Female Mccain''s VP pick

[luckystar112]

Ok let''s get something clear.
For one, I wasn''t deliberately calling loves vintage a hypocrite, although I did find her excuse a tad hysterical. For all I know she could have the same exact opinion on the reverend (I hope she does). But if that''s the excuse others are giving as well (who had no prob with Rev. Wright) I think its hypocritical.

Second, I do think it is legitimate. Rev. Wright is probably even MORE legitimate than this guy because he was Obama''s pastor, not just a "guest speaker".

And third, yes I did go there....anti-american racist. No one is forcing you to participate in this, Moon. If you''re telling me that there is a thread where at the end everyone was on the same page re: Rev. Wright--point me to it. Until then, I think my opinion (and the opinion of many others) is valid.

 

[MoonWater]

Here's a chill pill for ya luckystar. (_()

 

[stone_seeker]

Date: 9/5/2008 4:00:12 PM
Author: luckystar112
Ok let''s get something clear.
For one, I wasn''t deliberately calling loves vintage a hypocrite, although I did find her excuse a tad hysterical. For all I know she could have the same exact opinion on the reverend (I hope she does). But if that''s the excuse others are giving as well (who had no prob with Rev. Wright) I think its hypocritical.

Second, I do think it is legitimate. Rev. Wright is probably even MORE legitimate than this guy because he was Obama''s pastor, not just a ''guest speaker''.

And third, yes I did go there....anti-american racist. No one is forcing you to participate in this, Moon. If you''re telling me that there is a thread where at the end everyone was on the same page re: Rev. Wright--point me to it. Until then, I think my opinion (and the opinion of many others) is valid.

he also married Barack and Michelle as well as baptized their two girls.

 

[trillionaire]

Date: 9/5/2008 3:43:59 PM
Author: purrfectpear

Date: 9/5/2008 3:39:48 PM

Author: luckystar112

Date: 9/5/2008 3:25:53 PM

Author: Loves Vintage


She belongs to a church where such a speaker is considered acceptable. There are many churches and many people who would not think such a speaker acceptable. It says something about the church and about those who attend this type of church.


This guy and the opinions that he spews are rubbish.

HaHAHAHAHAAHAHhahahaha!


Hypocrisy at its FINEST.

LOVE it. Rev. Jeremiah Wright, Anyone?

I didn't read anything where Love's Vintage excused that either. Did you?


I hold everyone responsible for the company they choose to keep. Birds of a feather and all that...

Neither Wright nor the "Jews for Jesus" guy say much to me about the person, but I do expect her to be put through the wringer about that like Obama was. And if Obama or Biden's wives were secessionist, they would be lambasted for it. I just want equal treatment of what we (the media and outraged public) clearly have deemed as relevant concerns about who is in leadership.

This is what makes a two party system ridiculous. We would be better off with more, and possibly better options...

ETA: Okay ladies and gents, back to the Palin at hand. There is a Rev. Wright thread already

 

[Loves Vintage]

Date: 9/5/2008 4:00:12 PM
Author: luckystar112
Ok let''s get something clear.
For one, I wasn''t deliberately calling loves vintage a hypocrite, although I did find her excuse a tad hysterical. For all I know she could have the same exact opinion on the reverend (I hope she does). But if that''s the excuse others are giving as well (who had no prob with Rev. Wright) I think its hypocritical.

Second, I do think it is legitimate. Rev. Wright is probably even MORE legitimate than this guy because he was Obama''s pastor, not just a ''guest speaker''.

And third, yes I did go there....anti-american racist. No one is forcing you to participate in this, Moon. If you''re telling me that there is a thread where at the end everyone was on the same page re: Rev. Wright--point me to it. Until then, I think my opinion (and the opinion of many others) is valid.

I didn''t post an excuse, so I''m not really sure what you mean, or what you found a tad hysterical.

As for my views on Rev. Wright, I did not post them here because I thought this thread was about the many inadequacies of McCain''s chosen running mate, not about Obama.

Anyhoo, I stand by my opinion that it is really, really scary that Palin belongs to a church that advocates for the conversion of Jews to Christianity and promotes the opinion that Jews are being punished by God for not believing the same as they do.

 

[zhuzhu]

I don''t care too much about her personal life, but if what is written below has truth to it, I don''t think her political agenda will serve this country any good. The email below was forwarded to me from a friend of a friend.

~~~~~~~~~~
Dear classmates -

As an Alaskan, I am writing to give all of you some information on
Sarah Palin, Senator McCain''s choice for VP. As an
Alaska voter, I know more than most of you about her and, frankly, I am horrified that he picked her.

The most accurate description of her is red neck. Her husband works in the oil fields of Prudhoe Bay and races snow mobiles. She is a life time member of the NRA and has worked tirelessly to allow indiscriminate hunting of wildlife in Alaska , particularly wolves and bears. She has spent millions of Alaska state dollars on aerial hunting of these predators from helicopters and airplanes, dollars that should have been spent, for example, on Alaska ''s failing school system.We have the lowest rate of high school graduation in the country. Not all of you may think aerial predator hunting is so bad, but how anyone (other than
Alaska wolf-haters, of which there are many, most without teeth), could think this use of funds is appropriate is beyond me. If you want to know more about the aerial hunting travesty, let me know and I will send some links to informative web sites.

She has been a strong supporter of increased use of fossil fuels, yet the McCain campaign has the nerve to say she has "green" policies. The only thing green about Sarah Palin is her lack of experience. She has consistently supported drilling in ANWR, use of coal-burning power plants (as I write this, a new coal plant is being built in her home town of Wasilla ), strip mining, and almost anything else that will unnecessarily exploit the diminishing resources of Alaska and destroy its environment.

Prior to her one year as governor of Alaska , she was mayor of Wasilla, a small red neck town outside Anchorage.The average maximum education level of parents of junior high school kids in Wasilla is 10th grade. Unfortunately, I have to go to Wasilla every week to get groceries and other supplies, so I have continual contact with the people who put Palin in office in the first place. I know what I''m talking about. These people don''t have a concept of the world around them or of the serious issues facing the US . Furthermore, they don''t care. So long as they can go out and hunt their moose every fall, kill wolves and bears
and drive their snow mobiles and ATVs through every corner of the wilderness, they''re happy. I wish I were exaggerating.

Sarah Palin is currently involved in a political corruption scandal. She fired an individual in law enforcement here because she didn''t like how he treated one of her relatives during a divorce. The man''s performance and ability weren''t considered; it was a totally personal firing and is currently under investigation. While the issue isn''t close to the scandal of Ted Steven''s corruption, it shows that Palin isn''t "squeaky clean" and causes me to think there ay be more issues that could come to light. Clearly McCain doesn''t care.

When you line Palin up with Biden, the comparison would be laughable if it weren''t so serious. Sarah Palin knows nothing of economics (admittedly a weak area for McCain), or of international affairs, knows nothing of national government, Social Security, unemployment, health care systems - you name it. The idea of her meeting with heads of foreign governments around the world truly frightens me.

In an increasingly dangerous world, with the economy in shambles in the US , Sarah Palin is uniquely UNqualified to be vice president. John McCain is not a young man. Should something happen to him such that the vice president had to step in, it would destroy our country and possibly the world to have someone as inexperienced and inappropriate as Sarah Palin. The choice of Palin is a cheap shot by McCain to try to get Hillary supporters to vote for him. when McCain introduced her today, Palin had the nerve to compare herself with Hillary and Geraldine Ferraro. Sarah Palin, you are no Hillary Clinton.

To those of you who, like me, supported Hilary and were upset that she did not get the nomination, please don''t think that Sarah Palin is a worthy substitute. If you supported Hillary, regardless of what you think the media and the democratic party may have done to undermine her campaign, the person to support now is Obama, not Sarah Palin. To those of you who are independent or undecided, don''t let the choice of Palin sway you in favor of McCain. Choosing her shows how unqualified McCain is to be president. To those of you who are conservative, I guess you have no choice for president. But please try to see how the
poor choice of Palin tells us a great deal about McCain''s judgment.

While the political posturing inherent in the choice of Palin is obvious, the more serious issue is the fact that the VP is, literally, a heartbeat away from the presidency. Sarah Palin is totally and unequivocally unqualified to be vice president, let alone president.

I know this is a lengthy and emotional email, but the stakes are high. I thought it might help for all of you, regardless of political affiliation, to know something about Palin from someone who has to live with her administration in Alaska on a daily basis.

Jackie S.

 

[luckystar112]

Date: 9/5/2008 4:04:24 PM
Author: MoonWater
Here''s a chill pill for ya luckystar. (_()

You mean you''ve had chill pills all along and you haven''t taken any yourself?

I mean that all in fun, hence the smiley.

Loves Vintage--
I wasn''t trying to say that YOU are a hypocrite. I apologize because I quoted your post and my reply came off ultra-snarky although I didn''t mean it to. I should have been clear (I was five minutes from leaving work and was in a hurry, but couldn''t resist posting!). What I thought was hysterical about what I quoted was that Dems kept insisting that the Obama/Rev. Wright association was insignificant. So to see Palin''s "association" being used against her just brought me right back to that whole controversy. I have no idea what your views on that are and wasn''t trying to imply that you do. I just got excited! Still, why does there appear to be a double-standard here (talking about the article now, not you)? In any case, I''m with trillionaire. I think that both candidates need to be held accountable, or it shouldn''t be an issue...preferably the latter...although I can''t help but be unsettled by the association with Rev. Wright. But in the nature of this thread and the urging of Moon, we''ll stick to critiquing Palin.

 

[Loves Vintage]

Date: 9/5/2008 4:49:04 PM
Author: luckystar112

Date: 9/5/2008 4:04:24 PM
Author: MoonWater
Here''s a chill pill for ya luckystar. (_()

You mean you''ve had chill pills all along and you haven''t taken any yourself?

I mean that all in fun, hence the smiley.

Loves Vintage--
I wasn''t trying to say that YOU are a hypocrite. I apologize because I quoted your post and my reply came off ultra-snarky although I didn''t mean it to. I should have been clear (I was five minutes from leaving work and was in a hurry, but couldn''t resist posting!). What I thought was hysterical about what I quoted was that Dems kept insisting that the Obama/Rev. Wright association was insignificant. So to see Palin''s ''association'' being used against her just brought me right back to that whole controversy. I have no idea what your views on that are and wasn''t trying to imply that you do. I just got excited! Still, why does there appear to be a double-standard here (talking about the article now, not you)? In any case, I''m with trillionaire. I think that both candidates need to be held accountable, or it shouldn''t be an issue...preferably the latter...although I can''t help but be unsettled by the association with Rev. Wright. But in the nature of this thread and the urging of Moon, we''ll stick to critiquing Palin.

Gotcha!! I think we actually agree then!

 

[luckystar112]

Zhuzu, thanks for the info.
I do wish that more of 80% of people who approve of her in Alaska would come forward with their stories though. Either they are and are being ignored, or they believe the approval rating says it all.

I just googled that letter, only because it didn''t say anything "new" and I wanted to see if it was even legit, and I found this:

A letter from the Jonathan Hart househould:
As a proud Conservative American, I’m ‘putting country before self’ (to rob the great phrase of McCain) tonight with this email, as I should rather be studying for my upcoming board exam on Tuesday than composing this email at 3 AM. If I fail I blame it on this email, which is in response to the one I received this evening (see far below for original transcript).

First I would like to say how disgusting it was that a few liberal anti-war radicals showed up at the RNC tonight to interrupt McCains speech repeatedly and obtrusively. Typical of their kind. And the lovely welcoming committee of violent protestors in St. Paul, abhorrent. I can not help but contribute this behavior to our nations’ liberal colleges and universities, espousing anti-American and Socialist ideals from the pulpit of the classroom. It happens, I’ve been there and seen it at a so-called Christian affiliated college. I fear for our nation’s youth in this regard.

Also, it was nice of all the major media networks not to provide coverage of the RNC for Americans, unlike the coverage they gave the Democratic Convention in Denver. On second thought, maybe it was a favor on their part, to spare us (conservative main stream Americans and myself) from their liberal bias. I’m sure we’ll get it nonetheless.

I am always one to listen to new perspectives. No one wants to take for granted the gravity of the VP nomination. However, I am more than slightly disappointed in “Jackie S.”’s statements (see below). I disagree on several different points with Jackie S.’s diatribe on Palin. Not only in it’s content, but mainly in it’s tone and innaccuracy. If your gonna sling the smear, make sure you sniff it and know it first.

In stark contrast to Jackie S., I am actually excited and thrilled with the nomination of Governor Palin for Vice-President. Maybe it is because Jackie is from NYC, and I’m from Nebraska, smack in the middle of the heartland, where I grew up with traditional conservative American values, that our view-points differ. But maybe not: Guliani loves her.

The following are quotes from Jackie S., which I will respond to, from her email below my entry:

“Her husband works in the oil fields of Prudhoe Bay, and races snowmobiles”–Jackie S.
Is this supposed to be a negative? He works hard and then plays hard. Sounds like millions of Americans. Man, how dare he work hard to help support his family, in the AMERICAN owned and run oil fields, which help to lessen our dependence on foreign oil, and provide American jobs. And then to have the audacity to drive his oil burning snowmobile……..fast… the laudity of it all.

And, what a great thing it would be to drill in ANWR, to provide more American jobs and further bridge our transition from foreign oil dependence to alternative energy sources. For short term relief on gas prices. I know Jackie is concerned about the environment, so am I. And so are all/most Americans (even conservative republicans like me). Believe me, if I knew that drilling on the vast northern slope of Alaska was going to destroy the Alaskan ecosystem, I wouldn’t support it. But it’s not. But there are other places than ANWR to drill, as well. We can do so and still protect our environment. But alternative fuel sources are the answer, and Palin and McCain know this well.

“She is a life time member of the NRA and has worked tirelessly to allow indiscriminate hunting of wildlife in Alaska, particularly wolves and bears.”–Jackie S.
Well, I know to most liberals being an NRA member and owning a gun is “horrific”. And hunting a crime. But hunting is not a crime, I assure you. I fail to understand this logic, when these same people find no fault in killing unborn humans, or if you’re Obama, don’t see why babies who survive an abortion should be granted medical care. I am not being inflammatory, simply factual. I see more evidence on hundreds of ultrasounds per day of the human qualities of the unborn. How dare I infringe on the right of a woman? How dare you infringe on the right of a human baby. Where are we at in this nation if wolves and bears are elevated above human life? But I digress. As for hunting wolves and bears: it’s legal, and we’ve been doing it in this country since it was owned by the Indians. We have limits in place to protect their populations. But this criticism is on a personal level, it is our right and privilege as Americans to spend our time and money as we see fit within our legal boundaries. Including the Palins. This criticism holds no merit, in my opinion.

On the subject of spending millions of taxpayers dollars on AERIAL hunting, I will concede due to lack of information, but I would like to see substantive sources. As for the ethics of specifically aerial hunting–I agree, let’s keep it a sport. But this is a matter of opinion, and most Alaskan’s probably enjoy hunting. That’s for the state of Alaska to decide, and for Palin as Governor to represent them. But let’s not see the forest for the brush….there are many MUCH more important issues in our country….

As for her lack of greenness. Jackie mentions that a new coal plant is opening up in Wasilla. But she fails to mention Palin’s and McCains plan and desire to expand our nation’s nuclear power plants (in lieu of coal), and continue to develop alternative American based fuel sources. I feel many American’s are beginning to be blinded by greenness.

“Prior to her one year as governor of Alaska, she was mayor of Wasilla, a small red neck town outside Anchorage… Unfortunately, I have to go to Wasilla every week to get groceries and other supplies, so I have continual contact with the people who put Palin in office in the first place. I know what I’m talking about. These people don’t have a concept of the world around them or of theserious issues facing the US”–Jackie S.

Newsflash: ignorant people live in Chicago too. And in NYC, Milwaukee, and in Appleton, and in Mequon, and in Wausau, and in Nebraska….. I was raised in a town of 700 people. My town is just the type of town Jackie speaks of. I know the kind of people she speaks of. I have worked hard to better myself, earn my degree(s), and so have millions of small-towners. “Rednecks”, just like me, who are far from ignorant, just because they don’t look the way Jackie wants them to.

And how dare Palin become the mayor of a small town full of ‘rednecks’, to try to better her community and the schools that her 5 children attend. Maybe Jackie should look up to Palin’s wonderful example. Maybe Jackie S. would find more fulfillment in her life by doing like Palin, leading by example, DOING and SERVING, instead of criticizing and making fun of her neighbors’ “lack of teeth”. Be like Palin, Jackie S.: join the PTA, the school board, become the mayor, the Governor! Work to better your community instead of making fun of its members.

At least Jackie had the curtesy not to criticize Palin’s pregnant daughter, unlike the rest of the main stream media frenzy. If her daughter had elected for abortion instead of life, the left would be lauding her for her courage to make such an ‘informed’ decision. Instead, she is taking responsibility for her actions, facing the tough road ahead of early parenting with her family’s AND MOTHER’s support, and preserving the life of her little baby. And withstanding the unrelentless mainstream media’s attacks. And for that I commend her and her fiance. They could have taken the easier path. But they did what is right.

“She has spent millions of Alaska state dollars on aerial hunting of these predators from helicopters and airplanes, dollars that should have been spent, for example, on Alaska’s failing school system.”–Jackie S.
First, I have a hard time believing that aerial hunting is paid for by taxpayer dollars as a government program, unless it serves a reasonable purpose. Secondly, if Todd and Sarah Palin want to go legally rent an airplane and legally shoot a wolf with their own hard-earned money, more power to them. I do not know what “spent millions of Alaska dollars” is referring to? Her salary? Maybe they used HIS money…..

From what I have seen and heard, Palin’s record is more one of fiscal responsibility and frugality. She sold the governor’s private jet on ebay (in and of itself worth several hundred moosehunts! and several hundred textbooks!), got rid of the governor’s daily personal motorcade and in-home chef. Why doesn’t Jackie/liberal left talk about that? Or that she has an 80% approval rating in the state? Or that she has cut spending drastically in the state and brought on a huge surplus, took on the “Good Ol Boy” elite, and big oil monopolies?

“Sarah Palin is currently involved in a political corruption scandal. She fired an individual in law enforcement here because she didn’t like how he treated one of her relatives during a divorce.”–Jackie S.

How would you like to be tazered, Jackie? Do you know what a Tazer Gun is?

Again, innaccuracies and inflammatory (i.e. “corruption scandal”) statements abound from Ms. Jackie. How is it that even I know more about this situation than Jackie S? First, Palin did not fire the abusive law enforcement official (who’s name is Wooten). She is being accused of PERSONALLY PRESSURING the Public Safety Commisioner, Walter Monegan, into firing State Trooper Wooten, which is unsubstantiated. She is also being accused of terminating Monegan b/c he failed to fire Wooten. She, in reality, did terminate Monegan, but she had reason’s other than personal (look it up, I just did–Maybe Jackie should too). She has that right, she appointed him. And therefore doesn’t even need to state a reason.

Now, for the rest of the story with brevity (conveniently omitted by Jackie): Trooper Wooten is married to Sarah Palin’s sister. Trooper Wooten has a record of abusive behavior. First, using his Tazer Gun on his 10 year old son. Second, threatening to put a bullet in Palin’s sister’s father if he hired her an attorney. Sounds like a great guy. Leave it to the liberal left and the media to ignore domestic abuse! I personally would have exerted some pressure on the situation myself, if you know what I mean. But Palin was above that. These accusations are just that, accusations. Liberals drawing at straws in desperation for some ounce of dirt. I know it goes both ways, but come on, can’t they do better than that? Wouldn’t you raise concern if your own sister and her family were being physically and verbally threatened? If we want to go down this path…..how about the company and loyalties/spiritual advisors Mr. Obama has kept over his many years: William Ayers, Farrahkan, Reverend Wright. Sounds like the kind of guy I would like to call Mr. President…..in my worst nightmare. But that’s just me….and millions of other Americans. Even if Palin DID hypothetically use her office to PRESSURE someone who refused to fire a man who posed serious threat to her father, her sister, her family, one could even form the argument that she did the right thing. But, we don’t need to, as it’s of now unsubstantiated.

“When you line Palin up with Biden, the comparison would be laughable if it weren’t so serious. Sarah Palin knows nothing of economics (admittedly a weak area for McCain), or of international affairs, knows nothing of national government, Social Security, unemployment, health care systems - you name it. The idea of her meeting with heads of foreign governments around the world truly frightens me.”–Jackie S.

“Laughable”, eh? That’s quite a list that Jackie came up with that supposedly Palin knows NOTHING about. I’ll tell you what IS laughable, is this email authored by Jackie S. “You name it”: No, I think you already hit them all, Jackie. Great work. I’ll tell you what frightens me, the prospect of Obama meeting with heads of state (i.e. Iran’s), without preconditions and with an idealistic air (more like unrealistic, if you look at the Middle East’s flagrant disregard for UN diplomacy and compliance over the last 10-20-30 some odd years). National Security IS a MAJOR issue. Palin has the ideals of McCain and Reagan. She is tough, and proven, against tough politics in the toughest of states, Alaska. Not only would I trust McCain on foreign policy over Obama hands down, so would I trust Palin over Obama. And if I had a son or daughter in the military, as do BOTH Palin AND McCain, how much more so would I trust them over Obama, one of those few who voted against the successful troop surge in Iraq?

We have had great successes in Iraq. What? You are surprised at that statement because the media does not tell us about those successes. Our involvement there was supported in a BIPARTISAN manner from the outset. And now, we must finish the job, and continue to keep fighting where it counts. To have withdrawan early as Obama and the left desires would be disastrous.

I believe the experience card is gonna play out as an empty hand for the Democrats. Mayor. State Governor. Two things Biden and even Obama don’t have on their resume’s, like Palin. If Palin supposedly knows zip about economics, how was she able to balance the State of Alaska’s budget and turn it into a surplus in such a short time? Unsubtantiated claims, again, by Ms. Jackie.

I am so looking forward to the Biden-Palin debates. Palin will at minimum hold her own. Why? Not chiefly because of her intelligence and eloquence, but because of her genuine Authenticity and Sincerity and Realness.

“Should something happen to him such that the vice president had to step in, it would destroy our country and possibly the world to have someone as inexperienced and inappropriate as Sarah Palin.”–Jackie S.

Typical, “the sky is falling” leftist rhetoric. I assure you all, our country (and possibly even the whoooole world), will not spontaneously combust and be destroyed if hypothetically speaking McCain suddenly and unexplicably….kicks the bucket. As a matter of fact, I think Palin is just the kind of genuine, moral, compassionate, intelligent, confident, and determined leader this nation NEEDS. But McCain will, in fact, survive this Presidency, I have a feeling, just as he did the Hanoi Hilton torture chamber as a POW, serving his country.

“Sarah Palin, you are no Hillary Clinton.”–Jackie S.
Amen. For once I agree with Jackie S. Palin is DEFINITELY no Hillary Clinton. She is heads above. Thank goodness. For me. Hillary is an accomplished woman, and do not intend to detract from her successes.

If you are like me, which it seems like my kind has somehow become the minority in today’s America, I long for traditional American values. The preservation of Life. The preservation of Freedoms granted to us and EARNED with the lives of our beloved family members. Not taken away or restricted by the government. I believe like our founding fathers in limited government, the free market economy, one which is stimulated by lower taxes, which fuels our innovative spirit. That is America. That is why I love the nomination of Palin for VP.

And not socialized medicine (as Obama wants), not mandated schooling of my own children. If you want a country like that, move to Europe, or Canada! But if you’re looking for access to healthcare in Canada or Europe, you may find yourself disappointed. For instance, while studying for boards I came across the following:

Estimated 5 year survival rates for Lung Cancer:
in the United States:
Stage IA: 75%
Stage IB: 55%
Stage IIA: 50%
Stage IIB: 40%
Stage IIIA: 10-35%
Stage IIIB: 5%
Stage IV: less than 5%
in Europe:
Stage IA: 60%
Stage IB: 38%
Stage IIA: 34%
Stage IIB: 24%
Stage IIIA: 13%
Stage IIIB: 5%
Stage IV: less than 1%

Just one example of how US healthcare quality exceeds Europe.

Also, for further example of “Socialized Medicine” as it currently exists in Canada, please read this real life account:
http://www.ibdeditorials.com/IBDArticles.aspx?id=300495064758477

Now I know there are such accounts in the US as well, but I assure you, it’s on a whole new level of beaurocratic regulation and DELAYED DISPENSATION of even basic medical care and procedures.

Despite what the liberal media would have us believe, our health care access and quality to other countries is superior. We have superior doctors because we have great medical schools and training programs. What will happen when doctors compensation falls? Quality applicants will diminish, and be diverted elsewhere. We have superior medical research funded by independent grants and private industry. Why is it that we have foreign medical graduates literally in droves wanting to get into US medical schools and residencies? and coming here for health care?

Socialized medicine will never meet the healthcare needs of people nearly as well or with the quality with which a free market healthcare model will. ALL NEEDS WILL NEVER BE MET IN HEALTHCARE, no matter the system. Sorry to say.

It is my hope that America will not slide into the mire of the liberal code of morality and self-defeating attitude. It is my hope and prayer that our nation will return to the greatness, morals, traditions, and values I have spoken of. I believe that is what makes America…..America. I think a vote for Palin and McCain is a great place to start, if not at least for some of you, better than the alternative.

Further reading on Palin and these aforementioned issues from substantial sources, which I HIGHLY recommend you read before you vote, even you liberal friends of mine out there, for an alternative perspective:
http://foxforum.blogs.foxnews.com/2008/09/02/atantaros_0902/
http://www.americanthinker.com/2008/08/defending_against_the_first_at.html
http://townhall.com/columnists/BenShapiro/2008/09/03/the_hypocritical,_woman-hating_left_targets_palin?page=full&comments=true
http://townhall.com/columnists/MichelleMalkin/2008/09/03/the_four_stages_of_conservative_female_abuse
http://foxforum.blogs.foxnews.com/2008/09/01/frj_0901/
http://lindyborer.wordpress.com/

Remember, trust, but verify, this election year!

Now, back to studying for that pesky board exam…….

Jonathan D. Hart, MD

Just as an aside....I''ve been meaning to comment on that highlighted part. I, too, thought it was pretty sad that only one network covered the RNC and something like 3 or 4 covered the Democratic convention. Liberal Bias, anyone?

 

[meresal]

zhuzhu: Here is a link to a person that had a response to that email, his name is Jonathan D Hart.

She makes lots of claims in that email, but gives no proof. I have a hard time taking someone seriously that has to belittle others to make a point, and doesn''t offer ANY links or basis to her claims. Red-necks?? Nice...

http://lindyborer.wordpress.com/

 

[MoonWater]

Date: 9/5/2008 4:49:04 PM
Author: luckystar112

Date: 9/5/2008 4:04:24 PM
Author: MoonWater
Here''s a chill pill for ya luckystar. (_()

You mean you''ve had chill pills all along and you haven''t taken any yourself?

I mean that all in fun, hence the smiley.

If I ever have a freak out moment I''ll down some wine.

 

[luckystar112]

I also found this in defense of Jackie S.''s email.

Articulate not bad. Liberal DEFINITELY. Level-headed not even close.

I wont take the time to do a point by point, but this person clearly does not have a very clear understanding of many of the Alaskan issues she is attempting to address probably been reading the Anchorage Daily News far too often, and even believing it!! She misunderstands or misstates the aerial hunting issue and, if after having lived here for some period of time she believes that developing Alaskas resources (fossil fuels) will destroy its environment, then she doesnt (or chooses not to) understand much at all from a factual standpoint but relies totally on the dogmatic greenie generalizations that oppose any development for any reason regardless of facts, logic or reason. Perhaps we could drop her off in the middle of the Coastal Plain of ANWR so she could truly appreciate the environmental splendor of one of the most barren desert wastelands that these un- or misinformed seek to protect.

And apparently, and quite unfortunately, it would seem that unless you are a Bryn Mawr graduate - and god forbid, you hunt, snowmobile or otherwise enjoy the outdoors - you are an uneducated red neck. WOW! Jackie, you need to get a grip. If you have to go to Wasilla to do your shopping you have been in the Bush too long - probably out of touch and polluting the environment you profess to want to protect.

Actually, while I have not historically been a big Palin supporter, I think she did a very nice job last night in her address to the Convention. Ill put her experience up against Obamas any time. Plus, Obama has "not exactly" been open and honest about anything, as follows:
http://lindyborer.wordpress.com/

For the "as follows", which outlines 38 lies that Obama has (supposedly...I really have no idea) told, go here.

 

[trillionaire]

Date: 9/5/2008 5:01:36 PM
Author: luckystar112
Zhuzu, thanks for the info.

I do wish that more of 80% of people who approve of her in Alaska would come forward with their stories though. Either they are and are being ignored, or they believe the approval rating says it all.


I just googled that letter, only because it didn't say anything 'new' and I wanted to see if it was even legit, and I found this:

Just as an aside....I've been meaning to comment on that highlighted part. I, too, thought it was pretty sad that only one network covered the RNC and something like 3 or 4 covered the Democratic convention. Liberal Bias, anyone?

both emails are equally subjective. I would prefer to read unbiased sources, so that I can make my own decisions. The sources included in the second email were far from objective, I checked them all.

The first email was calling her a redneck, though I have read on several sites that she has referred to herself as "Vally Trash", speaking of the Valley that Wasilla is in, and her FSIL referred to himself repeatedly as a redneck on his myspace page. (widely reported before the site was set to private. The site also had not been used for about a year, FWIW). I think it is one thing to self identify, but I don't personally apply those types of labels to other people. To the person who wrote the second email, it is highly insulting to infer that "traditional" or "conservative american midwestern values" are somehow better, and not just different from the values of others. But I digress...

Further, I despise going to the grocery store, and seeing parents with their young children out at ridiculous hours. I DO NOT think that it was a "good decision" to have a baby in a roaring convention hall until crazy hours for multiple days. That is my preference. I'm not calling her a bad mother, just saying that it bothers me. I shake my head about this all the time when I am at the grocery store at 12am (night owl!). BTW, that baby is ADORABLE!

Palin on the Issues

 

[trillionaire]

Look at this little darling! We need less arguing and more CUTE BABIES!!!! YAY!!!!!

 

[Anna0499]

Date: 9/5/2008 5:44:42 PM
Author: trillionaire

both emails are equally subjective. I would prefer to read unbiased sources, so that I can make my own decisions. The sources included in the second email were far from objective, I checked them all.

The first email was calling her a redneck, though I have read on several sites that she has referred to herself as ''Vally Trash'', speaking of the Valley that Wasilla is in, and her FSIL referred to himself repeatedly as a redneck on his myspace page. (widely reported before the site was set to private. The site also had not been used for about a year, FWIW). I think it is one thing to self identify, but I don''t personally apply those types of labels to other people. To the person who wrote the second email, it is highly insulting to infer that ''traditional'' or ''conservative american midwestern values'' are somehow better, and not just different from the values of others. But I digress...

Further, I despise going to the grocery store, and seeing parents with their young children out at ridiculous hours. I DO NOT think that it was a ''good decision'' to have a baby in a roaring convention hall until crazy hours for multiple days. That is my preference. I''m not calling her a bad mother, just saying that it bothers me. I shake my head about this all the time when I am at the grocery store at 12am (night owl!). BTW, that baby is ADORABLE!

Palin on the Issues

I agree with you about using unbiased sources for factual information. I would agree that at any other time or at any other place maybe her children should''ve been in bed, but this is history in the making...it''s kind of like when your parents let you stay up late to watch election results or for any other historical moment. Her baby probably won''t remember being there, but he will be in all the footage, photos, etc. I think it''s cute.

 

[trillionaire]

Date: 9/5/2008 6:41:33 PM
Author: IndyGirl22

Date: 9/5/2008 5:44:42 PM

Author: trillionaire


both emails are equally subjective. I would prefer to read unbiased sources, so that I can make my own decisions. The sources included in the second email were far from objective, I checked them all.


The first email was calling her a redneck, though I have read on several sites that she has referred to herself as ''Vally Trash'', speaking of the Valley that Wasilla is in, and her FSIL referred to himself repeatedly as a redneck on his myspace page. (widely reported before the site was set to private. The site also had not been used for about a year, FWIW). I think it is one thing to self identify, but I don''t personally apply those types of labels to other people. To the person who wrote the second email, it is highly insulting to infer that ''traditional'' or ''conservative american midwestern values'' are somehow better, and not just different from the values of others. But I digress...


Further, I despise going to the grocery store, and seeing parents with their young children out at ridiculous hours. I DO NOT think that it was a ''good decision'' to have a baby in a roaring convention hall until crazy hours for multiple days. That is my preference. I''m not calling her a bad mother, just saying that it bothers me. I shake my head about this all the time when I am at the grocery store at 12am (night owl!). BTW, that baby is ADORABLE!


Palin on the Issues

I agree with you about using unbiased sources for factual information. I would agree that at any other time or at any other place maybe her children should''ve been in bed, but this is history in the making...it''s kind of like when your parents let you stay up late to watch election results or for any other historical moment. Her baby probably won''t remember being there, but he will be in all the footage, photos, etc. I think it''s cute.

I''ll spot you that on the day that SHE was speaking. But any other night, the baby should be in bed, IMHO. But that''s just me. I don''t have kids, but my dog has a bedtime!

... and she gets cranky when she stays up late!

 

[MoonWater]

Date: 9/5/2008 5:26:53 PM
Author: luckystar112


For the ''as follows'', which outlines 38 lies that Obama has (supposedly...I really have no idea) told, go here.

ROFLMAO, that was a riot. More like the lies someone else told which they credited to Obama.

 

[Dancing Fire]

one heck of a speaker...
the Dems are up against a "lady Reagan". i was surprise by how she deliver such a great speech under pressure.

 

[trillionaire]

Date: 9/5/2008 7:46:47 PM
Author: Dancing Fire
one heck of a speaker...

the Dems are up against a ''lady Reagan''. i was surprise by how she deliver such a great speech under pressure.

*shrugs* I''m too young to remember Reagan...

 

[MoonWater]

lol....

http://www.comedycentral.com/videos/index.jhtml?videoId=184086

 

[MoonWater]

anyone want any meth? http://andrewsullivan.theatlantic.com/the_daily_dish/2008/09/wasilla-the-met.html

 

[MoonWater]

Facts v. Palin lies/exaggerations in her speech:

http://news.yahoo.com/story//ap/20080904/ap_on_el_pr/cvn_fact_check

 

[MoonWater]

Say what? http://www.laprogressive.com/2008/09/05/alaskans-speak-in-a-frightened-whisper-palin-is-%E2%80%9Cracist-sexist-vindictive-and-mean%E2%80%9D/

 

[luckystar112]

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Date: 9/5/2008 8:20:53 PM
Author: MoonWater
Say what? http://www.laprogressive.com/2008/09/05/alaskans-speak-in-a-frightened-whisper-palin-is-%E2%80%9Cracist-sexist-vindictive-and-mean%E2%80%9D/

"Like most other people interviewed, he didn’t want his name used out of fear of retribution. Maybe it’s the long winter nights where you don’t see the sun for months that makes people feel as if they’re under constant danger from “the authorities.” As I interviewed residents it began sounding as if living in Alaska controlled by the state Republican Party is like living in the old Soviet Union: See nothing that’s happening, say nothing offensive, and the political commissars leave you alone. But speak out and you get disappeared into a gulag north of the Arctic Circle for who-knows-how-long."

Um. Or it could be her 80% approval rating.

 

[luckystar112]

Date: 9/5/2008 8:12:55 PM
Author: MoonWater
anyone want any meth? http://andrewsullivan.theatlantic.com/the_daily_dish/2008/09/wasilla-the-met.html

Am I missing something? Last I checked uncovering meth labs was a good thing. Sounds like Palin took a stand against drugs.

 

[MoonWater]

Date: 9/5/2008 8:48:01 PM
Author: luckystar112

Date: 9/5/2008 8:12:55 PM

Author: MoonWater

anyone want any meth? http://andrewsullivan.theatlantic.com/the_daily_dish/2008/09/wasilla-the-met.html

Am I missing something? Last I checked uncovering meth labs was a good thing. Sounds like Palin took a stand against drugs.

Yup, that''s why the town where she was Mayor is considered the meth capital of Alaska.

 

[ksinger]

Date: 9/5/2008 9:05:19 PM
Author: MoonWater

Date: 9/5/2008 8:48:01 PM
Author: luckystar112

Date: 9/5/2008 8:12:55 PM

Author: MoonWater

anyone want any meth? http://andrewsullivan.theatlantic.com/the_daily_dish/2008/09/wasilla-the-met.html

Am I missing something? Last I checked uncovering meth labs was a good thing. Sounds like Palin took a stand against drugs.

Yup, that''s why the town where she was Mayor is considered the meth capital of Alaska.

Quit selling antihistamines/cold medicines with pseudoephedrine in them OTC. How many allergies can Alaskans have anyway?? Make them sign for them at the pharmacy. Knocked Oklahoma''s meth problem almost to the ground...

Of course when you DO have a need for the real drug, it''s rather a pain...but not too intrusive for the benefit.

 

[Dancing Fire]

i see the Dems are getting nervous.

hockey mom will chew Biden up and spit him on the floor in the VP debate.

 

[Anna0499]

Date: 9/5/2008 9:05:19 PM
Author: MoonWater

Date: 9/5/2008 8:48:01 PM
Author: luckystar112

Date: 9/5/2008 8:12:55 PM

Author: MoonWater

anyone want any meth? http://andrewsullivan.theatlantic.com/the_daily_dish/2008/09/wasilla-the-met.html

Am I missing something? Last I checked uncovering meth labs was a good thing. Sounds like Palin took a stand against drugs.

Yup, that''s why the town where she was Mayor is considered the meth capital of Alaska.

Really? Being in Alaska, did it have much competition?

 

[MoonWater]

Date: 9/5/2008 9:32:39 PM
Author: IndyGirl22

Date: 9/5/2008 9:05:19 PM

Author: MoonWater

Date: 9/5/2008 8:48:01 PM

Author: luckystar112

Date: 9/5/2008 8:12:55 PM


Author: MoonWater


anyone want any meth? http://andrewsullivan.theatlantic.com/the_daily_dish/2008/09/wasilla-the-met.html

Am I missing something? Last I checked uncovering meth labs was a good thing. Sounds like Palin took a stand against drugs.

Yup, that''s why the town where she was Mayor is considered the meth capital of Alaska.

Really? Being in Alaska, did it have much competition?

That brings a HUGE smile across my face. Can you guess why?