Find your diamond
Find your jewelry
shape
carat
color
clarity

How closely are you following Trump's trial, and aftermath?

How closely are you following Trump's trial, and aftermath?

  • Not at all

    Votes: 17 25.8%
  • Very little

    Votes: 17 25.8%
  • Little

    Votes: 4 6.1%
  • Averagely

    Votes: 11 16.7%
  • Much

    Votes: 3 4.5%
  • Very much

    Votes: 10 15.2%
  • As much as possible

    Votes: 4 6.1%

  • Total voters
    66
  • This poll will close: .

Dancing Fire

Super_Ideal_Rock
Premium
Joined
Apr 3, 2004
Messages
32,044
Go Trump! . The best post war Prez!:dance::clap:
 

Dancing Fire

Super_Ideal_Rock
Premium
Joined
Apr 3, 2004
Messages
32,044
I would be pretty surprised if he doesn't win again. The democratic leadership race seems to be pretty blah and not very inspiring.
I can beat any one of these D candidates ...:praise: . socialism? . Not in the next 100 yrs, but AOC said the end of the world is within 10 yrs, so let's enjoy our blings now!
 
Last edited:

AGBF

Super_Ideal_Rock
Premium
Joined
Jan 26, 2003
Messages
21,506
People who can think critically; write logically; and stick to the points of an argument are "the good guys" in the way I was using the term. I tend to find them in more in many former Republicans, who remain conservatives, than in current members of the Republican Party, but I was not dismissing all Republicans. Susan Del Percio, for example, has opted to remain a Republican although Niccolle Wallace; Joe Scarborough; Tom Nichols; George Will and many other thoughtful members of the Republican Party have left it to become independents in the past few years.

I was not intending to impugn any specific Pricescope members with my post, although I was lauding JPie. As I look directly above my current posting, I can, honestly, say that Dancing Fire's postings do not meet the criteria of what I would have called the posting of "a good guy" politically. He makes a statement and never backs it up. But I consider Dancing Fire himself to be a good man. He has been my friend for years.
 

the_mother_thing

Ideal_Rock
Premium
Joined
Mar 2, 2013
Messages
6,202
I’m beginning to think it was the House’s goal to make listening to their presentation as painful for viewers as possible to intentionally get people to tune out so their inept case wouldn’t be revealed to voters. It’s shamefully obvious the story-book readers didn’t prepare nor pre-read their own material; and, listening to Rep. Garcia just now, fumbling through her portions of the House’s impeachment script like a 2nd grader trying to pronounce 5th grade words, might just be the most painful experience I’ve been exposed to in my entire life.
8C8037FA-9B3D-49E8-B9E5-70E8AAEA97B4.gif
 

Bayek

Ideal_Rock
Premium
Joined
May 11, 2013
Messages
7,048
No one is asking the right to anything, the Democrats have proved that Trump did a shakedown.

I'll ask again, what proof would the right need? seriously now. If this were Carter and he did this stuff I'd want him impeached an out, if it were Clinton I'd want him out, either of the Bush's. For the left it's about this president's abuse of power.

Trump was impeached:

Trump Impeached for Abuse of Power and Obstruction of Congress

The democrats have proof and it was presented, it can be read anywhere BUT right wing news sites.

To me he's done way worse than Clinton did, although 20+ years later I feel much sorrier for Monica Lewinsky and Hilary Clinton, both abused by a man. Today I would have wanted him out, I guess I have become more conservative, when I was younger I felt this situation was between a husband and wife and had zero, nada to do with Whitewater, it was a witch hunt. I still feel that way.

It is my belief that you won't answer the question because you do not read anything but right wing news.



@Tekate

1) It’s not the “right’s” job to ‘prove’ anything; that’s the Dems’ job to prove guilt. THAT is how it works ... therefore,

2) There’s nothing to ‘answer’ in your post; you’re regurgitating the House’s still unproven allegations. If you’re still confused, see #1 above.

:wavey:
 

Bayek

Ideal_Rock
Premium
Joined
May 11, 2013
Messages
7,048
Abso, @the_mother_thing has gorgeous jewelry and I admire her taste and her software ability, her politics, meh not so much, but we are a free country - so far. ;-)

Agree or disagree politically I have no animosity towards any PSers here.
 

Bayek

Ideal_Rock
Premium
Joined
May 11, 2013
Messages
7,048
I think my brother in law and sil and his kids are the most honest people in DC. love them very much. Schiff don't know him personally but I do know someone who works very closely with him and says he's brilliant, kind and caring. Who knows.

And Schiff is the most honest person in DC...:wink2:
 

Bayek

Ideal_Rock
Premium
Joined
May 11, 2013
Messages
7,048
Neither of the Bush presidents or Obama or Carter or Ford were impeached, so I can safely say it's an anomaly that we have had these jerks as presidents. So you don't worry yourself, I think once we get a good person - woman or man - in the White House all will be back to the normal arguing about this bill or that bill etc.


What so sad about this crazy impeachment is from now on any Prez. from the opposing party can be impeached by the majority of house for spitting on the sidewalk. Will it be a norm to have impeachment hearing every yr from now on if we have an opposing party Prez. vs the house?
 

Bayek

Ideal_Rock
Premium
Joined
May 11, 2013
Messages
7,048
:) I felt embarrassed that I had her name wrong! I am lazy at 67.. so I truly apologize Kenny to you and ALL including @the_mother_thing for having it wrong..No biggie as you say but none the less I don't like when I made mistakes like that show's I'm slipping, but that's okay too because I'm still alive :)


Thanks Missy and Tekate.

I put MOT on ignore a while back.
Also I posted I was doing so, just to explain why I'd not be responding to her if she addressed me.
But I can't expect everyone to have seen that post or remember seeing it.
I didn't see his/her post, and am accustomed to people using the quote feature.

That's why I didn't know what MOT was, or that it was even a poster.
No biggie. =)
 
Last edited:

Bayek

Ideal_Rock
Premium
Joined
May 11, 2013
Messages
7,048
TeKate - c'est moi!
 

Bayek

Ideal_Rock
Premium
Joined
May 11, 2013
Messages
7,048
SOS = Sack of S--T :)
 

Dancing Fire

Super_Ideal_Rock
Premium
Joined
Apr 3, 2004
Messages
32,044
No one is asking the right to anything, the Democrats have proved that Trump did a shakedown.
If Biden becomes POTUS should the house impeach him for the shakedown of Ukraine?
 

Calliecake

Ideal_Rock
Premium
Joined
Jun 7, 2014
Messages
7,117
Another day, another crime...... All people innocent of wrong doing threaten people....

CBS News is reporting that GOP senators have been warned if they vote against Trump they will be systematically destroyed, with their head on a pIke.

Instead of complaining about the trial being boring people should actually listen to the evidence that is being presented.
 

Bayek

Ideal_Rock
Premium
Joined
May 11, 2013
Messages
7,048
If he shookdown Ukraine sure, but there is nothing I've read that he did. What I have read is that he was following established US standards, what have you read?

If Biden becomes POTUS should the house impeach him for the shakedown of Ukraine?
 

the_mother_thing

Ideal_Rock
Premium
Joined
Mar 2, 2013
Messages
6,202
No one is asking the right to anything, the Democrats have proved that Trump did a shakedown.

I'll ask again, what proof would the right need? seriously now. If this were Carter and he did this stuff I'd want him impeached an out, if it were Clinton I'd want him out, either of the Bush's. For the left it's about this president's abuse of power.

Trump was impeached:

Trump Impeached for Abuse of Power and Obstruction of Congress

The democrats have proof and it was presented, it can be read anywhere BUT right wing news sites.

To me he's done way worse than Clinton did, although 20+ years later I feel much sorrier for Monica Lewinsky and Hilary Clinton, both abused by a man. Today I would have wanted him out, I guess I have become more conservative, when I was younger I felt this situation was between a husband and wife and had zero, nada to do with Whitewater, it was a witch hunt. I still feel that way.

It is my belief that you won't answer the question because you do not read anything but right wing news.
1) I’m pretty sure there is a table-full of House Dems (and fellow Dems who picked them) eternally ‘prayerful’ that the ‘right’ will buy the story they are telling. Yes, these clowns are asking the ‘right’ to buy what they are selling. I’ve seen street-corner sign-flippers more convincing.

2) I won’t speak for everyone on ’the right’; just me. Solid evidence is not a hard concept to grasp when trying to convict someone of a crime, much less one as serious as impeachment & removal from the highest office. No, I do NOT believe a President - ANY President - should be removed from office based on frayed shreds of circumstantial evidence offered by a group of witnesses who could not name a single impeachable offense, and for which is very loosely woven into something one side thinks is ’a case’ ... especially when the real reason for doing so is to render the votes of millions of citizens as uninformed & invaluable as some here view the very people who cast them by virtue of their unwillingness or inability to write/think/vote the way the Left thinks they should. It’s nothing short of sanctimonious arrogance to cast any person as somehow ‘inferior’ because they don’t believe/think/vote the same way, for the same reasons as ‘you’ do.

3) You’re free to believe whatever you want. Like you said, “we are a free country” ... and keeping a Dem out of the WH in 2020 will ensure we remain such.

4) Thank you for the compliment on my jewelry taste and software ability; that was kind of you to compliment, and I’m not put off by the name confusion so long as your reasons are as stated.
 

Dancing Fire

Super_Ideal_Rock
Premium
Joined
Apr 3, 2004
Messages
32,044
Why bother to vote? We just let the house majority pick our Prez. :rolleyes:
 

kenny

Super_Ideal_Rock
Premium
Joined
Apr 30, 2005
Messages
28,663
Better yet, let's just
:) I felt embarrassed that I had her name wrong! I am lazy at 67.. so I truly apologize Kenny to you and ALL including @the_mother_thing for having it wrong..No biggie as you say but none the less I don't like when I made mistakes like that show's I'm slipping, but that's okay too because I'm still alive :)
No problem. :)

... and talk about slipping ... I'm so accustomed to being clueless these days, I should just shut up and give up.
Sorry to harass you. :oops:
 
Last edited:

Dancing Fire

Super_Ideal_Rock
Premium
Joined
Apr 3, 2004
Messages
32,044
Is this a FAKE video?. It sure doesn't sound like the same Nadler of today ..
 

Bayek

Ideal_Rock
Premium
Joined
May 11, 2013
Messages
7,048
As fake as Graham's I suppose.



Is this a FAKE video?. It sure doesn't sound like the same Nadler of today ..
 

Bayek

Ideal_Rock
Premium
Joined
May 11, 2013
Messages
7,048
@kenny you were fine Kenny, no problem.
 

Bayek

Ideal_Rock
Premium
Joined
May 11, 2013
Messages
7,048
Because it's not in the constitution and I doubt either party would want a rewrite or addition you should know that.
 

the_mother_thing

Ideal_Rock
Premium
Joined
Mar 2, 2013
Messages
6,202
I’m already very pleased with how the WH Counsel - clearly, succinctly & methodically - is beginning to unweave the massive amount of BS the House Dems have tried to shove down our throats for months. :clap::clap:

And I’ll just ask folks who can be reasonable one question that I HOPE the WH counsel also asks/points out, but doubt they will:

House Dems allege Trump did ALL of this in an effort to get dirt on Biden to use it against him in the upcoming election for personal political gain.

That would suggest - in July 2019 - everyone including Trump and House Democrats - knew/believed/resolved that Joe Biden was not only going to eventually be the party’s candidate, but that he would also likely win the 2020 election.

At that time, Joe Biden:
~ was 1-2 months post-announcing his candidacy;
~ was one of ~13 or more candidates on the Dem stage;
~ could barely fill a Holiday Inn conference room with ‘supporters’ on the campaign trail;
~ shared the stage with one other candidate in particular who had/has significant support and whose supporters have a very large axe to grind after 2016/DNC/HRC and who still command a large support base; and,
~ was not only the Dem equivalent of low-energy ‘Jeb Bush’, but - then and now - has repeatedly raised significant ‘cognitive’ concerns about his ability to serve as POTUS.

And, at that same time, Donald Trump:
~ was the incumbent;
~ was riding very high on a strong economy & host of other accomplishments and making good on his campaign promises (whether you agree or not with them), and specifically as it pertains to THIS matter - to include focusing on rooting out corruption and making sure we’re not giving foreign aid to corrupt countries;
~ was and continues to draw thousands of supporters at his campaign events.

One more point to consider: Hillary was a FAR more formidable opponent in 2016 than Joe Biden can ever dream of being, and Trump beat her. I’m not ‘rubbing it in’; I’m pointing out an obvious reality.

So ask yourself: who actually thinks Donald Trump reasonably & realistically BELIEVED he was going to lose to Joe Biden in November, where he would actually feel the need to attempt to coerce a foreign government to do what he’s accused of? We’re talking about arrogant, self-righteous, self-absorbed, grand-standing Donald Trump.

Does anyone actually believe he really thought he was going to lose? To ‘Sleepy Joe’? For that to be true, everyone from Donald Trump AND the Democratic Party would have had to wholeheartedly believe or know that Joe Biden WOULD ABSOLUTELY BE THE DEMOCRATIC CANDIDATE.

Who KNEW that, in July 2019? Who even THOUGHT that, in July 2019?

The only people who could think that were those who were already rigging the 2020 election to put Joe Biden on the ballot by that ’D’; because at that time - in July 2019 - there were 13 or more candidates on the Dems’ stage ... again, one of whom was and remains VERY popular and Joe Biden was just beginning to pour gas in his tank.

This speaks directly to ‘intent’ ... not ‘intent’ to commit a crime, but ‘intent’ behind that which House Dems accuse Trump of having for asking Ukraine for investigations in the first place, in July 2019.

I think what this fundamental reality reveals is the actual intent of the Dems & DNC and why they have perpetrated this sham/hoax of an impeachment ... to continue covering up what began more than three years ago.

Yes, 2+2 DOES equal 4 ... but what Schiff & House Dems failed to tell everyone is that they round the crap out of the numbers.
 

the_mother_thing

Ideal_Rock
Premium
Joined
Mar 2, 2013
Messages
6,202
In one hour and 10 minutes, the WH counsel has already managed to shred so much of the House Dems’ case ... with their own facts.

I HATE that they aren’t going to continue for a full day today, when I’d be able to actually watch it all unfold uninterrupted. :(
 

the_mother_thing

Ideal_Rock
Premium
Joined
Mar 2, 2013
Messages
6,202
The reactionary blatant desperation by House Dems is laughable at best ... Schiff & Nadler press conference just now asking "Why didn’t they bring up Bolton, Mulvaney? Why didn’t they show evidence of ..."

The WH team presented an opening for two hours. I’d be damned if I’d lay out my hard case/evidence & get into the meat today and have to refresh everyone on it 48 hours later when they resume.

I may just take a half-day of vacation Monday so I don’t miss the resumption of the WH team’s presentation. :think:
 

Maria D

Brilliant_Rock
Premium
Joined
Jan 24, 2003
Messages
1,891
House Dems allege Trump did ALL of this in an effort to get dirt on Biden to use it against him in the upcoming election for personal political gain.
Nope. At the direction of Trump, all this was done to get Zelensky to publicly announce an investigation of the Bidens. No actual investigation needed to take place. Sondland's sworn testimony: “I said that resumption of the U.S. aid would likely not occur until Ukraine provided the public anticorruption statement that we had been discussing for many weeks.”

The announcement was planned for September 13, 2019, in an interview with CNN's Fareed Zakaria. But by then word of the military aid to Ukraine freeze had leaked and Congress was in an uproar. On Sept. 9th investigations on Trump, Giuliani and others were launched. On Sept. 11th the Trump administration released the aid and Zelensky's office cancelled the interview.

Trump's approval rating in mid-August 2019 was 39% approve, 57% disapprove, 4% no opinion.
 

smitcompton

Ideal_Rock
Premium
Joined
Feb 11, 2006
Messages
2,635
Hi,

The plot was hatched in 2018(I think May) Audio tape of dinner was made available last nite. The Pres fired the Ukranian Ambassador, because she was blocking his efforts to look for dirt on Joe Biden. In the end he asked that an announcement be made by Zelenski of an investigation into Joe Biden and Hunter Biden. He did not care if an investigation was actually done. He also held back an inaugural visit from Mike Pence until this announcement was made.

Yes, the WH counsel is attacking the Dems, but the facts will hold, whether or not he is removed.

DT was worried about Joe Biden. Rudy Guiliani was sent to Ukraine , at the Pres request, to get the dirt.

I do recall that I was for the impeachment of Bill Clinton, not because of what he did with Monica Lewinski, but because women came forward with rape allegations. In fact there was more evidence that was not shown at the trial, but could be viewed in a secure sciff (Sp). When Senators came out of there it was said that it was another rape allegation, which was credible.

TMT- If DT is your cup of tea, so be it. I hope we can move on from him.

Annette
 

the_mother_thing

Ideal_Rock
Premium
Joined
Mar 2, 2013
Messages
6,202
@Maria D I was paraphrasing in my comment, as I assume you’re doing as well given your post also does not mirror ver batim the content of the actual articles of impeachment. But let’s look at the precise language in Article 1:

C07AE2F4-BB40-4205-B8B7-F0519C0A9A81.jpeg

Dems allege & needed to prove that:
~ Trump solicited Ukraine “to publicly announce investigations“
And that those investigations would:
~ benefit (Trump’s) re-election;
~ harm (Biden’s) prospects; and,
~ influence the 2020 election to Trump’s advantage.

And it’s these three things that I was referring to with regard to Trump’s ‘intent’. Given the timing and people we’re talking about, I do not believe Trump needed - nor do I think Trump believed he needed - help beating Joe Biden. And IF that is true, that shoots down the Dems’ assertion for Trump’s motives (personal/political gain). Moreover, if Rudy was digging into Biden & Ukraine as far back as 2018, that long precedes Biden’s candidacy announcement and Biden being considered a political opponent. That establishes Trump was concerned about corruption, Ukraine & Biden involvement in both, and eliminates the ‘personal/political gain’ they allege.

I believe it’s more reasonable that Trump had valid reasons - long before July 2019 - for believing Joe Biden was involved in some shady shizz involving Ukraine from 2016, and that that shady shizz probably warranted the investigations Trump was seeking in the July 2019 call. I also believe that given the extreme amount of media scrutiny on Trump with the Russia hoax, all the FISA abuse, HRC’s dossier, all the leaks by Obama holdovers, and the media’s treatment of him since he took office, that he had a very reasonable purpose for not getting the agencies involved and letting Rudy first figure out if there was any ‘there’ there.

If anything, this whole charade looks more and more to be an attempt by House Dems to interfere with the election and help Biden because Dems don’t really want a socialist as their candidate. Hmm, sure sounds like possible collusion!

Further, I heard Former U.S. Senator Claire McCaskill - from her comfy seat at the desk on MSNBC - say today (paraphrasing) that following process doesn’t matter when it comes to how the House subpoenas were issued, if votes took place, etc. Think about the implications of that for a moment - she said that it did NOT matter if the rules were followed in attempting to unseat the President of the United States. That is as Constitutionally-dangerous a belief as it is to abuse the power of one’s office.

@smitcompton Darn right she was fired, she should have been and he had a right and reason to do it. Did you listen to the ENTIRE recording? She was a Clinton holdover who was telling people in Ukraine - in 2018 - "just wait, he’ll be impeached’. She was undermining HIS foreign policy on foreign soil; no one elected her, the people elected HIM. By the way, It was also noted on that recording - if you listen to the whole thing - that Biden was involved in the Ukraine corruption, and not by Trump. HELLO!

I’m growing more of the mindset every passing day that the WH counsel rip the lid off the entire corrupt gaggle of Dem goons, subpoena every one of these corrupt, scumbags to testify in the Senate trial, and expose their BS for the world to see!
 

the_mother_thing

Ideal_Rock
Premium
Joined
Mar 2, 2013
Messages
6,202
I can’t believe I’m taking up for the socialist & Dems :doh:but think about the ironic timing; it makes a lot of sense why ‘Prayerful Pelosi‘ held onto the Impeachment articles as long as she did.

Where do Bernie and all the other senators campaigning want & really need to be right now?

What ‘front-pack’ Dem politician does that benefit?

247D06B0-3823-49B7-9426-72825F6A21F8.gif
 
  • Like
Reactions: JrJ
Be a part of the community It's free, join today!
    August Birthstone 2020: Peridot
    August Birthstone 2020: Peridot
    Fabulous 5 Carat Emerald Cut and More!
    Fabulous 5 Carat Emerald Cut and More!
    Stunning Engagement Ring Upgrade
    Stunning Engagement Ring Upgrade

Need Something Special?

Get a quote from multiple trusted and vetted jewelers.

Holloway Cut Advisor



Diamond Eye Candy

Click to view full-size image.

New posts

Top