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Help Please with Victor Canera Emilya and Anna Marie

cmrocks

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Hi girls,

I just signed up here. Last weekend, my girlfriend and I were walking around downtown Vancouver and she kept craning her neck looking at the window displays of diamond rings. We visited a few stores and she initially fell in love with the Tiffany Soleste. The ring we looked at was a 1.21 ct, H, VVS2 for $23,100 which is at the very top of my budget. We've talked about marriage plenty and she knows that she can go up to $25,000. I'm letting her pick the ring out because there is no way in a million years that I would have got it right.

Anyways, the Soleste was her favorite but it wasn't quite perfect. She wanted something with more vintage detailing etc. Also, after speaking with her friends, she decided that we could get more value for our money by going custom. She doesn't care at all about the brand name.

After Googling for a while, I came across this site and learned about Victor Canera. I viewed a lot of his rings and they're absolutely beautiful and he comes extremely highly rated. I showed her his website and she loves both the Anna Marie (which is very similar to the Soleste) but she's actually leaning towards the Emilya with Filigree profile at this point in time.

I noticed that the Emilya's tend to be set with center stones around 2.0 ct in size. They look beautiful like this. The Anna Marie's tend to have smaller center stones. I know that an Anna Marie with a 1.5 ct center is right at the top of my budget because I saw one for sale like that on his website; however, I couldn't find a price for an Emilya with a 2.0 ct center.

I guess my question is, am I shooting well above my price point with a ring like this?
 

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I don't think you are shooting well above your price point. You can get up to a 2 carat stone for $20,000 if you go down in color or clarity. Do a search on here and I'm sure others will chime in with suggestions. That would leave plenty for the Emilya setting- not sure about the Anne Marie. I have a 2 carat SI2 k color stone in an Emilya halo. I have seen emilyas with one carat stones, and they are just as beautiful. A larger stone just gives more finger coverage. What size fingers does she have? Here is a pic of mine:

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Are we talking cushions or round, and if cushions, modern or vintage?

I see more than a few stones that would work, knowing the cost of an emilya depending on a lot of factors is around $5k-- that leaves you $20,000 for the stone which is a pretty generous budget. There's at least one stone on good old gold that is above the 2ct mark, J/VS2 AVC.

Victor himself has listed a ~1.50 I/IF with a really nice facet pattern that would leave you $5k+ left over. He may be able to source you one that is close to or at the 2ct mark. Mark at ERD has a J/SI1 that is 2.05 and only $13k-ish. He can make you a very similar ring, as well.

If we're talking about rounds I think that you'd be able to easily do a 2ct round with an Emilya for under $25k. It would depend a little on your color tolerance. I'm more familiar with the antique cushions versus modern cushions or rounds.
 

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Thank you everyone!

That is very encouraging news.

I'm pretty sure that she wants a square center stone. I don't know the difference between square, cushion, modern, vintage etc.

Her fingers are sort or long and narrow. I'm not sure of the exact size. I can post a picture with the 1.21 ct Tiffany Soleste that she tried on but that's the only photo I have of her hand.

She's probably willing to sacrifice clarity and color for size. I'm a geologist by trade so I have a harder time agreeing to that. I'd rather see her with a nice 1.5 or 1.75 but it's ultimately her decision.
 

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Here's a picture of the 1.21 ct Tiffany Soleste.

The Anna Marie by Victor Canera looks almost the same. I personally like this double halo design better but she prefers the Emilya.

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cmrocks|1380387080|3528880 said:
Thank you everyone!

That is very encouraging news.

I'm pretty sure that she wants a square center stone. I don't know the difference between square, cushion, modern, vintage etc.

Her fingers are sort or long and narrow. I'm not sure of the exact size. I can post a picture with the 1.21 ct Tiffany Soleste that she tried on but that's the only photo I have of her hand.

She's probably willing to sacrifice clarity and color for size. I'm a geologist by trade so I have a harder time agreeing to that. I'd rather see her with a nice 1.5 or 1.75 but it's ultimately her decision.

First of all, KUDOS to you for letting her pick it. SHE is going to be the one wearing it, so it is great that you are all about making HER happy! :appl:

I would NOT go with square (princess.) As far as cushions, there is a big difference between the antique or august vintage vs. a modern cushion cut. Has she looked at any?
 

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You can easily find a 1.5 to 2.0 ct for under 20K.
 

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also, keep in mind that a 2 carat cushion will look smaller than a 2 carat round. How big is that stone in the pic? 1.21?
 

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soxfan|1380388144|3528888 said:
also, keep in mind that a 2 carat cushion will look smaller than a 2 carat round. How big is that stone in the pic? 1.21?

Yes, it was 1.21 in that picture. Not sure on the shape of the cut.
 

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cmrocks|1380388333|3528891 said:
I wasn't clear on that. She just wants the overall, finished shape of the ring to be square. I guess it's vintage cushion that she likes.

This was the exact one that she fell in love with:

http://www.victorcanera.com/the-emilya-halo-with-filigree-profile

WOW! I hadn't seen that one on Victor's site before. Ok, so you want a 2 carat vintage cushion with that setting.....
 

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I agree that you can certainly get a very nice diamond and setting with your budget, though you may have to go down slightly in colour/cut/clarity to account for a larger carat and/or VC's pricepoint.

And though you're right that most Emilya's seem to be set with 2+ct stones, VC has also made some equally stunning Emilya's for diamonds in the 1-2ct range. If your/her preference is for the Emilya, don't let the carat size stop you.

If you'd like to see what they look like in
eh613c's 1.03ct:
[URL='https://www.pricescope.com/community/threads/my-victor-canera-emilya-ring.169314/']https://www.pricescope.com/community/threads/my-victor-canera-emilya-ring.169314/[/URL]

Bastetcat's 1.58ct:
[URL='https://www.pricescope.com/community/threads/i-did-it-my-new-1-58-oec-upgrade-in-halo.191076/']https://www.pricescope.com/community/threads/i-did-it-my-new-1-58-oec-upgrade-in-halo.191076/[/URL]

Susimoo's 1.7ct:
[URL='https://www.pricescope.com/community/threads/my-new-victor-canera-masterpiece-emilya-halo-meets-gog-h-a.172697/']https://www.pricescope.com/community/threads/my-new-victor-canera-masterpiece-emilya-halo-meets-gog-h-a.172697/[/URL]
 

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Victor won't set AVC's will he?
 

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Victor actually suggested that 1.5 ct ring that was linked to above set in the Anna Marie. That's what I'm pushing my girlfriend towards. She wants lots of coverage over her finger so I think the Anna Marie would be better suited for that. She really wants the filigree profile on the ring though and, for some reason, she thinks Victor can't do that. I think she may have just misinterpreted the email. I'm planning on calling him next week and speaking with him in person.

I was wondering, does anyone have any links to Anna Marie's that Victor has made? It really helps to see them on fingers which Victor doesn't have on his website.

My suggestion to her is this ring with the 1.5 ct IF flawless center that Victor has. That stone is $13k and the setting is probably around $6k so she would end up with something very nice and actually under budget.

http://www.victorcanera.com/jewelry/engagement-rings/the-anne-marie-cushion-dual-halo-split-shank
 

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CharmyPoo|1380394284|3528935 said:

I would definitely not do IF or even VVS... it's total overkill and not necessary. Most women would want something larger that was still eye clean... And since she wanted something with presence/size, then I'd most definitely think of maximizing the budget by considering VS or even "eye clean" SI1...

This may not be an option, but has she considered a round with a square/cushion halo? I would have her at least look at some. My stone is a round, but people think it's a cushion all the time! ;)) I contacted VC about the Anne Marie for my round in a cushion halo and he said it would look great, as the original Anne Marie's stone was a very "round" cushion... and he does the Emilya in a cushioned halo as well. You would be able to go lower in color since rounds show less tint than cushions, and you would definitely get more size for the money this way. :naughty: If she likes the chunky cushion faceting, an OEC or AVR would be really pretty too!! :love:

For example, this stone is gorgeous and is a lot larger than the 1.8 ct posted above, but for almost the same price...
http://www.jamesallen.com/loose-dia...arat-h-color-vs1-clarity-ideal-cut-sku-178828

Also, are you sure about the price on the double halo Anne Marie? I got a quote for the original (single halo) last year around the first week of April and it was more than that... I don't want to post quotes on PS, but I would think the double halo would be more anyway, not to mention his prices seem to have increased since then... I'd call and double check on that -- just a thought. :))

Edited for grammar.
 

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Welcome and congrats on your upcoming engagement!

I am the original "Anne" in the "Anne Marie" - the first time Victor made that setting. I'm very excited to know you are considering it.

All I wanted to add is that Victor is lovely to work with, should you choose to go with him.

Also, I do believe he could add filigree to the Anne Marie setting... he and I discussed doing that on my ring, but in the end I decided to go plain. Just ask him.

Halo is a great idea for more finger coverage. The other thing I can add is that the Anne Marie setting will probably cost a bit more than the Emilya. I think the split shank adds a bit more to the price. Just verify with Victor.

Keep us posted!

Anne
 

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anne_h|1380397922|3528963 said:
Welcome and congrats on your upcoming engagement!

I am the original "Anne" in the "Anne Marie" - the first time Victor made that setting. I'm very excited to know you are considering it.

All I wanted to add is that Victor is lovely to work with, should you choose to go with him.

Also, I do believe he could add filigree to the Anne Marie setting... he and I discussed doing that on my ring, but in the end I decided to go plain. Just ask him.

Halo is a great idea for more finger coverage. The other thing I can add is that the Anne Marie setting will probably cost a bit more than the Emilya. I think the split shank adds a bit more to the price. Just verify with Victor.

Keep us posted!

Anne

Anne, I'm so glad you posted! I am still so in love with your ring... it's my dream ring!!! Maybe one day I'll be able to have my own "Anne Marie"... :love: :praise:

(sorry for the threadjack, OP!!) :halo:
 

cmrocks

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Thanks for the help everyone. I really appreciate it.
 

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cmrocks|1380405309|3529019 said:
Thanks for the help everyone. I really appreciate it.

What are you thinking?? ;-)
 

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You may want to consider engagement rings direct for their "royal T" cushions as well (call Chris or Mark). Looks like they have 5-10 in your price range, plus larger in size than VC. I haven't seen them in person but they look gorgeous and I will be considering them if I ever upgrade again. I know others on PS have purchased these. Also, you could consider Steven Kirsch for a very similar design as VC. He also gets rave reviews on PS for his micropave and his prices might be a bit less than VC. ERD will handle delivering the stone to SK...they are across the street from each other.
 

cmrocks

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I just checked out those Steven Kirsch rings, also very nice. I'll have to show his website to my girlfriend.

I still have a bit of time to decide. I'm not going to propose until December.

As of now, it will either be the Anna Marie or Emilya with filigree profile. Center stone, I don't know yet; probably the best stone I can get for around $16,000 which will leave $9,000 for the ring itself and taxes. I'll let her pick the shape and size with that given budget.
 

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cmrocks|1380409262|3529041 said:
I just checked out those Steven Kirsch rings, also very nice. I'll have to show his website to my girlfriend.

I still have a bit of time to decide. I'm not going to propose until December.

As of now, it will either be the Anna Marie or Emilya with filigree profile. Center stone, I don't know yet; probably the best stone I can get for around $16,000 which will leave $9,000 for the ring itself and taxes. I'll let her pick the shape and size with that given budget.

[URL='https://www.pricescope.com/community/threads/comparison-photos-of-my-victor-canera-sk-leon-ring-setting.166496/']https://www.pricescope.com/community/threads/comparison-photos-of-my-victor-canera-sk-leon-ring-setting.166496/[/URL]
 

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I have another option you might not have considered, get a larger H & A round brilliant from Victor, he is now cutting his own and they are amazing.... and get him to put it into either the Anna Marie or a Emilya like this one (he can do them with single row pave or multi row pave it's up to you);

[URL='https://www.pricescope.com/community/threads/vc-emilya-halo-w-single-cut-multi-row-pave-pic-overload.185195/']https://www.pricescope.com/community/threads/vc-emilya-halo-w-single-cut-multi-row-pave-pic-overload.185195/[/URL]

So the centre stone is a round but the overall ring ends up a cushion shape on the hand.

I would then choose something like one of these;

http://www.victorcanera.com/diamonds/kxfyq1

http://www.victorcanera.com/diamonds/2qrks6

And don't worry about the size of the centre stone he adjusts the melee size (the size of the diamonds in the halo) up or down to suit and look balanced with the size of the stone and the size of the person's finger size.
 

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arkieb1|1380415741|3529076 said:
I have another option you might not have considered, get a larger H & A round brilliant from Victor, he is now cutting his own and they are amazing.... and get him to put it into either the Anna Marie or a Emilya like this one (he can do them with single row pave or multi row pave it's up to you);

[URL='https://www.pricescope.com/community/threads/vc-emilya-halo-w-single-cut-multi-row-pave-pic-overload.185195/']https://www.pricescope.com/community/threads/vc-emilya-halo-w-single-cut-multi-row-pave-pic-overload.185195/[/URL]

So the centre stone is a round but the overall ring ends up a cushion shape on the hand.

I would then choose something like one of these;

http://www.victorcanera.com/diamonds/kxfyq1

http://www.victorcanera.com/diamonds/2qrks6

Amazeballs. Can't go wrong with this.... :love: :love: :love:
 

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I like that idea. I won't be sacrificing too much with a quality level of SI clarity and I color?

Besides the double vs single pave, what are the main differences between the Emilya and Anna Marie?
 
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