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JordanM said:
I think I like the:
2) https://www.victorcanera.com/diamonds/ags104097665005-1.322-h-vs1-ideal-hearts-arrows-round - z7ymn1 above (7.01 mm, if you don't mind the price; $11,324)

as this was one I was already looking at. Do all three of the scopes on this diamond look good?
Shouldn't the very center of the diamond be green on the ASET scope? It looks only 1/3 green with 2/3 remaining red yet. Does this mean that it will not sparkle as much?
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Short answer - Red, Green or mixture all equally good.

Long answer - The middle is really not showing light return but reflection of the table driven by the pavilion mains facets. The mix of red and green just means that some of the pavilion mains are slightly above and some are slightly below a critical angle (40.7 degrees from memory) around which the light come back red or green. So, you see a mixture. The certificate is the average of those 8 facets. So, the mix does not mean anything other than the actual facets are varying around this breakpoint angle. Red or green in the middle are equally good, as is a mixture. It just tells you something about the actual pavillion mains that are averaged.

Probably explained better here - https://www.whiteflash.com/about-di...n/aset---table-reflection-whiteflash-1420.htm
 
That was an excellent explanation. VC says that he is estimating the carat weight of the setting to be about 0.70ct of round melee. Does that sound about right?

Also I know this is a very dumb question, but do the diamonds on the shank and halo matter with respect to cut, color and clarity?
 
JordanM said:
That was an excellent explanation. VC says that he is estimating the carat weight of the setting to be about 0.70ct of round melee. Does that sound about right?

Also I know this is a very dumb question, but do the diamonds on the shank and halo matter with respect to cut, color and clarity?
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If you go with Victor he will choose what color pave and it will be based on what looks best with your center stone. His melee is only the best cut and clarity. I have learned you can trust his expertise.
 
Pheeeeew, OP, gorgeous design from Victor. I'm super happy that you're about to get such a masterpiece.
PS magic in the works!
 
kipari said:
Pheeeeew, OP, gorgeous design from Victor. I'm super happy that you're about to get such a masterpiece.
PS magic in the works!
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This.:))
 
Victor is asking me:
"About the ring design, I was thinking that a round double halo would suit this ring the best. Was that what you were thinking as well? I wasn’t sure if you had in mind a cushion shaped halo."

All of her pictures I posted in the first post are of cushion shaped halos aren't they?
 
JordanM said:
Victor is asking me:
"About the ring design, I was thinking that a round double halo would suit this ring the best. Was that what you were thinking as well? I wasn’t sure if you had in mind a cushion shaped halo."

All of her pictures I posted in the first post are of cushion shaped halos aren't they?
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Yes, she likes a cushion halo. Perhaps he can make it a very soft cushion. Kind of like this design: https://www.victorcanera.com/rings/engagement/the-emilya-with-petal-profile

Edit: you could go visit a jewelery store again and have her try on a round halo. Then you will know for sure.
 
After seeing VC's drawing (which looks NOTHING like the one posted at the beginning, by the way), I would go with Victor. Regarding the shape of the halo... I would do a very rounded cushion since your FF likes that.

First photo:

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VC's drawing:
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The drawing shows nice symmetry and a double halo... it's lovely.
 
Just an update that Victor has started work on this ring. I do have a question that was brought up though. Victors diamonds are AGS. Ive read about the differences between AGS and GIA and understand that the AGS report is a little more detailed but is it also worth getting the GIA report?
 
JordanM said:
Just an update that Victor has started work on this ring. I do have a question that was brought up though. Victors diamonds are AGS. Ive read about the differences between AGS and GIA and understand that the AGS report is a little more detailed but is it also worth getting the GIA report?
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IMHO. No. The only difference would be the light performance information and highly precise measurements. But, that level of precision is not necessary to set the ring and you have an ASET.
 
You do not need a GIA report, I can't wait to see this ring!
 
This is going to be gorgeous!
 
Generally only the best stones get sent to AGS. AGS grades light performance, GIA does not. IMO a GIA report is unnecessary and wouldnt tell you anything you don't already know.
 
Excellent. Thank you everyone.
Victor had some questions and suggestions about the ring below:
I think having the diamonds go full eternity on your ring would make it look even more beautiful, especially considering the very small finger size. With this type of design, there isn’t really a very seamless way to end the pave on the ring.
The ring can be re-sized even with full eternity diamonds on it.

Another suggestion;
The side of the ring doesn’t have pave when looking at its profile. I’m not sure whether adding pave to the four stems holding up the halo is the best strategy.
I would recommend keeping them w/o pave to keep it consistent looking.


Me: I think he is correct on the first suggestion and that would look really nice with eternity all the way around. The second one I am unsure of and need your opinions on if the stems should have pave or not.
 
LLJsmom said:
I am biased for VC’s workmanship. But just in comparing his pave work with others, I would be hard pressed to find a vendor that I prefer to him. VC cuts his own stones, and they are considered super ideal cuts, meaning top cut stones. DK does not cut his own stones and sources them from the market, so those are not considered super ideal cuts. You pay a premium for VC’s super ideal cuts but to a cut nut, like me, I would be willing to pay the premium because I feel like I can see the difference. There are others who will not pay the premium for various reasons. Some people can see the difference and don’t think it’s worth it and some can’t see the difference at all. It’s a very personal decision.

I have asked that question before. I will post he thread if I can find it.
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Are all of VC's diamonds considered super ideal, or only his H&A? I have a Canera Antique Cushion. Is it considered to be super ideal? Thanks!
 
JordanM said:
Excellent. Thank you everyone.
Victor had some questions and suggestions about the ring below:
I think having the diamonds go full eternity on your ring would make it look even more beautiful, especially considering the very small finger size. With this type of design, there isn’t really a very seamless way to end the pave on the ring.
The ring can be re-sized even with full eternity diamonds on it.

Another suggestion;
The side of the ring doesn’t have pave when looking at its profile. I’m not sure whether adding pave to the four stems holding up the halo is the best strategy.
I would recommend keeping them w/o pave to keep it consistent looking.


Me: I think he is correct on the first suggestion and that would look really nice with eternity all the way around. The second one I am unsure of and need your opinions on if the stems should have pave or not.
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So excited to see this done!

I think he means consistent looking (no pave on stems) because the sides of your shank will not have pave, only on top, so the whole profile view will be polished platinum. It is up to you whether you want that look in the profile. I have pave on my stems but the angle is such that I can't really see it from the profile anyway. Your drawing appears to have the stems more viewable from the profile. I wanted a smaller donut for a very small gap with a band.
 
Here is one that has it on the stems and donut. Personally I would not do pave on the donut if I were wearing a band but lots of people do.

Did I miss what type of pave will be on the shank?

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What do you mean what type of pave will be on the shank. I believe it will be an eternity with melee all the way around the band. The only thing I am contemplating is if I want the diamonds down the stem like in your picture. It seems victor is suggesting against this.
 
JordanM said:
What do you mean what type of pave will be on the shank. I believe it will be an eternity with melee all the way around the band. The only thing I am contemplating is if I want the diamonds down the stem like in your picture. It seems victor is suggesting against this.
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I wouldn’t put diamonds on the stem. No need for it and there won’t be any worry when getting a wedding band made.
 
I like both of Victor’s suggestions. Please only make sure that you have her exact size!
 
JordanM said:
What do you mean what type of pave will be on the shank. I believe it will be an eternity with melee all the way around the band. The only thing I am contemplating is if I want the diamonds down the stem like in your picture. It seems victor is suggesting against this.
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The style of pave setting. Did he discuss what style it would be? Here is his education page on the different styles. I would think it would be one of the modern ones.

https://www.victorcanera.com/education/jewelry/pave-styles
 
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I’m with @Bfelix - I don’t have a VC ring, but I definitely would want plain stems and donut.

Thanks for these updates—pretty exciting!
 
I would also agree with @Bfelix because I am finding that some of my bands are a tad too tall and rub on the stems if I am not careful.
 
@redwood66 On the work order it says U-Cut Pave. Is that the style? I think I also agree with both of his suggestions.

Her current ring is 3.5 and last week I tried pulling it off of her finger and it was on there decently well as to not fall off so I had victor increase this size another 1/8 so the size will be 3 5/8. Im sure this is not too much larger than the 3.5 but is just large enough that her finger will have some room to grow and shrink with change and temperatures.

@sparlie I suggest you make your own thread with that question instead of hijacking this thread.
 
JordanM said:
No I have never been to battle creek.
Here is a picture of her current ring I got her 5 years ago as a promise ring that she wears everyday.IMAG0720-1.jpg
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I’m just bumping this back up so that people can help you with any ring size questions. It’s much harder for someone else to take off a ring than it is for you to take off your own... her ring looks like it fits well here, not too snug!

I think you also need to consider what her wedding band will be, and how many milimeters wide. In my avatar pic, my wedding band is a size 6.5, but my engagement ring is 7.5. Just something to think about. That is my preference because I don’t like my rings to be too snug. I know VC said it’s sizeable in the future, but sizing up usually costs around $75 for a plain shank and I would think a sizing job with that ring would cost well into the hundreds and hundreds (?) for any additional diamonds and also the labor-intensive pave work.

Our fingers taper toward the bottom. As we move up toward the knuckle, most fingers increase in diameter (i.e., ring size goes up).

Have you thought about the wedding band?
 
I would err a bit larger than smaller relative to her current ring. First, how disappointing if she can't put it on when you propose? Too big is easily fixed with sizing beads (within reason) or a resize (if necessary), and as PP said...it will fit differently with a wedding band. Also, I'd ask her to hold judgement on size until summer.

I would not be surprised if she needed to have her ring resized over her lifetime. Many of us do, some up and some down. Some of us stop wearing our rings during pregnancy (swelly hands) or work.

Finger shapes do vary. My fingers are wider at the base than knuckle, while my mom's are wider at the knuckle.
 
I slightly agree with @KristinTech but her size difference (6.5-7.5) may cause the ring to be too big while you are engaged and before the wedding. If she is choosing a wedding band that is thin then you might be ok. Will she be choosing it after you propose? She has such small fingers that a wider band might look out of place anyway. IMO would prefer a thinner one with the gorgeous shank you will have.
 
JordanM said:
@redwood66 On the work order it says U-Cut Pave. Is that the style? I think I also agree with both of his suggestions.

Her current ring is 3.5 and last week I tried pulling it off of her finger and it was on there decently well as to not fall off so I had victor increase this size another 1/8 so the size will be 3 5/8. Im sure this is not too much larger than the 3.5 but is just large enough that her finger will have some room to grow and shrink with change and temperatures.

@sparlie I suggest you make your own thread with that question instead of hijacking this thread.
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JordanM said:
@redwood66 On the work order it says U-Cut Pave. Is that the style? I think I also agree with both of his suggestions.

Her current ring is 3.5 and last week I tried pulling it off of her finger and it was on there decently well as to not fall off so I had victor increase this size another 1/8 so the size will be 3 5/8. Im sure this is not too much larger than the 3.5 but is just large enough that her finger will have some room to grow and shrink with change and temperatures.

@sparlie I suggest you make your own thread with that question instead of hijacking this thread.
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@JordanM My apologies, Jordan. I am sorry that you thought I was trying to hijack your thread, but rather I am probably much older than you and am trying to learn how to post properly. Your suggestion of creating my own thread is helpful, although your assumption of hijacking not very kind.
 
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