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Stive85

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Hi everyone!

Need some help and guidance with an eternity ring I'm going to be getting my wife..

My wife likes simpler settings where it's a straight row of diamonds...but open beyond that... Depending on pricing, I'd like to consider doing a full wrap around with a sizing bar (u shaped setting?) for her... But again, see what the cost is..

I will be contacting whiteflash regarding superideal melee diamonds... How many should I be inquiring about and at what size? What would a 0.15 carat stone run me? Would those be too small?

I'm open to all help and advice and would appreciate all of your feedback.

Thanks!
 
KKJohnson said:
They already have pricing for UProng setting

https://www.whiteflash.com/wedding-rings/annettes-u-prong-eternity-diamond-wedding-band-5072.htm
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Thanks!

However, I forgot to mention that I'm in Canada... So I'd prefer to get loose stones shipped here as having them set will cause there to be duty.

I have some old rings from my grandmother I was going to have melted down and used for setting as well...

Would 10 pointers do the the trick? Rough estimate of the cost of each?

Thanks!
 
Stive85 said:
Hi everyone!

Need some help and guidance with an eternity ring I'm going to be getting my wife..

My wife likes simpler settings where it's a straight row of diamonds...but open beyond that... Depending on pricing, I'd like to consider doing a full wrap around with a sizing bar (u shaped setting?) for her... But again, see what the cost is..

I will be contacting whiteflash regarding superideal melee diamonds... How many should I be inquiring about and at what size? What would a 0.15 carat stone run me? Would those be too small?

I'm open to all help and advice and would appreciate all of your feedback.

Thanks!
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I have a Brian Gavin 3/4 eternity with .15 stones so you can get an idea of the size. They didn’t have them with .15 stones so I asked for a quote. The setting is also a uprong. I’ll try to take a photo later of the side view showing the prongs. I like low profile rings and I kept the stone size smaller for that reason..and also because I thought bigger stones would bother me between the fingers. This ring is a little higher than I thought but I love it..I use the chat feature when I contact them or Whiteflash.
I take horrible photos but the diamonds are extremely sparkly and white..I should also add that if you bank wire the money instead of charging it the price is reduced a little.Good luck!
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Thanks for the picture! In order to stay in a reasonable budget, I am going to inquire about 10 pointer stones...Her ER is 1.07 carets and an H colour, so I think the 10 pointers will be perfect.

My concern is now finding a goldsmith with a similar mold, and hoping I can melt down the 3 rings I have to create the setting now. I would have whiteflash do it all, but the duty makes it not worth it.

Great pictures... thanks again.
 
Jewelers regularly do not melt down your rings to make new rings. The alloys and such impurities can cause porosity. They generally like to use “new” gold. More likely, they would use a semimount (meaning a ring already made, but with no stones) and then set your stones.

And the labor cost to set outilside stones would probably more than eat up whatever import fees you might incur.

Get quotes from a local jeweler. Ask whether they actually use your remelted gold or give you credit (scrap pricing) for the metal weight you turn over. Ask if they set outside stones and how much they charge to set each stone. There would be over 20 ten-pointers in a full eternity.

Add all that up, then compare against Whiteflash’s price for their ring.
 
I dont think WF or BGD sell their melee without being set. Have you asked? Plus from what I understand you cant just melt down gold and reuse that
gold for a new ring. It has too many impurities in it and needs to be added to a bigger batch of gold to be refined. So they may give you the going price
on gold for your three rings but you wont get the exact gold metal back (you probably already knew this).

Edit...I see that Ringo and I were posting at the same time.
 
Agree with ringo865 and tyty333 that it would unusual for a jeweler to melt and refine your grandmother's gold rings themselves to fabricate a new one. Also, even if WF agrees to sell you loose, A Cut Above melee, I'd be surprised if your local jeweler will agree to be responsible for any loss-damage to "outside" diamonds (i.e., ones supplied by the customer) while the stones are in their shop; that need not be a concern if Whiteflash makes the ring with their own ACAs.

And you know that Whiteflash, who has made oodles of such rings through the years, will do a fine job (or make it right, if the ring slipped by quality control when it shouldn't have); do you have that level of confidence in your local jeweler?
 
Wanted to agree with others that you really don't want to melt down the old rings (and a good jeweler will say no). I just asked about this with a gold chain DH got from his late father and was told the same thing as people are saying above.


I would highly recommend having WF do the whole ring.
 
Thank you for all the advice and direction!

I will look at both BG and Whiteflash and have everything done there.

Anyone have any experience with IDJ? I hear good things and like some of the bands there. However, will the stones that are sourced for the rings be superideal cuts?

Thanks again
 
Stive85 said:
Thank you for all the advice and direction!

I will look at both BG and Whiteflash and have everything done there.

Anyone have any experience with IDJ? I hear good things and like some of the bands there. However, will the stones that are sourced for the rings be superideal cuts?

Thanks again
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I love IDJ and think they'd do a great job with this project. The question of whether they can source "super-ideal" stones is nuanced. IMHO, the term "super-ideal" is reserved for trusted vendors who have their own specific brand of stones that are cut to exacting proportions (e.g. CBI, ACA, BGD 'signature', Victor Canera's stones). IDJ doesn't have their own brand of stones, but they certainly can source stones that are well within "ideal" parameters, especially if you specify that you want "PS quality" stones. They are wizards and finding amazing stuff within budget, so I have no qualms about working with them--I just wouldn't use the phrase "super-ideal", but I think my definition might be a little different from other people's.
 
not sure whether Whiteflash sells ACA melee (e.g., under .25 ct, which this would be)
 
lovedogs said:
I love IDJ and think they'd do a great job with this project. The question of whether they can source "super-ideal" stones is nuanced. IMHO, the term "super-ideal" is reserved for trusted vendors who have their own specific brand of stones that are cut to exacting proportions (e.g. CBI, ACA, BGD 'signature', Victor Canera's stones). IDJ doesn't have their own brand of stones, but they certainly can source stones that are well within "ideal" parameters, especially if you specify that you want "PS quality" stones. They are wizards and finding amazing stuff within budget, so I have no qualms about working with them--I just wouldn't use the phrase "super-ideal", but I think my definition might be a little different from other people's.
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I see what you're saying... I do want to try and keep the budget in check to a degree, as I'll have plenty more opportunity to purchase lareger, more expensive pieces.

I suppose I don't need 'superideal' cut diamonds and would be happy with ideal cut high quality stones.... In fact my wife's ER is a 60/60 stone and scores well on the HCA and had nice idealscope images and sparkles like crazy...

I'm thinking Inquiring about a full or 3/4 wrap, but will have to have a sizing bar... I see on their site they have 5 pointers and 10 pointers in this style... What type of quality would the stones be just as is on those? Is there melee stones easily sourced for a size in between?
 
Stive85 said:
I see what you're saying... I do want to try and keep the budget in check to a degree, as I'll have plenty more opportunity to purchase lareger, more expensive pieces.

I suppose I don't need 'superideal' cut diamonds and would be happy with ideal cut high quality stones.... In fact my wife's ER is a 60/60 stone and scores well on the HCA and had nice idealscope images and sparkles like crazy...

I'm thinking Inquiring about a full or 3/4 wrap, but will have to have a sizing bar... I see on their site they have 5 pointers and 10 pointers in this style... What type of quality would the stones be just as is on those? Is there melee stones easily sourced for a size in between?
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If I were you, I'd call IDJ and ask what the cost would be for the given size/quality you are looking for. I know they have a range of stone types for different budgets, and can get you ideal cuts, but can also save you some $ if you don't *need* the most ideal stones.
 
Ok everyone,

I am working with IDJ on the eternity band, but have a couple choices left that I want help with deciding on.

As mentioned the wifes ER is an h colour 1.07 ct. solitaire in a 6 prong lower profile setting.

I have chosen the u shaped setting and have included the picture. I now need to decide between 5 pointers and 7 pointers. The stones will be "pricescope quality" and f/g and SI quality.

Any advice? For the extra 400 bucks, should I go bigger stones? Or are 5 pointers nice size and noticeable enough? They have sent me pictures (They've been great) but I'd also like your input.

Do I need to be weary of the setting I've chosen? Quality, or rubbing against ER prongs?

Thanks again!5pts 19diaW4869.jpg
 
Adding that it will be 14k white gold... Not sure if the lower k of gold would damage Er prongs...

Thanks again... Hopefully order tomorrow..

Any last minute device is appreciated as well!
 
Stive85 said:
Do I need to be weary of .... rubbing against ER prongs?
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Yes, you should be cautious. Did you give IDJ the measurements of the e-ring?

Re Style: I have some other brief notes, but those will require photoshop to explain, so you should confirm with IDJ asap about fit with Ering
 
HappyNewLife said:
I have a u-prong eternity band from IDJ with 7 pointers, take a look here:

https://www.pricescope.com/community/threads/id-jewelry-u-prong-eternity-ring-1-5-ct.219215/

It's beautiful, but my photos sucked. If you want me to take some photos of me wearing it with my e-ring, let me know (It's a right hand ring, slighly larger than my e-ring)
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Very nice! exactly what I am looking for! Only reason I want a 3/4, is that my wife is just shy of 30 and so there is a good chance her finger size may change over time!

Sounds like you had quite a deal! Mine too is slightly under 2k, but obviously has a few less diamonds and is 14k gold... I hear nothing but good things about IDJ, so I am sure it has to do with inflation.... Thanks so much for the reference!
 
Here were my style thoughts, but these are largely personal preference:

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The tighter prongs emphasize the round shape of the stones. If we could see sample stones (or just one or two) set in the CAD, that would help to figure out how the stones sit in the band.
 
Stive85 said:
Very nice! exactly what I am looking for! Only reason I want a 3/4, is that my wife is just shy of 30 and so there is a good chance her finger size may change over time!

Sounds like you had quite a deal! Mine too is slightly under 2k, but obviously has a few less diamonds and is 14k gold... I hear nothing but good things about IDJ, so I am sure it has to do with inflation.... Thanks so much for the reference!
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oh wow, I guess I did get a good deal! Mine is a full eternity AND platinum!
 
Molecule.... Thanks for taking the time to show me some suggestions with Photoshop! I'm not looking to go more custom, as the current pricing vs quality is really appealing at my age...

I am going to speak with them tomorrow just regarding over expectations got the diamonds if I am paying similiar to what a full eternity ring in platinum was just a couple years back.... They've been great so far tho!
 
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