Buying my first diamond :)

[rockysalamander]

I came across this site, I found the CUT GUIDE and LENGTH-TO-WIDTH GUIDE very interesting. What do you think, do you agree?
https://enchanteddiamonds.com/education/shapes/radiant

JA has email me the ASET of https://www.jamesallen.com/loose-diamonds/radiant-cut/1.01-carat-h-color-vvs2-clarity-sku-4991662



Opinions welcome

Looks good. Second opionions? @tyty333 @flyingpig @Niel @diamondseeker2006

Did you get any others? I like having options...

 

[diamondseeker2006]

Looks good. Second opionions? @tyty333 @flyingpig @Niel @diamondseeker2006

Did you get any others? I like having options...

The one pictured is not one I'd personally consider as I would only consider one with a well defined and symmetrical facet pattern. I also think 1.43 ratio is too long and skinny. I'd stay in the 1.3 range, personally. Sorry, I just have to be honest.

 

[LetLoveRule]

Looks good. Second opionions? @tyty333 @flyingpig @Niel @diamondseeker2006

Did you get any others? I like having options...

I haven't seen other radiant ones that I like. Only just found this one:
https://www.jamesallen.com/loose-diamonds/radiant-cut/1.02-carat-h-color-vs2-clarity-sku-3641300

Also came across this cushion cut:
https://www.jamesallen.com/loose-diamonds/cushion-cut/1.03-carat-d-color-vs2-clarity-sku-5001483

 

[LetLoveRule]

The one pictured is not one I'd personally consider as I would only consider one with a well defined and symmetrical facet pattern. I also think 1.43 ratio is too long and skinny. I'd stay in the 1.3 range, personally. Sorry, I just have to be honest.

Thanks for your honesty

Just wondering why you don't like the ratio? Is this guide any good?

 

[rockysalamander]

I don't personally mind the ratio and I still consider the ASET good (on my giant screen at home there is a bit more white than I saw on my phone). You need to decide if you like it enough to have them ship it to you.

Found a few more radiants, JA will generally provide up to 3 ASET per email. So, ahm, you could ask for all three for the once I loved below if you have an additional email. Otherwise, 4679371 is the largest (weight and spread), 4679322 looks great in the video, but I'd personally be jumping for 4354317 (but I like antique cuts and unique stones).

https://www.jamesallen.com/loose-diamonds/radiant-cut/1.01-carat-g-color-vs2-clarity-sku-4679371; there is a small inclusion on the table that would likely be invisible to the naked eye and examination up close - but you can also ask JA; L/W/D (MM): 6.72*5.05*3.43; L/W RATIO: 1.33
https://www.jamesallen.com/loose-diamonds/radiant-cut/1.00-carat-g-color-vs2-clarity-sku-3632961; 6.04*5.21*3.81; RATIO: 1.16
https://www.jamesallen.com/loose-diamonds/radiant-cut/0.92-carat-g-color-vs1-clarity-sku-4679322 (video look awesome); 6.27*5.32*3.68; RATIO: 1.18

I previously posted this and the exchange rate made it out of budget. Maybe exchange rates are more favorable now? If the budget can work, this has potential.
https://www.jamesallen.com/loose-diamonds/radiant-cut/1.02-carat-h-color-if-clarity-sku-4672271; 6.85*5.26*3.50 RATIO: 1.30

This has a really cool faceting pattern. Its a modified square, but thought it stood out.
https://www.jamesallen.com/loose-diamonds/radiant-cut/1.12-carat-i-color-si1-clarity-sku-2100615; 5.81*5.79*4.27; 1.1 ratio

This is super cool with a raised crown. I rarely see these high crowns and gives this a more vintage feeling.
https://www.jamesallen.com/loose-diamonds/radiant-cut/1.09-carat-j-color-vvs1-clarity-sku-4354317; 6.53*5.40*3.97; 1.21 ratio

 

[diamondseeker2006]

No, that guide isn't any good. I think what matters more is the length of your fingers and how small they are. People with long skinny fingers may be able to handle a longer stone. But there are sometimes problems wearing a wedding band with long stones unless the setting is really made the right way. This goes for any elongated stone, not just asschers. To me, a stone with a lesser ratio will have greater width and makes the diamond look bigger than one that is narrow in width but taller. But unless you have access to a variety to try on, it is hard to determine your preferences on your hand.

@rockysalamander posted a stone I really love. To me it is modern, but it has that symmetrical facet pattern I spoke of, plus to me, it has a more flattering ratio. It's just a more beautiful stone in every respect to me. So many radiants are just flat topped, and this one has a lovely crown which is so much more pleasing to look at when your ring is at an angle.

https://www.jamesallen.com/loose-diamonds/radiant-cut/1.09-carat-j-color-vvs1-clarity-sku-4354317

This one, also, is fantastic if you wanted a more square stone.

https://www.jamesallen.com/loose-diamonds/radiant-cut/1.12-carat-i-color-si1-clarity-sku-2100615

 

[rockysalamander]

No, that guide isn't any good. I think what matters more is the length of your fingers and how small they are. People with long skinny fingers may be able to handle a longer stone. But there are sometimes problems wearing a wedding band with long stones unless the setting is really made the right way. This goes for any elongated stone, not just asschers. To me, a stone with a lesser ratio will have greater width and makes the diamond look bigger than one that is narrow in width but taller. But unless you have access to a variety to try on, it is hard to determine your preferences on your hand.

@rockysalamander posted a stone I really love. To me it is modern, but it has that symmetrical facet pattern I spoke of, plus to me, it has a more flattering ratio. It's just a more beautiful stone in every respect to me. So many radiants are just flat topped, and this one has a lovely crown which is so much more pleasing to look at when your ring is at an angle.

https://www.jamesallen.com/loose-diamonds/radiant-cut/1.09-carat-j-color-vvs1-clarity-sku-4354317

This one, also, is fantastic if you wanted a more square stone.

https://www.jamesallen.com/loose-diamonds/radiant-cut/1.12-carat-i-color-si1-clarity-sku-2100615

So glad to get another positive vote. Its nice to have other veterans chiming in on this tough shape. I adore the 1.09 J VVS1. I'd totally snatch that one up too!

 

[diamondseeker2006]

I just saw a mistake in my last post! I obviously meant radiants and not asschers in that first paragraph!

 

[LetLoveRule]

I don't personally mind the ratio and I still consider the ASET good (on my giant screen at home there is a bit more white than I saw on my phone). You need to decide if you like it enough to have them ship it to you.

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This is super cool with a raised crown. I rarely see these high crowns and gives this a more vintage feeling.
https://www.jamesallen.com/loose-diamonds/radiant-cut/1.09-carat-j-color-vvs1-clarity-sku-4354317; 6.53*5.40*3.97; 1.21 ratio

Thank you
A few are out of my price range I would really prefer not square and eye clean.

JA advised not to go with this one (something about the girdle, I think?):
https://www.jamesallen.com/loose-diamonds/radiant-cut/0.92-carat-g-color-vs1-clarity-sku-4679322

This one is amazing! So different from others I've seen. Put on hold and ASET is on the way
https://www.jamesallen.com/loose-diamonds/radiant-cut/1.09-carat-j-color-vvs1-clarity-sku-4354317

However, JA advised to go with my initial choice (https://www.jamesallen.com/loose-diamonds/radiant-cut/1.01-carat-h-color-vvs2-clarity-sku-4991662) as it has a better light reflection and the 4354317 is a J colour. They reckon to not go lower than H. After seeing 4354317, I'm not as interested in 4991662 anymore though..

Any thoughts on this cushion cut?
https://www.jamesallen.com/loose-diamonds/cushion-cut/1.03-carat-d-color-vs2-clarity-sku-5001483

 

[LetLoveRule]

No, that guide isn't any good. I think what matters more is the length of your fingers and how small they are. People with long skinny fingers may be able to handle a longer stone. But there are sometimes problems wearing a wedding band with long stones unless the setting is really made the right way. This goes for any elongated stone, not just asschers. To me, a stone with a lesser ratio will have greater width and makes the diamond look bigger than one that is narrow in width but taller. But unless you have access to a variety to try on, it is hard to determine your preferences on your hand.

@rockysalamander posted a stone I really love. To me it is modern, but it has that symmetrical facet pattern I spoke of, plus to me, it has a more flattering ratio. It's just a more beautiful stone in every respect to me. So many radiants are just flat topped, and this one has a lovely crown which is so much more pleasing to look at when your ring is at an angle.

https://www.jamesallen.com/loose-diamonds/radiant-cut/1.09-carat-j-color-vvs1-clarity-sku-4354317

This one, also, is fantastic if you wanted a more square stone.

https://www.jamesallen.com/loose-diamonds/radiant-cut/1.12-carat-i-color-si1-clarity-sku-2100615

Thanks

I've got small hands (ring size J) with regular fingers I guess (not particularly long, skinny fingers). I have tried a few rings on but there are not many without a halo around. I didn't feel like an emerald shape (about the same ratio as 4991662) was too rectangle, I guess that if you would go bigger in size (2ct+) it would make more of a difference?

Yes! The 4354317 is very different due to the crown. The 4991662 is quite flat in comparison. I didn't realise that it would make a difference when you look at the diamond from an angle. I would love to have a diamond with a lot of sparkle have to keep in mind that the side diamonds need to match as well though (JA said the side diamonds are G/H so you would see the difference with a J colour as centre diamond).

 

[LetLoveRule]

You guys have done it now! Haha my fiancé really likes your suggestion too (https://www.jamesallen.com/loose-diamonds/radiant-cut/1.09-carat-j-color-vvs1-clarity-sku-4354317). Only thing we are worried about is the J colour as we have been advised not to go any lower than H and the ring will be 18ct white gold. Is skin colour of importance?

What about these:
https://www.jamesallen.com/loose-diamonds/radiant-cut/1.00-carat-f-color-vvs2-clarity-sku-5199914
https://www.jamesallen.com/loose-diamonds/radiant-cut/1.01-carat-h-color-if-clarity-sku-5381931

Not that they come close to 4354317.. Waiting for the ASET btw

 

[Matthews1127]

I’m team 1.09JVVS. I understand the concern about the clash of color with the side stones, but, it’s Ex Cut, and has the more broad facet pattern across the stone I mentioned, a while ago.
It’s an amazing stone, in video. I’ll be shocked if the ASET comes back a dud.
If you fall in love with this stone, is there any way to change the setting choice?

 

[LetLoveRule]

I’m team 1.09JVVS. I understand the concern about the clash of color with the side stones, but, it’s Ex Cut, and has the more broad facet pattern across the stone I mentioned, a while ago.
It’s an amazing stone, in video. I’ll be shocked if the ASET comes back a dud.
If you fall in love with this stone, is there any way to change the setting choice?

Yes, the ring hasn't been made yet as I want to choose the diamond first

 

[Matthews1127]

Yes, the ring hasn't been made yet as I want to choose the diamond first

My recommendation is to go with what you fall in love with, and then worry about the setting, after you choose your diamond.
The last thing you want to do is to allow your setting to dictate your Centerstone.

 

[LetLoveRule]

I'm not really worried about the setting but I'm not too sure about the J colour as I've been told multiple times that I shouldn't go lower than H with a radiant cut. Especially not being able to return/exchange the diamond easily, I'm cautious. However, I really appreciate everyone's help and really like the 4354317. Hopefully the ASET comes through soon.

I've been looking at Australian website and found these:
https://segoma.com/v.aspx?type=view&id=BCASM9OK5T (Image tab has ASET)
https://segoma.com/v.aspx?type=view&id=YM1P711JNK (too flat?)

 

[Matthews1127]

I'm not really worried about the setting but I'm not too sure about the J colour as I've been told multiple times that I shouldn't go lower than H with a radiant cut. Especially not being able to return/exchange the diamond easily, I'm cautious. However, I really appreciate everyone's help and really like the 4354317. Hopefully the ASET comes through soon.

I've been looking at Australian website and found these:
https://segoma.com/v.aspx?type=view&id=BCASM9OK5T (Image tab has ASET)
https://segoma.com/v.aspx?type=view&id=YM1P711JNK (too flat?)

Of the two, I am a fan of the second diamond’s facet pattern (0.92).
1.09JVVS is still superior, to my eyes.

 

[LetLoveRule]

Of the two, I am a fan of the second diamond’s facet pattern (0.92).
1.09JVVS is still superior, to my eyes.

Agreed, just looking at less risk (so buying within Australia). Do you think the ASET has too much white?

 

[Matthews1127]

Agreed, just looking at less risk (so buying within Australia). Do you think the ASET has too much white?

For a radiant cut, I do not believe that it has “too much” white, but I would like to see more red than green.

 

[Matthews1127]

I would compare the ASET of both the 1.09 and 0.92 as soon as you get the ASET of the 1.09.

 

[LetLoveRule]

I would compare the ASET of both the 1.09 and 0.92 as soon as you get the ASET of the 1.09.

I'll upload it at soon as I receive it (time difference doesn't help..)

 

[coda72]

I am probably going to be the dissenting voice here, and say that a J colored radiant is going to be pretty tinted. I have a radiant that I got when I first joined PS and fell in love with round stones, and radiant stone definitely show more color than a super ideal round will. If we were advising you on a super ideal round brilliant from one of the vendors here, I would have no problem telling you to buy a J colored stone. However, I would not go any lower than H for a radiant if I were you especially since you live in Australia and that makes returns more difficult.

 

[LetLoveRule]

I am probably going to be the dissenting voice here, and say that a J colored radiant is going to be pretty tinted. I have a radiant that I got when I first joined PS and fell in love with round stones, and radiant stone definitely show more color than a super ideal round will. If we were advising you on a super ideal round brilliant from one of the vendors here, I would have no problem telling you to buy a J colored stone. However, I would not go any lower than H for a radiant if I were you especially since you live in Australia and that makes returns more difficult.

Thanks for your honesty, appreciate it and confirms my doubts.

I think I kind of fell in love with that diamond but the J colour is a big concern for me and why I've started looking at Australian sellers again. They are more expensive and have less online choice (reason I looked at sites like JA, they're hard to beat) but the fact that returns are so much easier, makes it worth spending time on. I have the details and video of this diamond to go by and hope to find a similar one with a better colour. As buying within Australia doesn't have a time frame like buying within US does, it sort of gives me peace of mind.

 

[LetLoveRule]

Went to my jeweller and asked his opinion, he really likes the diamond too (can't beat the price and specs, except for the colour) but says it's really hard to determine anything, especially the colour, without seeing the diamond. I have looked for similar diamonds but it looks like it's one of a kind
Only one that came close (but is square) is https://www.jamesallen.com/mobile/l...cut/1.09-carat-i-color-if-clarity-sku-4354313

ASET received, thoughts?

 

[Matthews1127]

Went to my jeweller and asked his opinion, he really likes the diamond too but says it's really hard to determine anything without seeing the diamond. I have looked for similar diamonds but it looks like it's one of a kind

ASET received, thoughts?

That ASET is awesome!!!

 

[LetLoveRule]

That ASET is awesome!!!

I think so too and I'm soooooo tempted to order it I will make a decision within 2 days.. Anyone else want to give their opinion? @rockysalamander @coda72 @diamondseeker2006

 

[coda72]

The ASET looks good, but the J color still concerns me. Like your jeweler said, it’s hard to say if the color will bother you unless you see it in person. Looks like you need to order it; hopefully the return process isn’t too difficult for you if you need to return it.

 

[rockysalamander]

Great aset. I think you have to judge color in person.

 

[LetLoveRule]

Thanks everyone I have ordered the diamond, it will arrive in Australia in 2 weeks. Hopefully it's as amazing as I think it is, I'll keep you posted

 

[Matthews1127]

Thanks everyone I have ordered the diamond, it will arrive in Australia in 2 weeks. Hopefully it's as amazing as I think it is, I'll keep you posted

Can’t wait to know what you think of it, in person!!!

 

[ringo865]

"Seeing" color is not the same as "bothered by" color.

What if this stone has an "antique lace" tint (warm white) but is one of the brightest, most lively, well-cut radiant stones around? Far better (in my opinion) than a cold white stone that has no sparkle or life.

I can't wait to see pics and hear what you think when you see it!!