My Selection--So how did I do?

[AZDiamondGuy]

I''m not selling anything. I''m reading and replying to information posted - that''s all.

In todays market you can purchase a very nice GIA EX/EX (but non branded) J SI2 1.10+ct for well below Rap - at least 20% or more.

You chose a branded diamond, and I''m just relaying my personal experience that I cannot ever tell a GIA EX/EX apart from an 8 Star or any other branded diamond.

 

[icekid]

MrGG- i don''t get it. kc chose a very nice stone, from what i can tell. and it''s not branded. what are you talking about?

and not only that, but GIA EX/EX doesn''t automatically mean a stone is cut well.

 

[kcwade33]

Well, OK.

I guess you are right that you can''t tell the difference between a branded stone and a GIA EX/EX. Review the info above.

 

[Kaleigh]

Let''s just leave it that KC chose a beautiful stone and leave Mr. GG to make his own conclusions, cause I''m not sure what he''s talking about either.

 

[AZDiamondGuy]

Then that''s even worse! I thought it was an 8 star from the other posters. My mistake.

So you paid Rap for a GIA EX/EX J SI2? I would think a search in Pricescope would reveal much lower pricing on a J SI2.

I''m sure it''s a lovely diamond - just sounded pricey.

 

[AZDiamondGuy]

IceKid - thanks for pointing out that EX/EX doesn''t mean well cut.

I hope you all know, as well, that you cannot plug cert info into these "cut advisors'' and know what a diamond will look like. That is incredibly naive.

I''ve seen thousands of "ideal cut" stones that were dead. Haze will not show up on a cut advisor.

Try to get out into the world and see these stones and then make a determination.

 

[Mara]

Date: 6/19/2005 9:05:49 PM
Author: MrGG

I would think a search in Pricescope would reveal much lower pricing on a J SI2.

Please search and reveal for us your results.

Be sure to compare apples to apples, aka finding a GIA EX EX will not mean that stone is going to be well-cut nor does a random AGS0.

So I''d love to see a stone like this J SI2 with that similar IS image to show light return and similar numbers,crown/pav and diameter spread, for significantly less than kc paid.

 

[Kaleigh]

Mr. GG,
I don''t think you''ve read this whole thread. If you did you would know what we''re talking about. This isn''t any ordinary J SI2, it''s an ideal cut J SI2 and looks to be an amazing stone. That''s it nothing more to it really.

 

[AZDiamondGuy]

I read the thread. The initial poster was saying she bought an Ideal Cut GIA EX/EX J SI2 at $100 under Rap.

I''m simply saying -20% below Rap is more in line pricewise on this type of stone.

 

[Mara]

MrGG...you keep saying 20 below rap but you noted that a PS search would undoubtedly show lower numbers.

as the attached image shows, there is one or two lower stones, but the 4279 is a middle of the road, as there are two that are even more expensive.

note that i just ran a basic search for 'ideal' stones, not having anything to do with how well cut they are.

so i think that kc having found an amazing cut stone (the pictures do not lie!) for 4729 is great and the price he paid does not appear to be exhorbitantly out of this world, just on the higher end of the other options, by the way none of which show up in 'cut quality' because they don't have further information. hands down i'd take this stone he bought for 4729 anyday.

your opinion is just one, and chiming in over and over to say someone overpaid is starting to border on rude. if you think he could have paid less, fine, but he's got the stone and adores it, and did not ask for advice on if he paid too much so at this point maybe you should just let it go.

 

[diamondsrock]

I think that stone looks absoltutely amazing. I can hardly believe it''s an SI-2. It''s beautiful.

What does he mean by "haze"?

 

[belle]

hey kcwade,
your stone looks amazing!! well done!

can''t wait to see some hand shots!!

 

[AZDiamondGuy]

Sorry - didn''t mean to be rude. Looks like a lovely diamond.

 

[aljdewey]

Date: 6/19/2005 8:48:21 PM
Author: MrGG
I''m not selling anything. I''m reading and replying to information posted - that''s all.

In todays market you can purchase a very nice GIA EX/EX (but non branded) J SI2 1.10+ct for well below Rap - at least 20% or more.

You chose a branded diamond, and I''m just relaying my personal experience that I cannot ever tell a GIA EX/EX apart from an 8 Star or any other branded diamond.

It would help if your got your facts straight before you opened your mouth, GG.

This ISN''T a branded diamond.

Further, if you really knew anything about the industry, you''d be singing a song other than "how much back from RAP".

Please, stop causing trouble. The man purchased a diamond at a MORE than fair price for what he got. Unless you''re prepared to ante up ACTUAL examples, you should steo down.

 

[AZDiamondGuy]

If I knew anything about the industry? You are going to embarass yourself with comments like that.

He asked how he did, and I gave an opinion. Is this a Facist state, or are opinions allowed?

 

[aljdewey]

Date: 6/19/2005 9:15:14 PM
Author: MrGG
I read the thread. The initial poster was saying she bought an Ideal Cut GIA EX/EX J SI2 at $100 under Rap.

I'm simply saying -20% below Rap is more in line pricewise on this type of stone.

#1. The poster is a HE, not a she. If your attention to detail misses this very basic fact, I'm not horribly confident in your data RE: pricing.

#2. It sounds as though your frame of reference for pricing is in a retail setting, and since pricing here typically is more favorable than a retail setting, I think you are mistaken.

#3. KC....there are always going to be naysayers, and some will have completely no idea what they are talking about. Don't let those types shake your confidence. You bought a BEAUTIFUL STONE at a very good price.

 

[aljdewey]

Date: 6/19/2005 9:33:28 PM
Author: MrGG

He asked how he did, and I gave an opinion. Is this a Facist state, or are opinions allowed?

Of course opinions are allowed.......but there is no requirement for anyone to AGREE with your opinion, especially when it''s clearly ill-informed.

 

[AZDiamondGuy]

I said "He".

Sorry - i''m used to parcel pricing diamonds, not in single stones.

And I''m talking about pricing that anyone can get on the street, from reputable dealers, in NYC.

 

[AZDiamondGuy]

You talk quite a big game. Let''s get our credentials out in the open and then I''ll be happy to conceed to your uber-informed opinion.

 

[aljdewey]

Date: 6/19/2005 9:15:14 PM
Author: MrGG
I read the thread. The initial poster was saying she bought an Ideal Cut GIA EX/EX J SI2 at $100 under Rap.

I''m simply saying -20% below Rap is more in line pricewise on this type of stone.

Um......no you didn''t say "he" .....not in every post.

Again, can''t get the facts right. Makes me wonder what else isn''t right.

 

[AZDiamondGuy]

Let''s stick to diamonds, not genders.

 

[Kaleigh]

For heavens sakes, this has gone on far too long. This is about KC and the beautiful stone that he purchased. Can we leave it at that, MrGG???????

 

[aljdewey]

Date: 6/19/2005 9:38:37 PM
Author: MrGG
You talk quite a big game. Let''s get our credentials out in the open and then I''ll be happy to conceed to your uber-informed opinion.

You''ve been asked point blank to provide examples of these 20% back of rap deals that lead you to believe KC got fleeced for his stone. I note with interest that you haven''t done it yet. Why is that?

Prove it. Let''s see it.

And while we''re at it, your credentials are equally questionable. Just because you call yourself "Mr. GG" doesn''t mean you are a G.G. .....that could stand for Gregory Greg.

As Mara aptly posted, the pricing on this stone is MORE than in line with the online pricing of stones. You have yet to prove otherwise. You cannot seriously be saying that retail offers consistently BETTER pricing than online?

Until you do, it would be really nice to simply congratulate KC on HIS purchase and let it be.

 

[Mara]

Date: 6/19/2005 9:38:37 PM
Author: MrGG
You talk quite a big game. Let's get our credentials out in the open and then I'll be happy to conceed to your uber-informed opinion.

Fortunately, credentials are not the end-all-to-be-all here on PS.....there are alot of consumers on here that know more than many jewelers. Not ALL of course, we have some amazing vendors and industry people here who are very respected....but for the most part newbies who talk about '20 back from rap' may find PS not their cup of tea. Too much informed rebellion going on.

 

[AZDiamondGuy]

LOL - I already said he purchased a lovely diamond.

I''m now interested in the expertise of aljdewey.

 

[aljdewey]

Date: 6/19/2005 9:40:04 PM
Author: MrGG
Let''s stick to diamonds, not genders.

How about this?

I''ll stick to: KC, how did you do? You did an AMAZING job, and you found a stone you love. CONGRATULATIONS on such fine work, and enjoy.

Anything else, I''m not interested in.

 

[AZDiamondGuy]

Being a newbie to PRicescope does not make me a newbie to the industry.

I hate to be the bearer of bad news, but the industry (not just retail) uses Rap. I''m talking about the DeBeers siteholders that I work for, and everyone inbetween.

This forum is not the end all be all of information on the industry.

 

[aljdewey]

Date: 6/19/2005 9:44:00 PM
Author: MrGG

I'm now interested in the expertise of aljdewey.

I'm not getting in a Johnson contest. You've been asked to back up your claims, and you either can't or won't. That really leaves nothing of substance to discuss, so there's really no point in continuing.

Finished with this insanity.

 

[AZDiamondGuy]

Nobody is interested in your johnson. This is a diamond discussion.

 

[Kaleigh]

Mr.GG you''ve been asked to back up your statements but haven''t done so. Why??