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[soxfan]

You can't even make this stuff up any more....

 

[Calliecake]

OMG!!! Is this for real @soxfan ??? I was wondering why they covered the vehicle with a tarp.

 

[AGBF]

Wow. I wasn't expecting to get a glimpse of the inner workings of the terrorist's mind from the outside of his van! I had absolutely no idea. I am, actually, shocked.

AGBF

 

[Tekate]

who said ALL politicians use violent rhetoric?

So you are going to blame the media for interviewing people? You just cannot blame the source MT, TRUMP. Obama did not stir up violence. People did try to become violent due to his words of inclusiveness, an America for all, not just whites, this stirred up the BASE and I mean BASE of America.

Kick'em? when they go low, that is just equaling a kick for a kick. That wasn't inciting the democrats that was "don't try to take the high road with someone who is bringing you down." Has the president taken the high road, his motto is: "knock the crap outta them"

TRUMPS STATEMENTS ARE VIOLENT. Can you not tell the difference between this?

https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/back-trump-comments-perceived-encouraging-violence/story?id=48415766

Why does DF refer to democrats as snowflakes! SNOWFLAKES melt.. You defend this correct? Obviously conservative trumpsters thought Obama wasn't strong enough right?

hahaha! this is a real charmer here: https://www.foxnews.com/politics/fox-news-poll-country-weaker-under-obama-not-tough-enough-on-russia

and this lie: https://www.foxnews.com/opinion/mr-...-trip-to-saudi-arabia-europe-signals-weakness

So do democrats incite violence or are we snowflakes, we incite but we are scared?

List what the democrats have done, list all the FAKE NEWS.. I read this all the time, but what is FAKE? What is the democrats role's in sending pipe bombs? We don't know, enlighten us, because conservative trumpsters are great on talk, but little to nothing on fact.

I hear not even CRICKETS I hear zero. I hear talk talk but no fact fact.

What other comments did Obama make during his 8 years in office and after that incited leftists/democrats/liberals to send pipe bombs? Your circuitousness logic is BLAME THE VICTIM.. oh yeah the democrats are responsible for their own deaths.. pffft.

1) WRONG. ALL politicians who use violent rhetoric to fire up their bases and the media who give them air time are responsible for this atmosphere, to include several of those on the receiving end of these packages. You don’t get to say things like “bring a gun”, “kick ‘em”, “you can’t be civil until the dems are back in power”, “push back on them and tell them they are not welcome here”, etc. then act innocent when your own hostile rhetoric brings about hostility towards you. You want to pick apart Chump’s comments, then you need to force the Dems to own their comments and role in this environment as well. And no, that is not me condoning the packages being sent - I don’t. But Chump is not the only one guilty of making such comments, and he himself has been on the receiving end of such threats, suspicious packages, etc. Where was the outrage then? Crickets ....

2) That is not the only comment Obama made in his campaign & presidential era that was perceivable as ‘hostile’, not to mention racially divisive; but you glaze over where I said I wasn’t digging them all up. You are free to search them out if you want. I could post them all and you and others here will just give him a pass, cry ‘racism’, and every other argument that has been made to defend him. Been there, done that, passing on buying the t-shirt.

 

[the_mother_thing]

The expression "bring a gun to a knife fight" or alternatively "don't bring a knife to a gun fight" is a very common colloquial phrase in the English language. When that's what you have to point to when trying to show "Obama did it too!" that's a pathetic grasping at straws. I don't actually blame Trump for whoever sent these packages. I do agree we're all responsible for our own actions. So when is Trump going to be responsible for his? Why is every single attempt to discuss his behavior met with "but but whatabout!" You can't say people are responsible for their own words and then try to deflect every. single. time the topic of Trump's rhetoric comes up.

Good news, though, there has been an arrest!

What historically has been ‘colloquially’ acceptable is no longer acceptable ... there were all kinds of words, phrases, etc. ... be it use of racial slurs, sexist terms, behaviors even that were at one time considered “acceptable”, but in this era, they are not - regardless of WHO says/does them. You don’t get to cherry pick what types of rhetoric are ‘acceptable’ because your guy said them vs. someone else.

 

[AGBF]

OMG!!! Is this for real @soxfan ??? I was wondering why they covered the vehicle with a tarp.

Well, as Bob Dylan wrote, "You don't need a weatherman to know which way the wind blows".

AGBF

 

[Calliecake]

My first thought was this van has to be a set up? Wouldn’t police pull this van over and watch a person who drove this van. On second thought Trump has definitely emboldened these people. Heck, I’ve heard a few comments that I never would in a million years expect to hear, from people I have known for years.

 

[AGBF]

You don’t get to cherry pick what types of rhetoric are ‘acceptable’ because your guy said them vs. someone else.

She can cherry pick what she likes. There is still free speech in this country. Only boring writers refuse to expand their vocabularies; refuse to use metaphors; disdain similes; and generally write mundane postings.

 

[AGBF]

My first thought was this van has to be a set up? Wouldn’t police pull this van over and watch a person who drove this van. On second thought Trump has definitely emboldened these people. Heck, I’ve heard a few comments that I never would in a million years expect to hear, from people I have known for years.

He may not even have been driving it, Calliecake. It may have been parked somewhere. We have to wait and see.

AGBF

 

[Calliecake]

What are the odds this guy attended a Trump rally???

 

[soxfan]

 

[the_mother_thing]

who said ALL politicians use violent rhetoric?

I didn’t; re-read what I wrote.

As for the rest of your post, you’re simply giving Obama a pass for his rhetoric while tightening the rope around Chump’s neck. Chump never said - to my knowledge - “go build some bombs and send them to Dems”. He’s made stupid, thoughtless comments ... just like many on the left. Again, NONE of these on either side justifies acts of terror against anyone. But EVERY ONE of them who have made comments have contributed to the tense environment we’re all living in. If you can’t admit that and condemn the behavior on BOTH sides (vs. just pointing fingers at one side), then you remain an obvious partisan and (IMO) are part of the problem.

I’m glad to see an arrest was made. News is reporting the suspect’s name is Cesar Sayoc, Jr.

 

[Calliecake]

What historically has been ‘colloquially’ acceptable is no longer acceptable ... there were all kinds of words, phrases, etc. ... be it use of racial slurs, sexist terms, behaviors even that were at one time considered “acceptable”, but in this era, they are not - regardless of WHO says/does them. You don’t get to cherry pick what types of rhetoric are ‘acceptable’ because your guy said them vs. someone else.

They were never considered acceptable. You chose to use them anyway. I knew as a young child things my father said were awful and wrong and that was over 50 years ago. I got sent to my room with no dinner for telling him so when I was 8.

 

[Calliecake]

The tarp is blowing off the van

 

[Maria D]

There are days It feels like we are living in a Jerry Springer show that never ends.

This is why my husband refuses to discuss or learn about political events of the day anymore. He has stopped paying attention at all. He has actually said "I'm turning off this Jerry Springer show." I don't know if this is a good thing; at least he will still vote.

 

[Tekate]

WRONG. It should be acceptable. It was acceptable and we need to find acceptable means to communicate without violence.

Yes we do get to cherry pick what is acceptable BECAUSE THAT IS WHAT THIS IS ABOUT, what is acceptable. You don't get to set the norm for the USA, we all do.. It's not acceptable to make fun of a person with cerebral palsy, we don't get to belittle gold star parents, we don't get to call people LOW IQ, especially black people that makes it even worse, we don't get to bring a gun to a knife fight, true. Whoever started this mess (TRUMP TRUMP TRUMP) should tone his BS down, speak for all Americans. More Americans voted for Clinton than Trump, he should have taken THAT into consideration than imposing his whole agenda on millions who didn't want it, Obama NEVER lost the majority vote. Yes, he's allowed to carry his 'party's' ideas forth but it WAS HIS JOB to bring America together. He sucks at this, he doesn't care. If people didn't care for Obama's policies then people should have voted him out.. YOU cannot expect a majority of people to lie down and watch while their America is bulldozed over in the name of conservatism. Nope. Trump should have tried working with democrats. Obama did try to work with republicans in his first 4 year term.

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2017/01/16/obamas_unsung_bipartisan_legacy_132798.html

http://www.tampabay.com/projects/2017/politifact/obameter/bipartisan/

https://mic.com/articles/22662/5-wa...k-with-republicans-and-is-rejected#.aPvk19U68

At least Obama TRIED. This POS we have now wouldn't cross the street for a democrat to help them.

What historically has been ‘colloquially’ acceptable is no longer acceptable ... there were all kinds of words, phrases, etc. ... be it use of racial slurs, sexist terms, behaviors even that were at one time considered “acceptable”, but in this era, they are not - regardless of WHO says/does them. You don’t get to cherry pick what types of rhetoric are ‘acceptable’ because your guy said them vs. someone else.

 

[Calliecake]

He may not even have been driving it, Calliecake. It may have been parked somewhere. We have to wait and see.

AGBF

Just to clarify Deb, I know you are 100% correct.

I keep imagining the next Saturday Night Live’s skit.

I’m extremely grateful no one was hurt in this madness.

 

[Tekate]

"lock him up" "lock him up"

What are the odds this guy attended a Trump rally???

 

[vintageloves]

What historically has been ‘colloquially’ acceptable is no longer acceptable ... there were all kinds of words, phrases, etc. ... be it use of racial slurs, sexist terms, behaviors even that were at one time considered “acceptable”, but in this era, they are not - regardless of WHO says/does them. You don’t get to cherry pick what types of rhetoric are ‘acceptable’ because your guy said them vs. someone else.

I have no idea what you're even trying to say. The back flipping is becoming a bit unhinged.

There's no cherry picking. It would be perfectly acceptable for Trump to say something like "I don't bring a knife to a gun fight." No rational person would think that's a call to violence. One of Trump's common phrases is "when someone hits me, I hit back twice as hard" which is similar in intent and totally fine.

You can "both sides!" this thing until the cows come home. I have eyes and ears. No previous president has encouraged his supporters to rough people up at his rallies, joking or not. No other president has called the media the enemy of the people. No other president has called his opponents evil. No other president has threatened to jail their political opponents (in Feinstein's case, without even accusing her of a crime). He's different.

 

[AGBF]

What are the odds this guy attended a Trump rally???

I do not think he needed to do so in order to get the rhythm of the Trump movement.

While I absolutely believe that we cannot blame every nut who takes it into his head to go on a personal crusade for some cause of his own, I do think we can blame groups for whipping up violence and we can certainly blame the government when it fails to respond to terrorism (as it did in this case). (Donald Trump never acted about this very real terrorism the way he did about any mention of middle eastern related terrorism.)

This is a fine line.

If someone shoots a president to impress Jodie Foster, you cannot blame the president. On the other hand, Adolf Hitler actually used the brownshirts as a group to whip up fervor in the streets. The Proud Boys come to mind. Donald Trump is very much to blame for inciting violence, but we do not know if this nut needed his encouragement or not. It is just too bad that he got it. And too bad that Trump didn't do more to stop him after he started to send his bombs. How low is the bar for what we expect of a president now? Not to be the worst criminal he might be, I guess.

AGBF

 

[AGBF]

This is the latest in "The New York Times" about the van (but take it with a grain of salt):

"On Friday morning, Florida news organizations reported that the authorities had surrounded a white van with Trump stickers on it, and television news outlets later showed images of the authorities hauling the van away on a truck underneath a tarp. But it remained unclear if the van belonged to Mr. Sayoc.

Some residents of Aventura reported seeing a similar white van covered in Trump stickers often parked in the lot of a local strip mall, the Aventura Waterways shopping center. But it was not clear if that van was the same one seized by the police on Friday.

'It struck me because of the crazy conspiratorial stickers covering the windows,' said David Cypkin, a documentary film producer and editor with the Rakontur production company. 'It was unsettling, and also it seemed to be occupied. Sometimes the door would be ajar or a window would be open, which indicated to me that maybe somebody was living in the van.'”

AGBF

 

[AGBF]

And about the suspect:

"A law enforcement official identified the suspect as Cesar Sayoc, Jr., 56, of Aventura, Fla, just north of Miami.

Mr. Sayoc, a registered Republican, has a lengthy criminal history in Florida dating back to 1991 that includes felony theft, drug and fraud charges, as well as being arrested and accused of threatening to use a bomb, public records show.

His criminal record from the Florida Department of Law Enforcement indicates that at the time of his last arrest in 2015, he was 5-foot-11 and 215 pounds. He has brown eyes, black hair and a scar on his left arm, the records said, and was born in New York. The records listed Mr. Sayoc’s occupation as 'manager.'”

 

[Calliecake]

@AGBF my comment about about him attending a Trump rally was a joke.

We will find out much about this man in the coming days. I think we are all wondering what the facts are.

I agree with you that Trump incites violence. The problem is we have TelePrompTer Trump and Twitter Trump. Unfortunately they are two entirely different people.

 

[soxfan]

Oh look, here he is at a Trump rally. And little Donnie Jr. liked the tweet.

 

[soxfan]

Fox News was blurring out the stickers on the van.

 

[Calliecake]

Fox News was blurring out the stickers on the van.

Great reporting! LOL

 

[soxfan]

God, look at these loonies. They really will believe ANYTHING.

 

[Octo2005]

I didn’t; re-read what I wrote.

As for the rest of your post, you’re simply giving Obama a pass for his rhetoric while tightening the rope around Chump’s neck. Chump never said - to my knowledge - “go build some bombs and send them to Dems”. He’s made stupid, thoughtless comments ... just like many on the left. Again, NONE of these on either side justifies acts of terror against anyone. But EVERY ONE of them who have made comments have contributed to the tense environment we’re all living in. If you can’t admit that and condemn the behavior on BOTH sides (vs. just pointing fingers at one side), then you remain an obvious partisan and (IMO) are part of the problem.

I’m glad to see an arrest was made. News is reporting the suspect’s name is Cesar Sayoc, Jr.

Why do you keep bringing up Obama. Obama is no longer president, and hasn't been for over a year and a half now. trump is president this is his sh*t show! Whether it was right or wrong for Obama to use this colloquialism, has no relevance to the discussion at hand, quit deflecting. The only reason that Obama was so divisive was because he was black! Period!!!

 

[Calliecake]

Does this surprise you @soxfan ? There will be many conspiracy theories regarding this. Trump will probably be shouting fake news every hour. He wants this story to go away so news stories will be focused on the caravan.

It will be interesting to hear what the facts actually are regarding the person who sent the bombs.

 

[the_mother_thing]

They were never considered acceptable. You chose to use them anyway. I knew as a young child things my father said were awful and wrong and that was over 50 years ago. I got sent to my room with no dinner for telling him so when I was 8.

I didn’t say I personally find them acceptable or that I use them; not sure why you assumed that. Perhaps I wrongly assumed you were smart enough to glean that I was referring to historical uses and ‘acceptance’ of certain terms and phrases.

Either ‘you’ demand better from ALL politicians and the media who give them air time, or ‘you’ are just another partisan mouthpiece who doesn’t really give a damn about people unless they agree with/vote like you. It doesn’t surprise me in the least that many on here fall into the latter as many continue to defend Dems’ rhetoric while tightening the noose for Chump’s. SSDD. :roll