We asked for ASET or ideal scope images. Jeweler says he’s never heard of it.

[sav]

I wanted to run, but I can’t. I already paid a deposit and I’m locked into the diamond. I made my peace with it. Jeweler is working on the setting now.

1.8 carat D VVS2 3Ex Natural

The proportions are far from ideal, but almost perfect for what she wants (I think). As a result, I know the fire isn’t there, but I do appreciate the whiteness and clarity (assuming my research findings and newfound knowledge/understanding of those implications are correct). I know you can’t tell it’s a VVS2 and a D color, I know I paid a premium, but that was more of a principle thing on my end.

Table 59
Depth 60.5
CA 33
CH 13
PA 41.6
Lower half 80
Girdle 3%


Now here’s my question:
Since there is a lot of light leakage, how do I strategize on the setting/mounting to solve for the light leakage that will happen due to these proportions? Ig make the basket thicker, etc? In theory, will that even help? She said simple and elegant - so, this is a round, solitaire in platinum.

 

[sav]

Is this a normal response? For a jeweler to have never heard of an ASET or ideal scope image? (This is in LA/OC)

 

[freddyboston]

how much is the deposit and final price ? - might be worth it trying to get out of it or just take the loss and buy @ online vendor. Also does it have Fluorescence ? I personally prefer it BUT i also would expect to get a big discount 20-30% vs a Non FL in a D color VVS2...

 

[Dreamer_D]

Most jewelers have not heard of those tools. They are sort of niche.

But I don’t see why you should be “locked in”. Have you asked the jeweler if you can exchange for another stone?

 

[sav]

Most jewelers have not heard of those tools. They are sort of niche.

But I don’t see why you should be “locked in”. Have you asked the jeweler if you can exchange for another stone?

Oh, I thought this was standard.. oops lol

The jeweler said he already purchased the stone.

 

[sav]

how much is the deposit and final price ? - might be worth it trying to get out of it or just take the loss and buy @ online vendor. Also does it have Fluorescence ? I personally prefer it BUT i also would expect to get a big discount 20-30% vs a Non FL in a D color VVS2...

10K deposit, 26K final price

No fluorescence

 

[freddyboston]

ouch - well at least the price is fair for 3x D vvs2 - just a shame it's not a great cut....(likely in the HCA 4 territory) I would try to get out of it if you can.. beg them etc... they could have done better for you.... have you tried for a "re-do"

 

[sav]

ouch - well at least the price is fair for 3x D vvs2 - just a shame it's not a great cut....(likely in the HCA 4 territory) I would try to get out of it if you can.. beg them etc... they could have done better for you.... have you tried for a "re-do"

Yes HCA 4.4…
What does re-do entail?

Is there any way I can compensate for the light leakage via the setting/mounting? Will a certain placement of the basket/shoulders help mitigate against the steep pavilion?

 

[freddyboston]

Yes HCA 4.4…
What does re-do entail?

Is there any way I can compensate for the light leakage via the setting/mounting? Will a certain placement of the basket/shoulders help mitigate against the steep pavilion?

re-do.. if they won't return the $ deposit at least maybe they can apply your deposit to pick another diamond from them... Tell them your not "Happy"

 

[Dreamer_D]

re-do.. if they won't return the $ deposit at least maybe they can apply your deposit to pick another diamond from them... Tell them your not "Happy"

Yeah push for exchanging for a different stone.

Worst case just enjoy. Set it however the intended wearer prefers.

 

[MissGotRocks]

A setting won't make a big difference in the cut quality.

 

[jjca]

I wanted to run, but I can’t. I already paid a deposit and I’m locked into the diamond. I made my peace with it. Jeweler is working on the setting now.

1.8 carat D VVS2 3Ex Natural

The proportions are far from ideal, but almost perfect for what she wants (I think). As a result, I know the fire isn’t there, but I do appreciate the whiteness and clarity (assuming my research findings and newfound knowledge/understanding of those implications are correct). I know you can’t tell it’s a VVS2 and a D color, I know I paid a premium, but that was more of a principle thing on my end.

Table 59
Depth 60.5
CA 33
CH 13
PA 41.6
Lower half 80
Girdle 3%


Now here’s my question:
Since there is a lot of light leakage, how do I strategize on the setting/mounting to solve for the light leakage that will happen due to these proportions? Ig make the basket thicker, etc? In theory, will that even help? She said simple and elegant - so, this is a round, solitaire in platinum.

I wanted to run, but I can’t. I already paid a deposit and I’m locked into the diamond. I made my peace with it. Jeweler is working on the setting now.

1.8 carat D VVS2 3Ex Natural

The proportions are far from ideal, but almost perfect for what she wants (I think). As a result, I know the fire isn’t there, but I do appreciate the whiteness and clarity (assuming my research findings and newfound knowledge/understanding of those implications are correct). I know you can’t tell it’s a VVS2 and a D color, I know I paid a premium, but that was more of a principle thing on my end.

Table 59
Depth 60.5
CA 33
CH 13
PA 41.6
Lower half 80
Girdle 3%


Now here’s my question:
Since there is a lot of light leakage, how do I strategize on the setting/mounting to solve for the light leakage that will happen due to these proportions? Ig make the basket thicker, etc? In theory, will that even help? She said simple and elegant - so, this is a round, solitaire in platinum.

I wanted to run, but I can’t. I already paid a deposit and I’m locked into the diamond. I made my peace with it. Jeweler is working on the setting now.

1.8 carat D VVS2 3Ex Natural

The proportions are far from ideal, but almost perfect for what she wants (I think). As a result, I know the fire isn’t there, but I do appreciate the whiteness and clarity (assuming my research findings and newfound knowledge/understanding of those implications are correct). I know you can’t tell it’s a VVS2 and a D color, I know I paid a premium, but that was more of a principle thing on my end.

Table 59
Depth 60.5
CA 33
CH 13
PA 41.6
Lower half 80
Girdle 3%


Now here’s my question:
Since there is a lot of light leakage, how do I strategize on the setting/mounting to solve for the light leakage that will happen due to these proportions? Ig make the basket thicker, etc? In theory, will that even help? She said simple and elegant - so, this is a round, solitaire in platinum.

How do you know there is light leakage? If you saw it, picked it, and put down the deposit? Maybe it’s close to a 60/60… do you love it in person?

 

[Daisys and Diamonds]

if she loves it do not shear your doubts with her

 

[sav]

How do you know there is light leakage? If you saw it, picked it, and put down the deposit? Maybe it’s close to a 60/60… do you love it in person?

It’s my fault for not doing research beforehand and not knowing about cut proportions. Yes I think it can be considered a 60/60. I did love it in person but that was only because it had all the right specs and I didn’t know any better

 

[sav]

A setting won't make a big difference in the cut quality.

Will it help prevent at least SOME light leakage?

 

[DejaWiz]

Will it help prevent at least SOME light leakage?

No. The diamond itself is responsible for gathering and reflecting light, not the setting.

You're paying a premium for a D VVS diamond, you should be demanding premium light return and optical performance.

My advice: ask for an exchange to a diamond with much better proportions and angles.

Look at the in-house diamonds from Whiteflash, Brian Gavin, Victor Canera and any other true SIC sellers to give you a solid baseline of what your jeweler should be giving you in return for your money.

 

[MissGotRocks]

Will it help prevent at least SOME light leakage?

No, it won’t. The diamond behaves all on its own.

 

[yssie]

With those proportions - if you really can't switch the stone - you're going to want to get as much light to that pavilion as possible. Four prongs, set the stone as high as your intended is comfy with, no gallery details. Frequent scrubbing - keeping it clean will be even more important. Make sure the jeweller polishes the interior of the head to a high shine before mounting the stone. Consider rhodium plating the interior if not white metal (might be difficult to do with an open setting style).

 

[Dreamer_D]

With those proportions - if you really can't switch the stone - you're going to want to get as much light to that pavilion as possible. Four prongs, set the stone as high as your intended is comfy with, no gallery details. Frequent scrubbing - keeping it clean will be even more important. Make sure the jeweller polishes the interior of the head to a high shine before mounting the stone. Consider rhodium plating the interior if not white metal (might be difficult to do with an open setting style).

I was also going to suggest a very open gallery with as much light as possible getting at the underside of the stone.

 

[freddyboston]

10K deposit, 26K final price

No fluorescence

actually if you want to just write off the 10k you could spend the 16k remainder on this 2ct D Si1.....much better looking and likely eye clean... (plus 30 day 100% $ back)

https://www.jamesallen.com/loose-diamonds/round-cut/2.05-carat-d-color-si1-clarity-excellent-cut-sku-16184226?utm_source=affiliate&utm_medium=referral&utm_campaign=earthdiamonds-ps&a_aid=ps

 

[DejaWiz]

actually if you want to just write off the 10k you could spend the 16k remainder on this 2ct D Si1.....much better looking and likely eye clean... (plus 30 day 100% $ back)

https://www.jamesallen.com/loose-diamonds/round-cut/2.05-carat-d-color-si1-clarity-excellent-cut-sku-16184226?utm_source=affiliate&utm_medium=referral&utm_campaign=earthdiamonds-ps&a_aid=ps

Graining and MBF - not sure I'd agree with abandoning $10k for this one...

 

[freddyboston]

I think Fluor is a bonus (so you can tell it's not a Synth).... plus that graining is minimal and Med wouldn't be an issue.... but i do like swim against the crowd..
to me this .92 D IF VSB is the cats meow... It's small but technically you can't get much more rare....
Very Strong Grade: Diamonds graded as "Very Strong" fluorescence represent an even smaller portion, making up only about 0.6% of diamonds

Loupe360

loupe360.com

 

[sav]

With those proportions - if you really can't switch the stone - you're going to want to get as much light to that pavilion as possible. Four prongs, set the stone as high as your intended is comfy with, no gallery details. Frequent scrubbing - keeping it clean will be even more important. Make sure the jeweller polishes the interior of the head to a high shine before mounting the stone. Consider rhodium plating the interior if not white metal (might be difficult to do with an open setting style).

This is so monumentally helpful, thank you. We did four split prongs, and I think it’s an open gallery with a cathedral band. I gave notes to the jeweler that I wanted the basket a little thinner as well. The band/setting is 95% platinum.

 

[DejaWiz]

I think Fluor is a bonus (so you can tell it's not a Synth).... plus that graining is minimal and Med wouldn't be an issue.... but i do like swim against the crowd..
to me this .92 D IF VSB is the cats meow... It's small but technically you can't get much more rare....
Very Strong Grade: Diamonds graded as "Very Strong" fluorescence represent an even smaller portion, making up only about 0.6% of diamonds

Loupe360

loupe360.com

If OP is buying a natural/earth grown diamond, then even "none" fluorescence still means that it is a natural/earth grown diamond, yes?
So why would having fluorescence even matter - who is it proving to that it isn't a synthetic/human grown diamond?
I think you're kinda reaching here to convince us of your stance that OP should abandon a large $10k sum of hard earned money to get an SI1 clarity diamond with MBF and graining. The loss in case of a trade-in or sale situation is going to be much greater...

I think the logical path here is for OP to have a serious discussion with their jeweler and find some superior diamonds to pick from within the price of the project.

 

[lovedogs]

I strongly suggest talking to the jeweler. The stone isn't well cut. It really isn't a good use of the money.

 

[freddyboston]

If OP is buying a natural/earth grown diamond, then even "none" fluorescence still means that it is a natural/earth grown diamond, yes?
So why would having fluorescence even matter - who is it proving to that it isn't a synthetic/human grown diamond?
I think you're kinda reaching here to convince us of your stance that OP should abandon a large $10k sum of hard earned money to get an SI1 clarity diamond with MBF and graining. The loss in case of a trade-in or sale situation is going to be much greater...

I think the logical path here is for OP to have a serious discussion with their jeweler and find some superior diamonds to pick from within the price of the project.

Oh I wouldn't abandon the deposit - I'd ask for it back (cry and beg / sit outside the store holding a protest sign - tell my social circle how bad they are - sue in court - CA is very consumer friendly state) $10k non refundable and he hasn't even driven it off the lot is ridiculous - i don't know how they can defend/justify that $$ amount ????

But anyway, pretend the 10k doesn't exist.... at this point which would you choose for the remaining 16k if you wanted a bright and sparkly D color diamond ? (Assume you used the JA 30 day 100% $ return policy to confirm #2 not milky/hazy and that it's eye clean)

Personally i go with the better cut over the higher clarity grade....

# 1 1.80 ct D color HCA 4.4 score
Table 59 - Depth 60.5
CA 33 w PA 41.6
CH 13 Girdle 3% Lower half 80

# 2 2.05ct D color HCA 1.6

 

[jjca]

It’s my fault for not doing research beforehand and not knowing about cut proportions. Yes I think it can be considered a 60/60. I did love it in person but that was only because it had all the right specs and I didn’t know any better

That’s all that matters! If you love it… and it’s gorgeous - who cares what the report says. No one will see it - only the stone.

 

[freddyboston]

Actually it's the opposite .... Sounds more like he loved the GIA report 4 C's specs more than the light performance of the stone.... Ideally you start with the Cut / Light performance and then try to find best balance of Size, Color Clarity for the budget....

 

[DejaWiz]

Actually it's the opposite .... Sounds more like he loved the GIA report 4 C's specs more than the light performance of the stone.... Ideally you start with the Cut / Light performance and then try to find best balance of Size, Color Clarity for the budget....

This. freddyboston brings up a great point about the trap that most diamond shoppers fall into (I have before in the past):
Getting wowed by those intense jewelry store dazzle lights and shopping via/getting persuaded by a grading report that shows overly simplified and generic 4Cs from the "the world's best" grading lab used as a shroud to hide that their cut grading criteria is rather ho-hum compared to the far superior cut grading system with three dimensional light performance analysis that this very lab now owns: AGS.

 

[MissGotRocks]

This. freddyboston brings up a great point about the trap that most diamond shoppers fall into (I have before in the past):
Getting wowed by those intense jewelry store dazzle lights and shopping via/getting persuaded by a grading report that shows overly simplified and generic 4Cs from the "the world's best" grading lab used as a shroud to hide that their cut grading criteria is rather ho-hum compared to the far superior cut grading system with three dimensional light performance analysis that this very lab now owns: AGS.

Too bad folks have no way of knowing that the AGS addendum would be added to the GIA grading report if it qualified for same.