant to the convo, dontcha think?
 
the_mother_thing said:
:roll:

Either ‘you’ demand better from ALL politicians and the media who give them air time, or ‘you’ are just another partisan mouthpiece who doesn’t really give a damn about people unless they agree with/vote like you. It doesn’t surprise me in the least that many on here fall into the latter as many continue to defend Dems’ rhetoric while tightening the noose for Chump’s. SSDD. :roll
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Yup, But I still love CC. :love:
 
Calliecake said:
Does this surprise you @soxfan ? There will be many conspiracy theories regarding this. Trump will probably be shouting fake news every hour. He wants this story to go away so news stories will be focused on the caravan.

It will be interesting to hear what the facts actually are regarding the person who sent the bombs.
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He already had a tweet this morning complaining that the reporting on this terrorist attack is distraction from his election campaign. :angryfire:

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1055826295337172993
 
the pervasiveness of social media (twitter, facebook, posts on articles, etc) has really increased. So has the splinterization of our news sources. Unlike people in Great Britain tuning into BBC, people are turning to news sources that reinforce their own views.
I thought this was interesting. And it is true that hate crimes have increase under Trump for a 2nd year in a row. The number of hate crimes against Muslims, while a small number, is higher than even under George Bush and after 9/11. I think the difference is tone.
https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/do-trump-tweets-spur-hate-crimes1/
 
I’ve read enough of your posts to figure out what kind of person you are and what you stand for @the_mother_thing . You are always very clear on what you believe in your postings.

I think all hateful rhetoric is wrong regardless of party. I believe words matter. As a country we should all be against this hateful rhetoric and telling our politicians they are wrong for engaging. Watch a Trump rally. His supporters love his hateful rhetoric. They see it as strength while kindness and restraint is seen as weakness. The lower he goes the more they cheer. I find it incredibly sad.

I DO NOT believe in normalizing Trump.
 
the_mother_thing said:
I didn’t bring him up initially, but considering he was a target of one of these packages, kinda makes him (and others I mentioned as well) relevant to the convo, dontcha think?
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No. I don't think being a target of an attempted assassination that it makes him relevant to a conversation about inciting violence. Do both sides sling mud, absolutely. Do both sides say things that they shouldn't absolutely, but no one stokes the fire the way that trump has done.
 
partgypsy said:
the pervasiveness of social media (twitter, facebook, posts on articles, etc) has really increased. So has the splinterization of our news sources.
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I agree with this; it’s largely why DH and I have pretty much trashed all social media accounts ... except IG, but I only follow bling on there. I don’t miss FB and Twitter in the least ... it’s all largely toxic.
 
the_mother_thing said:
I agree with this; it’s largely why DH and I have pretty much trashed all social media accounts ... except IG, but I only follow bling on there. I don’t miss FB and Twitter in the least ... it’s all largely toxic.
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Well they certainly aren't the place to get news.
 
redwood66 said:
Well they certainly aren't the place to get news.
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Or facts.

Social Media - especially Twitter - is the world’s ‘Opinion Page’, and we all know what opinions are like.
 
You know, in my experience, any time someone says “oh yeah, well YOU (or your side) did this” in response to poor behaviour being addressed, it’s a sign that they’re not willing to have a real or meaningful discussion about the issue at hand. That includes accepting any kind of responsibility for the behaviour being exhibited. They don’t want to change (or see change happen). You might as well save your breath.

Personally, I think it was only a matter of time before Trump’s irresponsible rhetoric caused an ubstable supporter to attack. I’m a little surprised it hasn’t been sooner. Frankly, I’m surprised one of the second amendment folks didn’t try to shoot Hillary the way he suggested.
 
cmd2014 said:
You know, in my experience, any time someone says “oh yeah, well YOU (or your side) did this” in response to poor behaviour being addressed, it’s a sign that they’re not willing to have a real or meaningful discussion about the issue at hand. That includes accepting any kind of responsibility for the behaviour being exhibited. They don’t want to change (or see change happen). You might as well save your breath.

Personally, I think it was only a matter of time before Trump’s irresponsible rhetoric caused an ubstable supporter to attack. I’m a little surprised it hasn’t been sooner. Frankly, I’m surprised one of the second amendment folks didn’t try to shoot Hillary the way he suggested.
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Do you believe that ALL of the facts/behaviors/participants contributing to an environment should be considered/factored/discussed, or only the ones that fit a specific narrative?
 
Gabrielle Giffords?
the Florida shooter while not a Trumpster, was a pro-gun, racist dude who wanted to kill minorities. 14 people dead.
Charlotteville VA the guy who mowed down the people told his mother that he was going to a rally that had to do with Trump. Multiple people injured, one death.
That's just off the top of my head
 
the_mother_thing said:
Says the woman who foolishly thinks criminals give a damn about laws in the first place.
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I do not think criminals care about laws.

How often do we hear about people committing horrendous crimes and then hear the people around them say they had no idea they were capable of such things? I think people should register their guns in a national database. This is off topic and the last thing we need is another gun debate on Pricscope.
 
Calliecake said:
I do not think criminals care about laws.

How often do we hear about people committing horrendous crimes and then hear the people around them say they had no idea they were capable of such things? I think people should register their guns in a national database. This is off topic and the last thing we need is another gun debate on Pricscope.
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Then why did you bring it up other than to slam me with one more nasty comment? This is the reason that I do not want to have discussions with you.
 
partgypsy said:
that said, I am thankful that the FBI and law enforcement did their job in such a fast manner, and that no one was hurt, including postal employees.
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Most definitely.
 
partgypsy said:
that said, I am thankful that the FBI and law enforcement did their job in such a fast manner, and that no one was hurt, including postal employees.
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Agreed! There is a LOT to be learned from the outstanding partnership demonstrated by our various law enforcement agencies.
 
the_mother_thing said:
Do you believe that ALL of the facts/behaviors/participants contributing to an environment should be considered/factored/discussed, or only the ones that fit a specific narrative?
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Unless it is something that directly contributed to the specific incident being discussed, no. Otherwise it’s just meaningless deflection from a discussion of the actual issue. This isn’t about a specific narrative, it’s about sticking to the issue rather than throwing out red herings in an attempt to derail a discussion of the issue. The issue here being that Trump is grossly irresponsible in the content of his speech, and it has huge potential for unfortunate consequences. So unless Obama somehow forced Trump to behave this way (which would be an absurd assertion), it’s not relevant to talk about things he may have said decades ago. They are not relevant. What is relevant is Trump’s behaviour, that he and he alone is responsible for. Not Hillary, not the Democrats, not the media, but the actual words coming out of Trump’s mouth, and in his tweets, and at his rallies. You’d have to be an idiot to not recognize the risk involved in spreading that kind rhetoric to that many people. Because there’s bound to be someone in that crowd who won’t be able to tell the difference between rhetoric and reality. Most public figures understand this and are careful about what they say. Trump clearly either doesn’t understand or does not care. Neither is a mark of good leadership.
 
partgypsy said:
Gabrielle Giffords?
the Florida shooter while not a Trumpster, was a pro-gun, racist dude who wanted to kill minorities. 14 people dead.
Charlotteville VA the guy who mowed down the people told his mother that he was going to a rally that had to do with Trump. Multiple people injured, one death.
That's just off the top of my head
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The shooter here who killed 6 people in a Montreal mosque was also a Trump supporter and said that this influenced his actions.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/montreal/mosque-shooting-bissonette-1.4597998

https://www.vice.com/en_ca/article/...cists-the-quebec-city-mosque-shooter-followed

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...figures-before-attack/?utm_term=.16d708715adc

Sadly, these people don’t just have a national pulpit, they have an international one, and it has fatal consequences.
 
cmd2014 said:
You’d have to be an idiot to not recognize the risk involved in spreading that kind rhetoric to that many people. Because there’s bound to be someone in that crowd who won’t be able to tell the difference between rhetoric and reality. Most public figures understand this and are careful about what they say. Trump clearly either doesn’t understand or does not care. Neither is a mark of good leadership.
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Are you referring to Maxine Waters?
https://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2018/06/25/maxine_waters_god_is_on_our_side.html
 
@cmd2014 If you want to stick to 'the facts' then leave Chump out of it as well. You have a nut job who committed acts of terrorism against people. And if the cops have the right guy, it's a done deal. Nothing more to say about it.

If you are going to blame Chump because his face is on the vehicle, then the others are to be considered as well because their faces are on the vehicle as well.

We can go back and forth as much as you want, but you can't lay blame at one person's feet who was not involved in the crime if you refuse to lay blame at the others as well unless you are just a biased mouthpiece for the left and refuse to consider ALL parties fairly.

Did you call for Bernie Sanders resignation when his rhetoric fueled Scalise's gunman?
 
Dancing Fire said:
IYO, is this non violence?
https://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2018/10/11/eric_holder_when_they_go_low_we_kick_them.html
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Did you even read that quote? He clearly said:

“When I say we kick them, I don’t mean we do anything inappropriate, we don’t do anything illegal...”

Because unlike Trump, he understands that one has to be careful.

And again, what everyone else in the universe has said has no bearing on what TRUMP says in his role as PRESIDENT of your country. These are all just attempts to divert from the issue, which is the fact that what TRUMP has said has cost people their lives.
 
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