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Palin actually said "Sambo Beat the Bitch?" when Obama won the nomination? WTF?
I seriously do not think McCain did a thorough vetting of this woman.
This Republican ticket reminds me of some Frankensteinian monster with all the weird disparate parts put together lumbering for VICTORY. It doesn''t even make any sense.
I seriously do not think McCain did a thorough vetting of this woman.
This Republican ticket reminds me of some Frankensteinian monster with all the weird disparate parts put together lumbering for VICTORY. It doesn''t even make any sense.
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I''m not sure...the only article I''ve read about this quoted a "waitress" at a "restaurant" who didn''t want her last name used...I would need a more accurate source before I believe it. However, with the things that come out of VP''s mouths I wouldn''t find it that surprising...Biden''s had some pearls himself...
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Wow...I didn't say that...of course it bothers me...I just said I needed a better source before I start believing it. The article I read about it just said some waitress in some restaurant overheard it...doesn't sound like an airtight source to me, that's all. I said I wouldn't be surprised (I didn't say I wouldn't be disappointed) because Biden has made disparging remarks about Indians and African-Americans but no one really cares.Date: 9/5/2008 10:23:44 PM
Author: part gypsy
Indy, so that comment doesn't um bother you? You don't mind someone like that representing our country?
I'm just trying to understand.
ETA: Your post asked if Palin really said that and I answered that I was unsure. I hope this wasn't perceived as some sort of tolerance for racism.
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Why would you assume this is true? Why would you act like it is true; and then talk down to IndyGirl, like she actually approves of this silly comment, when all she said was -- "I don''t believe it."
I''ll tell you what, since most of you want to act like Obama is the coming Messiah and Palin is the Anti-Christ, I think I''ll just take a pass on this thread from here on. This isn''t reasoned discussion.
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It appears that a lot of the info from the "questionable" article came from Anne Kilkenny, she kept getting asked questions and wrote a letter which many places have posted: http://www.thepresidentialcandidates.us/about-sarah-palin-a-letter-from-anne-kilkenny/741/
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I am just thinking out loud here, so feel free to pass it up. Even though Alaska doesn't have the highest population for the "largest state" in America, I find it ironic that there is such a dearth of people who are willing to go on record regarding Sarah Palin. I just happen to feel a bit cocky today because my instincts on yet another fradulent injury claim proved accurate and I was able to garner enough evidence to stop her in her tracks. So that being said, I trust my instincts. This talent or inate skill has provided me... an uwed, non-college educated single Mom at 18 the ability to make more money than most people walking around with a Master's. I trust my gut, my sixth sense when combined with evidence and even more so, lack thereof.
All day as I read articles about those on actual fact finding missions...the reporters in the trenches...without an agenda and even those that clearly do have an agenda, I couldn't stop thinking two things.
"If you don't have anything nice to say, don't say anything at all" and "Fear". A lot of fear. Why is so little being shared about Sarah Palin?
Alaska, and Sarah's home town are small, but there are still a lot of people. I get the sense that many of the populace there truly are afraid to go on record about her. Maybe a lot of them are ignorant of the workings of the state government, maybe not. But there isn't much praise out there about her from every day people. It's the silence between the notes that creates the song, as much as the notes themselves. I do not like what I am hearing...and not hearing. My radar is strongly swaying to the left.
I don't want to bring religion into this thread, but based on my experience with such strong fundamentalist Christians (like my ex-boyfriend who I discovered had the initials KKK, and that his father named all three of his sons so they would have the same initials, had the same strong beliefs about Jews and punishment and Jesus). Scary. They have so much in common with fundamental Islamic extremists, they just don't recognize the resemblence of religious fanaticism.
Thank you, everyone, for posting different links so that I can continue to gather more facts and get information from those who actually know and have direct experience with Governer Palin, than the propaganda machines.
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Guys, I could say all day long I heard X or Y said about people. It is not TRUE simply because someone SAYS it was said. Back it up with proof or tangible stuff and that is a whole ''nother ball of wax. That Sambo comment, if true, is offensive and ignorant. If not true, someone is working hard to polarize people, how shocking.
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Very True DFan, but isn't there a part of you that can actually imagine her saying this about Hillary and Obama if she were eating with a bunch of high powered politicos of the opposing party? The reason that I ask this, is because I should have been able to flat out discount it.
But two years ago while at my sister's *cough* home *cough* trailer *cough* 20 miles south of Atlanta, some "friends" came into the house while I was in the kitchen. The were dropping the *N* word like it was nothing. I mean it was every day conversation to refer to people as "this *N*, that *N" and they weren't African/American and just being "Brotha's" These were "rednecks". I don't feel ashamed calling them that, because they were. My sister internally freaked when they were casually in conversation because she knew that I would go apecaca. As I was starting out the kitchen to confront them, she was already rounding the corner to face me and give me a "look". I told her that she better get out of my way. She pleaded with me to do nothing. She told me that it is the way they were raised and it isn't anything, they don't mean disrespect. BullS***! I told her that I would be more than happy to educate them properly. She pleaded with me again. I told her I would count to 10, but they better be shown the door or I was going to confront them. The hardest thing I had to do was turn back around and cut the cauliflower while I counted to ten and my sister made up something and went outside with them. I guess it would have looked pretty bad since I still had the knife in my hand. I live in Southern California and we just don't talk like that here. I don't think I would have believed it about "Dog the Bounty Hunter" either, except that his own son recorded him doing so.
I know it's heresay. But a lot of heresay is truth, regardless of what is admissable in a court. I bet that if that waitress was smart enough, and had an agenda, she would have put down the coffee pot and grabbed herself a recorder so she could have sold it to the tabloids when Sarah Palin was the VP nominee.
Heck, even I have referred to Hillary as a 'Bit**". Heck, I have even referred to myself as one from time to time. It's not that big of a stretch really.
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I am not saying she could not have said something or something like it. I do not know much about her and I hope like heck she is NOT capable of having said anything of the sort, but just do not know. Certainly there are people who think very narrowly and are just prejudiced and nasty, and she could be one of them.
I am only making the point that anyone can say anyone said anything, and at this time, people who do not like her will be coming out of the woodwork. Again, she very well might have said it, in which case, she is pretty low in my book, just not sure, and it is in the interest of people who dislike her to try to discredit her in any way they can.
I am only making the point that anyone can say anyone said anything, and at this time, people who do not like her will be coming out of the woodwork. Again, she very well might have said it, in which case, she is pretty low in my book, just not sure, and it is in the interest of people who dislike her to try to discredit her in any way they can.
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I agree...I just found it odd that all of a sudden a waitress in a restaurant would just come forward with this information (or that people would come to her seeking it) and that we heard nothing about this until she received the VP nomination. If my governor would''ve said something like that I guarantee it''d be in the local papers the next day...I was just suspicious that all of these horrible things are being said and coming out about her just now. It''s the timing and lack of proof that makes me question it, not the naivete that she could not have said it. There is definitely a huge anti-Palin movement going on (not just here), & that''s fine, but I always keep in mind that the displeased are always going to be the loudest (i.e. protestors at conventions). You don''t enter politics without making & keeping enemies, so I''m not surprised that her enemies in Alaska feel that someone will finally be listening & choose rant about Palin & they are free to do so. Everyone has their own agenda, though, so reading letters from a few disenfranchised residents doesn''t quite convince me either way. I could understand not wanting to be publicly vocal about your discontent with the governor, but it makes me wonder who was polled to get her high approval rating?
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Actually, I don't think it is surprising that people would want to know more about a person who may become their political leader who was just introduced to the nation from a relatively obscure position.
I would be more worried if nobody cared to talk to the normal folk who had daily interaction with her that wasn't a stage performance.
I don't think the waitress came out of the woodwork. I think that a gazillion people have dutifully descended upon Alaska to pull back the curtain on the "Big and Powerful Oz". It's merely due diligence. It is merely a piece of information that we will likely be barraged with in the next two months and for that I am grateful.
Everyday I get conflicting information in court cases and at some point there has to be a credibility decision based on the totality of the evidence presented. Those that rush to judgement based on one speech risk being gullible, naive, and sometimes, very wrong. Was it Einstein that said something like "I don't have to be right, I am just interested in knowing whether or not I am"?
I would be more worried if nobody cared to talk to the normal folk who had daily interaction with her that wasn't a stage performance.
I don't think the waitress came out of the woodwork. I think that a gazillion people have dutifully descended upon Alaska to pull back the curtain on the "Big and Powerful Oz". It's merely due diligence. It is merely a piece of information that we will likely be barraged with in the next two months and for that I am grateful.
Everyday I get conflicting information in court cases and at some point there has to be a credibility decision based on the totality of the evidence presented. Those that rush to judgement based on one speech risk being gullible, naive, and sometimes, very wrong. Was it Einstein that said something like "I don't have to be right, I am just interested in knowing whether or not I am"?
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I'm also not surprised that people want to know every little detail about Palin (I like learning more about her, but even then some of the "news" isn't really news to me); I just wish people would do their research before posting and spreading information that may or may not be true...makes it hard to know what to believe, so I tend just not to believe any of it that isn't substantiated with concrete evidence (the law student in me - I'm totally there with you about the credibility judgments too). Of course, this is wishful thinking in the age of the Internet.
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I hear ya IndyGirl.
I know through years and years of experience that sometimes, no matter how much evidence to the contrary, people think they are their opinion. Some people just refuse to change their opinion or admit they are ever wrong, even when faced with overwhelming evidence. It's one of the most frustrating aspects of human nature. Not so much for me, because I win nearly all of my contested cases. (Even though I sometimes feel really bad that the person couldn't "get it" before they had to be publicly humiliated). But that is because it is usually blatantly obvious to me. Yet, I learned from my new employee, that it isn't obvious to everyone. In fact, she thought I was downright crazy about my position on a certain person and claim just shortly after she was hired. But she didn't have my direct experience with this person over the past few years to enlighten her. It was only after time had passed and the behavior that I had predicted began to manifest itself that she was like "Whoa!! Dude, I used to go home and tell my FI that you were crazy, but now..."
One of my favorite questions when I am interviewing a potential employee candidate is to ask "Tell me about a time that you made a mistake. What was it, what action did you take, and what was the resolution?" It's the most hysterically entertaining and disappointing question to ask because the reaction and answer to the question is using disqualifying. It's amazing how many people can't easily admit a mistake, or if they do, it is usually because of someone else...blah, blah, blah..... NEXT !!! I can ask this question to a graduating student who has little job experience or a person who has been in their field for 30 years and it's always the highlight. I love to put candidates on speaker phone just so my staff can listen in and they truly get to understand why they got the job.
I know through years and years of experience that sometimes, no matter how much evidence to the contrary, people think they are their opinion. Some people just refuse to change their opinion or admit they are ever wrong, even when faced with overwhelming evidence. It's one of the most frustrating aspects of human nature. Not so much for me, because I win nearly all of my contested cases. (Even though I sometimes feel really bad that the person couldn't "get it" before they had to be publicly humiliated). But that is because it is usually blatantly obvious to me. Yet, I learned from my new employee, that it isn't obvious to everyone. In fact, she thought I was downright crazy about my position on a certain person and claim just shortly after she was hired. But she didn't have my direct experience with this person over the past few years to enlighten her. It was only after time had passed and the behavior that I had predicted began to manifest itself that she was like "Whoa!! Dude, I used to go home and tell my FI that you were crazy, but now..."
One of my favorite questions when I am interviewing a potential employee candidate is to ask "Tell me about a time that you made a mistake. What was it, what action did you take, and what was the resolution?" It's the most hysterically entertaining and disappointing question to ask because the reaction and answer to the question is using disqualifying. It's amazing how many people can't easily admit a mistake, or if they do, it is usually because of someone else...blah, blah, blah..... NEXT !!! I can ask this question to a graduating student who has little job experience or a person who has been in their field for 30 years and it's always the highlight. I love to put candidates on speaker phone just so my staff can listen in and they truly get to understand why they got the job.
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Credibility issues aside, you clearly haven''t lived in a small town. I don''t either, strictly speaking, but if anyone here from Oklahoma City was reading this, they would tell you that it resembles a small town in a lot of ways. Even so, I have many friends who hailed from small towns in their youth, and the things that are known about but are kept silent would literally curl your hair. Pastors getting kids to buy them beer, incest, child abuse, you name it. Many people know and NO ONE talks. The retribution would be swift. A small town is a very isolated thing, at least it can be so in the minds of the residents. The mindset is GENUINELY different than city dwellers. (And in Alaska, that isolation can be more than mental.) You talk badly about someone, and they''ll know who said what in about 10 minutes.Date: 9/6/2008 1:04:07 AM
Author: IndyGirl22
I''m also not surprised that people want to know every little detail about Palin (I like learning more about her, but even then some of the ''news'' isn''t really news to me); I just wish people would do their research before posting and spreading information that may or may not be true...makes it hard to know what to believe, so I tend just not to believe any of it that isn''t substantiated with concrete evidence (the law student in me - I''m totally there with you about the credibility judgments too). Of course, this is wishful thinking in the age of the Internet.My suspicion about the waitress is that if she really did hear Palin say that, why would she have not shared this information earlier (before the VP nomination)? Like I said, if such a thing happened here it would be in the news ASAP. Just seems weird...who knows if it''s true or not. Unfortunately, people have short memory spans when it comes to ignorant remarks, though, so I don''t know that even if this claim is proven to have been uttered by Palin if it will have much affect in the election months from now.
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I don't really get what your post means...I grew up in a town with 31,000 people; I don't know if most would consider that a small town but I definitely don't consider it a big one. Your post actually runs parallel to the argument that I was making - that if she did say this months ago, then why was there no article, news story, etc. written up about it then (i.e. you saying that people will know what you said in 10 minutes)? If there was such discontent with her I would think information like that would spread like wildfire. When a person (the waitress) makes such allegations (racism, ignorance, etc.) they should be able to back up their allegations with facts, other witnesses, etc. If not, it should be expected that most won't believe them. Also, if these people were so displeased with her as governor maybe they should've spoken up & utilized the democratic process to enact change...if they were in the minority they probably wouldn't have made much difference in an election, but they could've made people more aware of the "horrible" things Palin was doing.
ETA: Even in our "small" town my mother spoke out many times against a politician she disagreed with...she finally got the politician's attention & received a handwritten reply to her letters to the editor.
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