is 1.88mm shank too small for 1.33 RB in a cushion halo?????

[haloprince]

Happy Holidays fellow PS'ers. do you guys think a vatche platinum 1.88mm pave all around the shank is too small for 1.33 RB in a cushion halo setting? thanks and any help would be appreciated

 

[Mico]

Re: is 1.88mm shank too small for 1.33 RB in a cushion halo?

I tend to link thin bands, I think it makes the stone POP

 

[diamondseeker2006]

Re: is 1.88mm shank too small for 1.33 RB in a cushion halo?

Nope, it is almost 2mm and that is fine. Vatche makes fine quality rings. I would not put diamonds at the very bottom, though. It is important to leave several millimeters for future sizing. You can do diamonds from around 7:00 over to 5:00 and leave the base area plain.

 

[Christina...]

Re: is 1.88mm shank too small for 1.33 RB in a cushion halo?

I agree that it isn't too thin, however I wouldn't go any thinner.

 

[haloprince]

Re: is 1.88mm shank too small for 1.33 RB in a cushion halo?

thanks so much for the quick responses. i forgot to mention we are getting shots for the ring cause where the finger bends it is slightly bigger then her size 5 finger. she loves the diamond all around the shank and preferred the shots option to stop the halo from spinning. if i could afford going to 2mm with slightly bigger melee , would that make my center stone look smaller and should i be concerned about proportion or would it make it look better? i just read on a thread that PS'ers prefer 2mm if there is diamond around the shank so that concerns me a bit. thanks again!

 

[haloprince]

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also is there a durability issue with 1.88mm?

 

[VRBeauty]

Re: is 1.88mm shank too small for 1.33 RB in a cushion halo?

There are some durability issues that can come up with both thin bands and pave. One is that there's less metal, so the shank can get out of round more easily. The other is of course the possibility of losing stones from the shank. I can't tell you at what width these are no longer an issue - I don't think there is any one "right" answer. Other factors come also come into play, including the quality of the workmanship including the casting and the stone setting, the quality of the platinum used, and of course the wearer and how they wear the ring. If your girlfriend wants to wear her ring much if not most of the time and she, and she's very active or involved in activities that include gripping, pushing, pulling etc with her hands,then this might be a concern.

There have been numerous discussions on this subject - but I don't think you're going to find any that will define what is a "safe" width for a paveed shank.

https://www.pricescope.com/community/threads/are-rings-too-thin-these-days.155780/

https://www.pricescope.com/community/threads/setting-help-how-thin-is-too-thin.178312/

 

[Roxy]

Re: is 1.88mm shank too small for 1.33 RB in a cushion halo?

thanks so much for the quick responses. i forgot to mention we are getting shots for the ring cause where the finger bends it is slightly bigger then her size 5 finger. she loves the diamond all around the shank and preferred the shots option to stop the halo from spinning. if i could afford going to 2mm with slightly bigger melee , would that make my center stone look smaller and should i be concerned about proportion or would it make it look better? i just read on a thread that PS'ers prefer 2mm if there is diamond around the shank so that concerns me a bit. thanks again!

You'll see a lot of good info in the links that VRBeauty provided. You should also do multiple searches on this website and you'll find tons of great discussions that'll give you a lot of food for thought. Given that your gf really wants the full eternity look, I would suggest that you not push it with an extremely thin band. In response to your question, I think it'd be worth increasing the band to 2mm and it won't make your center stone appear to be any smaller.

Something to consider to assist with the security of the stones, and this is just my personal opinion since I've recently completed a project that incudes full eternity bands. I'd suggest that you talk with the jeweler about the possibility of increasing the band to 2mm, but keeping the melee at the current size. That's not a lot of "additional" metal at all, but it may allow the jeweler to make the settings for the melee more secure. I know the trend is towards invisible metal, but I couldn't imagine how horrible it would be to look down and see that one of my diamonds is missing & I'm sure your gf will feel the same way.

 

[haloprince]

Re: is 1.88mm shank too small for 1.33 RB in a cushion halo?

thanks so much for those links! they provided so much detailed information. yes she would be heart broken if she looked down at her ring and saw a missing diamond. she told me shes ok with getting the ring half pave instead of the full eternity. if i got it halfway done at 2mm, does that mean the shank is somewhat more durable since its not iced all the way around or does it make no difference? if it makes no difference then maybe ill just get the full eternity. thanks in advance for all your thoughts!

 

[haloprince]

Re: is 1.88mm shank too small for 1.33 RB in a cushion halo?

also about keeping the same size melee, any chance you can show me some of your pics of your full eternity band cause she is concerned about the more metal look. we did decide that we are going with 2mm. can i ask what size melee is suppose to go in a 2mm pave shank?

 

[Roxy]

Re: is 1.88mm shank too small for 1.33 RB in a cushion halo?

thanks so much for those links! they provided so much detailed information. yes she would be heart broken if she looked down at her ring and saw a missing diamond. she told me shes ok with getting the ring half pave instead of the full eternity. if i got it halfway done at 2mm, does that mean the shank is somewhat more durable since its not iced all the way around or does it make no difference? if it makes no difference then maybe ill just get the full eternity. thanks in advance for all your thoughts!

It sounds like you're both somewhat flexible about this, which is fantastic because it gives you a lot of great options!!

In answering your question about the shank's durability and a full vs 1/2 eternity, the ring will definitely be able to withstand more activity if you go with 1/2 pave vs full. But this is mainly because you'll have a much smaller chance of losing melee if you keep them on the top half only. As a data point, take a look at the other rings your gf has (maybe right hand rings for example) or other rings you've seen in jewelry stores, and you'll notice that at least 75% only have gemstones/diamonds along the top half. That's partly because the risk of losing stones from the bottom half is much higher, and the further around the finger that the diamonds go, the more and more care that has to be taken by its owner. With that said though, if someone really loves the look of being able to see sparkles no matter which way turn your hand (which happens to be my case), then you'll feel that the "extra" care that's needed for these rings is absolutely worth it.

Would you and your gf be open to a compromise, where you're able to get the full sparkle effect without going all the way around (since you're concerned with durability and rightly so)? You could go with 3/4 coverage, where the diamonds continue past the half-way point to appx the 5 o'clock and 7 o'clock positions at the bottom of the ring. That's the location on the ring that is at greatest risk for losing a stone (e.g., turning door knobs, driving, carrying your laptop/Ipad, etc etc), so by leaving that small area clear of pave, you've not only increased the robustness of the ring but it also allows her to get it re-sized if needed in the future.

There are a lot of PS folks who have gone in that direction and have had beautiful results! Run a search for 3/4 eternity rings and I'm sure you'll get a bunch of info and a ton of pics. It's just an idea, but talk it over with her, take a look at the threads on the website, and see what you think.

 

[Roxy]

Re: is 1.88mm shank too small for 1.33 RB in a cushion halo?

also about keeping the same size melee, any chance you can show me some of your pics of your full eternity band cause she is concerned about the more metal look. we did decide that we are going with 2mm. can i ask what size melee is suppose to go in a 2mm pave shank?

I'm glad you're going with 2mm. That should support diamonds that are appx 3 pointers since, on average, they're around 2mm in diameter. What size melee were you initially considering? What are the measurements of the 1.33 cushion? When it comes to the widths of ering bands or wbands, the dimensions of the diamond are really more important than the carat weight.

As for my rings, I'll definitely share as much info with you as possible! Here's the link to the thread that has pics of my rings & I'd be happy to answer any questions that might help you narrow things down.
[URL='https://www.pricescope.com/community/threads/anniv-upgrade-h-a-eternity-bands-w-d-stone.183487/']https://www.pricescope.com/community/threads/anniv-upgrade-h-a-eternity-bands-w-d-stone.183487/[/URL]

My rings are a shared-prong design (or sometimes its called "floating" diamonds), so they don't look like the pave we were talking about, however, I had to make the decision of whether to go with a little more metal to boost the security of my melee or not (similar to what you are facing now). There are two places where I compromised on allowing more metal:

1) On the depth of the platinum where the melee are set. From the side, the platinum looks like a series of little cups and the melee sits in the cups w/ only the crowns & girdles exposed vs "U's" where more of each melee is exposed. Don't get me wrong, I truly adore the artistic eternity designs (like the "U's) because they are breathtaking! But I wanted to be dazzled by sparkle from each & every angle (ie, full eternity) w/out constantly worrying about losing a stone more than I wanted the artistic profile. If you go with the 3/4, or definitely 1/2 eternity, you guys can have a much more artistic profile because you won't be as worried about losing stones from the underside of your finger.

2) On the size of the prongs that hold the melee in the "little cups". From normal viewing distance, the sparkle of the melee out-shine the presence of the prongs, especially because we went with H&A melee (ACAs, BGD's, etc etc will do the same thing). I decided to allow the prongs to be a little bigger than is currently acceptable, because I wanted to make sure that whenever the underside of my finger (the highest risk zone) comes in contact with something, the prongs (not diamonds) take the brunt of the impact which is working splendidly so far. Needless to say, I check my prongs daily, but who doesn't? Again, if you go with 1/2 or partial eternity and don't have to worry about the impact to the underside of her finger, her prongs can be much more delicate than mine.

I'm SO SORRY for the long post. I just wanted to give you as much food for thought as possible. I remember how overwhelming it got when making some of these decisions, so I've been trying to help clear the way as much as I can (given I'm not an expert) for others.

 

[haloprince]

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wow thanks so much for answering my questions in such detail and your rings came out absolutely gorgeous! the diamond we got is a Round Brilliant 1.33ct G SI2 (eye clean from arms length) not cushion with the measurements 7.15 width, 7.10 length, 4.29 depth. after what you wrote (which i had no problems reading all of it ) and a little searching on this forum, we have decided that we are definitely sticking with the 2mm and half eternity. i dont have a clue to what size melee they are using because i havent asked them yet. all i know is the melee are F/G color & VS clarity . if i were to get 3 pointers for the melee, would that give it the more metal look or the thinner metal look? not sure if it matters but i got my diamond and im getting "the perfect halo" setting from GOG made by Vatche

 

[haloprince]

Re: is 1.88mm shank too small for 1.33 RB in a cushion halo?

also another question, is the melee around the halo the same size as the melee on the shank? ive seen halos where the melee around the halo looks smaller then the melee on the pave? is that because they got a thicker shank so in order to get the less metal look, they had to make the shank melee bigger? im sorry if im asking ridiculous questions

 

[Christina...]

Re: is 1.88mm shank too small for 1.33 RB in a cushion halo?

I'm not sure if it's been mentioned yet, but be aware that we don't recommend that a ring with a pave shank be sized either. This can cause the tiny melee to become unseated and an increased risk of losing stones. When deciding what size ring to purchase I would be sure to try the engagement ring on with likely wedding band candidates as wearing two rings together can change how the ring fits, also consider weight changes and pregnancy. Typically our fingers are smaller in the winter than in the hot humidity of summer so this should be considered as well. Any slight changes in finger size can be corrected with sizing beads, so it's best to err on the side of caution and order the ring in a slightly larger size.

 

[haloprince]

Re: is 1.88mm shank too small for 1.33 RB in a cushion halo?

she is a finger size 5 so we decided to go with a sz 5.5 but with 2 circle shots or beads in them so she can have them removed later if need be

 

[distracts]

Re: is 1.88mm shank too small for 1.33 RB in a cushion halo?

I also want to throw in my rec for half or three-fourths eternity - I have a half eternity and mine doesn't spin or anything - most of my friends are surprised when they realize it's not a full eternity. I've had a few say that they want their ring to have diamonds all the way around like mine does and they're SHOCKED when I turn my hand over and there are no diamonds on the palm side. I've been wearing the wedding band solo for the past three days and I was worried that it would spin but it hasn't been. It's not really noticeable to me with either that it's only a half eternity unless I look on the bottom of my hands - even when I spread my fingers apart unless I turn my hand just right I can't see the plain part.

 

[haloprince]

Re: is 1.88mm shank too small for 1.33 RB in a cushion halo?

thanks for your response distracts!!! this helps us confirm that we are making the right choice with 2mm and half eternity with 3 pointers in the melee. she always has the option of getting the wedding band in full eternity so were happy about that.

 

[diamondseeker2006]

Re: is 1.88mm shank too small for 1.33 RB in a cushion halo?

Please go 3/4 on the diamonds on the shank. 7:00-5:00 will be good. I feel differently about a ring like Distracts that is a different design and wider shank. But the plain shank of the type setting you are looking at really needs to go 3/4 and not half. A thin shank ring will move on the finger and you will probably regret going half. I have a ring like Distracts does and mine has stones half and engraving the rest of the way around so you don't see the contrast as much as you do with diamonds and then polished band.

 

[haloprince]

Re: is 1.88mm shank too small for 1.33 RB in a cushion halo?

i think i like that idea better. thanks DS! 3/4 around the band it is. do u think i should go with 2 or 2.5 pointer melee instead of 3 pointers in my 2mm shank so i can lessen the chances of the diamond falling out?

 

[diamondseeker2006]

Re: is 1.88mm shank too small for 1.33 RB in a cushion halo?

I will have to look back at another thread to answer that, so be back in a few!

 

[haloprince]

Re: is 1.88mm shank too small for 1.33 RB in a cushion halo?

I will have to look back at another thread to answer that, so be back in a few!

thank you so much DS!!

 

[diamondseeker2006]

Re: is 1.88mm shank too small for 1.33 RB in a cushion halo?

Okay, this is a very informative thread and it shows three halo rings with shanks 1.8-1.95mm. She says the diamonds are about .2mm less than the metal width, so for a 2mm shank, your diamonds would be about 1.8mm depending on how they are set. But this is really a detail you need to discuss with your ring maker!

[URL='https://www.pricescope.com/community/threads/comparison-photos-of-my-victor-canera-sk-leon-ring-setting.166496/']https://www.pricescope.com/community/threads/comparison-photos-of-my-victor-canera-sk-leon-ring-setting.166496/[/URL]

 

[partgypsy]

Re: is 1.88mm shank too small for 1.33 RB in a cushion halo?

she is a finger size 5 so we decided to go with a sz 5.5 but with 2 circle shots or beads in them so she can have them removed later if need be

If she truly is a size 5, then increasing it 1/2 a size is going to make it too big. To tell the truth, even though for regular rings I wear a size 6, for my anniversary band I had my finger sized and I was really a 5 3/4. After talking to the jeweler I went and got it that size. 10+ years later and through 2 pregnancies I wear it pretty much every day. I'd really just try to get the size as spot on as you can. Or if you are concerned, only go up a 1/4 size with the sizing beads.

 

[haloprince]

Re: is 1.88mm shank too small for 1.33 RB in a cushion halo?

thanks for that link DS! it was a HOT thread to read but very useful. so i guess 3 pointers are out the question and ill have to make do with 2 pointers. im just hoping it comes out perfect and without too much metal. as for her finger size, where her finger bend is a sz 5.5 so we decided to go with 5.5 with shots. she tried it on and it fit perfect

 

[diamondseeker2006]

Re: is 1.88mm shank too small for 1.33 RB in a cushion halo?

I think the size is necessary since you need it to get over the knuckle. I think Vatche makes great quality rings and however they normally make the ring should be fine. My solitaire is from GOG and Vatche and I love it!

 

[haloprince]

Re: is 1.88mm shank too small for 1.33 RB in a cushion halo?

thanks again for your help DS and everybody else! ill be sure to post up some pictures as soon as i get the ring. i have no doubt they will make a beautiful ring

 

[VRBeauty]

Re: is 1.88mm shank too small for 1.33 RB in a cushion halo?

Okay, this is a very informative thread and it shows three halo rings with shanks 1.8-1.95mm. She says the diamonds are about .2mm less than the metal width, so for a 2mm shank, your diamonds would be about 1.8mm depending on how they are set. But this is really a detail you need to discuss with your ring maker!

[URL='https://www.pricescope.com/community/threads/comparison-photos-of-my-victor-canera-sk-leon-ring-setting.166496/']https://www.pricescope.com/community/threads/comparison-photos-of-my-victor-canera-sk-leon-ring-setting.166496/[/URL]

Are we still discussing the shank here? I'm not sure this halo "formula" would translate well for the shank. If I understand the look you're going for, you would have three diamonds across a rounded shank, in which case the "side" diamonds would be offset from the "center" diamond... or are you talking about a squared shank,where the top and each side are in effect their own distinct row of diamonds? Each case would call for different sized melee stones.

 

[haloprince]

Re: is 1.88mm shank too small for 1.33 RB in a cushion halo?

the link below is the setting im going for. obviously mine is a round and i would be getting the 3/4 eternity instead of the full. im sorry if im using the word shank wrong.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fo9Ecvkjy5Q

 

[VRBeauty]

Re: is 1.88mm shank too small for 1.33 RB in a cushion halo?

the link below is the setting im going for. obviously mine is a round and i would be getting the 3/4 eternity instead of the full. im sorry if im using the word shank wrong.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fo9Ecvkjy5Q

My bad - for some reason I thought you were looking at a 3-sided pave. So - please ignore my previous comment!