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Bigdog0598

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So my jeweler has a stone he has offered as a deal, I trust him and he's a good buy, my wife and I want a yellow diamond, this is obviously faint yellow but by the time it's set I'm sure it'll look great. He's going to make a setting for us to see it in so well know.

Anyways onto the specs

Gia
3.33 carats
U to v color
Si1
Very good polish
Good symmetry
68% table
79% depth
Very thick gridle

8.28 x 7.39 x 5.87 size

Wants to sell for about $15k prob can talk him down to about 14200 or 14500

What do you guys think?
 
What shape/type of cut is it?
 
Guess that'd be helpful. It is a radiant cut
 
HI Bigdog,
A few points, in general.
A stone above 75% depth may be considered too deep by many.
It may not mean the stone is not good looking- but it may appear smaller than other stones of similar weight.

The second point is about setting: It makes a HUGE difference.
So, if your jeweler is very experienced in setting such stones, that may help.
Sometimes a U-V can look very yellow, other times not.

Last point is Fluorescence.
This characteristic can have a HUGE effect on appearance of a light yellow.
 
The stone has faint fluorescent. The main thing to me is the depth. It looks more like a 2.8 to 3 ct then a 3.3 which is fine, that's not small. I just don't want to spend a bunch of money on a stone that if we ever had to sell no one would want BC of the depth and what not
 
Do you guys think this stone is worth buying is my real question. I don't want to spend all this money for a stone if we ever want to sell or upgrade that's worth nothing.
 
Do you have a photo of it, a video link to it, an ASET pic of it, or something to work on. We can't really see the cut of it other than knowing that is deep. Alternatively put it on hold so some lurker can't grab it and post the link. You could also punch the numbers into the AGA diamond grading tool and it will tell you more about the cut of it as well, make sure you use the drop down box and put in radiant as the shape;

https://www.pricescope.com/tools/AGA_NAJA_Cut_Class_Grader
 
It is at the jeweler that I use. Here is the cert and a pic I took with my iPhone

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+1 How it is set is going to play a huge role in the appearance of color, I found it quite interesting that the cloud on the clarity map is heart shaped, lol, definitely a plus.
 
Have you seen it in person? How yellow is it? I used to own this (hopefully the link works for you).

This is the stone without a yellow cup underneath;

http://loupetroop.com/listings/loose-stones-diamond/5-dot-13-w-to-x-vvs2-light-yellow-pear-known-as-big-lemony

This is it with a yellow cup underneath, same stone when it belonged to another owner;

[URL='https://www.pricescope.com/community/threads/my-5-13ct-lemony-pear-fect-diamond.118596/']https://www.pricescope.com/community/threads/my-5-13ct-lemony-pear-fect-diamond.118596/[/URL]

If you put it in a yellow setting and possibly a yellow cup underneath you might pick up a bit more colour.

Can you get a good picture of it looking front on direct at the face of the stone straight so we can look at the cut.
 
I'd keep looking just to make sure whether it is the best you can find. I wouldn't pay based on the weight of that stone since it is cut so deep. Here is a fancy light yellow which shows significantly more yellow, and it is 2.4 cts and has the face up size a little greater than the one you are looking at. I suspect it is on the shallow side, but still, you need to compare other stones.

http://www.jamesallen.com/loose-diamonds/fancy-color/yellow/radiant-cut/2.43-carat-si1-clarity-sku-225325

I can't get any U-V colors on the site I am looking at, but here another stone just to show you the measurements. You need some price comps, though, to make sure you are paying a fair price.

http://www.jamesallen.com/loose-diamonds/radiant-cut/2.56-carat-k-color-vs1-clarity-sku-191255 (gorgeous cut!!!) 8.75x7.0

Based on the price on this K stone, I'd say the one you are looking at is maybe priced too high. But I tried to find you some price comps on three sites and just didn't find an equivalent stone.

Here's a Z color 3 ct SI1 at $12,800:

http://www.solomonbrothers.com/DiamondDetail.aspx?sku=47594567&affiliate=9318613A-AD0C-4530-A456-0409DFEFB8DE%20&utm_source=PriceScope

Since your stone faces up smaller in area, I would say I would offer less than this one.
 
thediamondshopper said:
+1 How it is set is going to play a huge role in the appearance of color, I found it quite interesting that the cloud on the clarity map is heart shaped, lol, definitely a plus.
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I didn't notice it was a heart lol.

arkieb1 said:
Have you seen it in person? How yellow is it? I used to own this (hopefully the link works for you).

This is the stone without a yellow cup underneath;

http://loupetroop.com/listings/loose-stones-diamond/5-dot-13-w-to-x-vvs2-light-yellow-pear-known-as-big-lemony

This is it with a yellow cup underneath, same stone when it belonged to another owner;

[URL='https://www.pricescope.com/community/threads/my-5-13ct-lemony-pear-fect-diamond.118596/']https://www.pricescope.com/community/threads/my-5-13ct-lemony-pear-fect-diamond.118596/[/URL]

If you put it in a yellow setting and possibly a yellow cup underneath you might pick up a bit more colour.

Can you get a good picture of it looking front on direct at the face of the stone straight so we can look at the cut.
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That stone is huge!!! And quite amazing wish that was in the budget lol, looks way less yellow without the cup.

diamondseeker2006 said:
I'd keep looking just to make sure whether it is the best you can find. I wouldn't pay based on the weight of that stone since it is cut so deep. Here is a fancy light yellow which shows significantly more yellow, and it is 2.4 cts and has the face up size a little greater than the one you are looking at. I suspect it is on the shallow side, but still, you need to compare other stones.

http://www.jamesallen.com/loose-diamonds/fancy-color/yellow/radiant-cut/2.43-carat-si1-clarity-sku-225325

I can't get any U-V colors on the site I am looking at, but here another stone just to show you the measurements. You need some price comps, though, to make sure you are paying a fair price.

http://www.jamesallen.com/loose-diamonds/radiant-cut/2.56-carat-k-color-vs1-clarity-sku-191255 (gorgeous cut!!!) 8.75x7.0

Based on the price on this K stone, I'd say the one you are looking at is maybe priced too high. But I tried to find you some price comps on three sites and just didn't find an equivalent stone.

Here's a Z color 3 ct SI1 at $12,800:

http://www.solomonbrothers.com/DiamondDetail.aspx?sku=47594567&affiliate=9318613A-AD0C-4530-A456-0409DFEFB8DE%20&utm_source=PriceScope

Since your stone faces up smaller in area, I would say I would offer less than this one.
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Wow! Thx for the research, I couldn't find much like the one the jeweler has, and that depth has me a little scared. He said if it is deep it will look more yellow. That 3ct z looks pretty interesting, and that k one does have 1 hell of a cut looks amazing!
 
HI Bigdog,
A few general points:
When trying to compare photos of a stone with Fluorescence, the manner in which the photo was taken makes a huge difference.
The large pear shape under discussion is such a stone. So trying to compare photos of it set taken under different lighting means valid comparison is not possible.

Next- depth ( physical depth) and how it affects depth of color.
GIA grades a diamond on it's appearance- so if a given stone has a U-V grade, being deeper does not necessarily make it more yellow than the net stone graded U-V color.

Lastly- yellow "cups" can add some color- but they can also rob a stone of life.
My personal feeling s generally to avoid "cupping" the bottom of a stone- and we've set quite a few stones in this range.
 
Rockdiamond|1382318966|3541390 said:
HI Bigdog,
A few general points:
When trying to compare photos of a stone with Fluorescence, the manner in which the photo was taken makes a huge difference.
The large pear shape under discussion is such a stone. So trying to compare photos of it set taken under different lighting means valid comparison is not possible.

Next- depth ( physical depth) and how it affects depth of color.
GIA grades a diamond on it's appearance- so if a given stone has a U-V grade, being deeper does not necessarily make it more yellow than the net stone graded U-V color.

Lastly- yellow "cups" can add some color- but they can also rob a stone of life.
My personal feeling s generally to avoid "cupping" the bottom of a stone- and we've set quite a few stones in this range.
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Thanks so much for the info. I'm getting some pics of the stones mentioned above. I'll post and see everyone's thoughts.
 
Just to add a point. Make sure you check the area with the cloud using your naked eye. For a stone of such size with only a cloud feature in it, my suspicion is that it must be serious to warrant an SI clarity.

Check for haziness at that area and whether it impacts brilliance and at the same time whether it is eye clean.
 
I totally agree and when I looked at it I couldn't see much honestly. I even asked why is this si1 and he said there is a cloud and if you look close there is a haze spot but honestly quite hard to notice and I'm very picky.
 
Price is ver nice but from what I've read cushion and radiant are the best cuts for yellow diamonds and the word champagne scares me. Thx for that thou!
 
The pear which I owned has been sold, it was just an example to show you the difference cup versus no cup. I don't totally agree that a cup ruins the light performance of a stone, there are pluses and minuses but it should be taken on a stone by stone basis. It depends how well cut the stone was to begin with and in very pale yellow stones where you are trying to maximise the colour I think generally there are more reasons to add cups than not.

Have you looked at what places like Diamondsby Lauren and Mark Broumand have at the moment? Both have online stores, they frequently have a lot of coloured stones and stones in the W, X, Y, Z range that are tinted. And if you are looking for something with more colour try Leibish.
 
Here is a 3 ct I got pics of. The black dot scares me a bit.

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Here is another I found. And I'll have more pics Tom and another yellow to see. Any thought. I think the side looks a little funky. Guess I'll know when I get more pics

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