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To all the dealers trashing Lab Diamonds

freddyboston said:
In France the word Diamond alone (w/no modifier) can only apply to the $$$ Naturals...

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It is the same in the U.S., I think. According to the FTC, it must be disclosed if it is grown in a lab.

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So, I guess a natural diamond can JUST be called a diamond, but a lab diamond must ALWAYS be called a lab diamond or something similar. I could argue when you say just the word "diamond" you mean "natural diamond." It does not need a qualifier.
 
Interesting article about rarity:


I think this is conversation that we should be having.

There is an endless supply of lab diamonds-that is what affects their perceived value.

" Sometimes it can be hard to understand how truly rare diamonds are, but if you were to gather together all the diamonds from around the world, ever polished since the beginning of time, they would fill only one double-decker bus."

-Forevermark

If this true-that's a crazy statistic!
 
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"Folks might have their own definition of what they like, I suppose, but I just don’t think we’re in a position to define what a diamond is. I think that’s already been defined."

@Chelsea Palmer ,
and what is a sapphire? Dictionary definitions of gemstones do not necessarily delve into synthetics. That does not mean they don't exist and aren't different. Or that they aren't valued in a completely different way - quite understandably.

Sapphire Definition & Meaning​


Merriam-Webster
https://www.merriam-webster.com



1. a : a gem variety of corundum in transparent or translucent crystals of a color other than red; especially : one of a transparent rich blue.
 
Heathcat24 said:
It is the same in the U.S., I think. According to the FTC, it must be disclosed if it is grown in a lab.

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So, I guess a natural diamond can JUST be called a diamond, but a lab diamond must ALWAYS be called a lab diamond or something similar. I could argue when you say just the word "diamond" you mean "natural diamond." It does not need
Heathcat24 said:
It is the same in the U.S., I think. According to the FTC, it must be disclosed if it is grown in a lab.

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So, I guess a natural diamond can JUST be called a diamond, but a lab diamond must ALWAYS be called a lab diamond or something similar. I could argue when you say just the word "diamond" you mean "natural diamond." It does not need a qualifier.
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Bonfire said:
If De Beers Group had trademarked the word diamond we wouldn’t be having this conversation.
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I don’t think they could’ve trademarked the word “diamond”. Maybe they could call their stones Kimberlite diamonds? I’m not even sure I’m using the right word there, but I saw that word relative to how diamonds get to the Earth’s surface. There was also another word that I can’t remember.
 
I’m not a patent attorney, however De Beers Group absolutely could've registered the domain “natural diamond.” That would have easily clarified the difference between natural vs synthetic ‘stones’. @Texas Leaguer made a good point in post #305
 
Bonfire said:
I’m not a patent attorney, however De Beers Group absolutely could've registered the domain “natural diamond.” That would have easily clarified the difference between natural vs synthetic ‘stones’. @Texas Leaguer made a good point in post #305
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Registered the domain, yes. I thought someone mentioned before that DeBeers should’ve trademarked the name “diamond”, and that’s what I was saying. I didn’t think it would’ve been possible.
 
lulu_ma said:
There is an endless supply of lab diamonds-that is what affects their perceived value.
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This. While both are diamonds, lab created have less value TO ME because another one can be made. Making them in a lab, again - TO ME, gives them less value.

Not to mention colored lab diamonds - pretty, but not natural. But I guess that's a whole other can of worms.
 
Bonfire said:
Well it’s moot, and so is continuing this with you. This thread has been hijacked far enough.
I encourage you to head over to the Lab Grown section of PS and start your own thread
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My head hurts reading through this whole thread. This is the reason I don’t come on here anymore.
 
Chelsea Palmer said:
It would have to be opposite, only because diamonds grown in a lab are diamonds. Obviously, or they wouldn’t be called diamonds. I’m not the one who made that decision. Whoever the authority is over matters such as these deemed diamonds are stones mined from the Earth and now also created in laboratories. It’s really basically the same comparison as getting a suntan by sitting on the beach versus going to a UV-ray tanning booth. The resultant suntan is the same regardless of what method it was created. The cubic zirconia of suntans is a spray tan. A spray tan is not the same as a tan achieved via UV rays, whether those UV rays were provided by the sun or provided by a tanning booth.
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I don‘t think there is a diamond authority. A name is just a name. A name alone can not define something. I can call my table chair… it still remains a table (unless the table or chair authority tells me something else). The fact that a lab diamond has to be disclosed as such shows, that there is in fact a difference. The difference is that one is natural (the diamond) and one is synthetic (the Lab diamond). They are both of the very same material but still different.
 
Demon said:
This. While both are diamonds, lab created have less value TO ME because another one can be made. Making them in a lab, again - TO ME, gives them less value.

Not to mention colored lab diamonds - pretty, but not natural. But I guess that's a whole other can of worms.
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Roselina said:
I don‘t think there is a diamond authority. A name is just a name. A name alone can not define something. I can call my table chair… it still remains a table (unless the table or chair authority tells me something else). The fact that a lab diamond has to be disclosed as such shows, that there is in fact a difference. The difference is that one is natural (the diamond) and one is synthetic (the Lab diamond). They are both of the very same material but still different.
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I would think there could be unethical sellers who would procure a lab-grown diamond and, because it’s chemically identical to a diamond from the Earth, mark up the cost. So that it would cost comparable to what a diamond from the Earth would cost. If the LGD is inscribed with a grading lab # prefaced by “LG”, that protects the purchaser, I suppose.
 
Roselina said:
I don‘t think there is a diamond authority. A name is just a name. A name alone can not define something. I can call my table chair… it still remains a table (unless the table or chair authority tells me something else). The fact that a lab diamond has to be disclosed as such shows, that there is in fact a difference. The difference is that one is natural (the diamond) and one is synthetic (the Lab diamond). They are both of the very same material but still different.
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Not a diamond authority per se; whoever came up with the word “diamond” and the criteria that make a stone a diamond.
 
Chelsea Palmer said:
Not a diamond authority per se; whoever came up with the word “diamond” and the criteria that make a stone a diamond.
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The word diamond is derived from the ancient Greek word adamas meaning unbreakable, which evolved into the Latin diamas during the medieval ages.

Shall we ask an ancient Greek philosopher or a medieval Latin scholar?
 
lulu_ma said:
The word diamond is derived from the ancient Greek word adamas meaning unbreakable, which evolved into the Latin diamas during the medieval ages.

Shall we ask an ancient Greek philosopher or a medieval Latin scholar?
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I don’t think we need to because you have given the answer already.
 
mrs-b said:
Bit of a sideways suggestion here...

Something that I think might help some earth mined diamond retailers is to look to their purchasing options. If you're selling a product that has an almost identical competitor that retails at 10% of the price (or less), you want to make your product as easy to acquire as possible.

To that end, I would suggest offering a layaway program to customers. I've wanted to have that option for years. There's an item on a certain well-loved site I would put down a 20% deposit on immediately, if I could get a layaway option. But once I pass, say, $10k, you're talking about an amount I don't normally have just lying around to spend on an item for which I have no pressing need. I'll think about it, think about it, decide I have a dozen things more worthy of the amount, and almost always move on. Which is exactly what's happened. If, on the other hand, I had, say, 6 months to pay this item off - or even 4 months, on a non-refundable deposit basis, I'd plonk down the $2.5k deposit this afternoon.

Earth mined diamond companies might be selling luxury items, but very few people have luxury-level incomes. Options are good - both in the products available, but also in the purchasing process.
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From Marian-Webster:
1. condition of abundance or great ease and comfort : sumptuous environment
lived in luxury

2. something adding to pleasure or comfort but not absolutely necessary
one of life's luxuries

3. an indulgence in something that provides pleasure, satisfaction, or ease
had the luxury of rejecting a handful of job offers

Based on definition two (and somewhat definition three), are Earth-mined diamonds any more luxurious than any other diamond? Or any other gem? If a diamond is not a necessity, does that not make all diamonds and gems luxury items, regardless of the source? What these companies are selling is extremely expensive items and, yes, at a cost that is out of reach to the average Joe (and Joanne).
 
mrs-b said:
Bit of a sideways suggestion here...

Something that I think might help some earth mined diamond retailers is to look to their purchasing options. If you're selling a product that has an almost identical competitor that retails at 10% of the price (or less), you want to make your product as easy to acquire as possible.

To that end, I would suggest offering a layaway program to customers. I've wanted to have that option for years. There's an item on a certain well-loved site I would put down a 20% deposit on immediately, if I could get a layaway option. But once I pass, say, $10k, you're talking about an amount I don't normally have just lying around to spend on an item for which I have no pressing need. I'll think about it, think about it, decide I have a dozen things more worthy of the amount, and almost always move on. Which is exactly what's happened. If, on the other hand, I had, say, 6 months to pay this item off - or even 4 months, on a non-refundable deposit basis, I'd plonk down the $2.5k deposit this afternoon.

Earth mined diamond companies might be selling luxury items, but very few people have luxury-level incomes. Options are good - both in the products available, but also in the purchasing process.
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That is such a good idea @mrs-b. It was very easy for me to justify larger purchases when I had the PayPal cc that gave you 6 months no interest. Then my account got hacked so I closed the credit account.

Now when I buy jewelry I put it on credit and pay it before the month’s end. Removing a large sum from your savings account hits different than paying for something over 6 months.
 
Jewellery in ANY form and cost, is a luxury in my book, in that I don't need them to survive. They are nice to have.

IMHO, each person has different definitions of luxury, need and want.

Each to their own.

I have my own definitions and do not feel the need to justify them to anyone except to myself when I decide to buy or commission a piece of jewellery.

DK :))
 
Lisa Loves Shiny said:
That is such a good idea @mrs-b. It was very easy for me to justify larger purchases when I had the PayPal cc that gave you 6 months no interest. Then my account got hacked so I closed the credit account.

Now when I buy jewelry I put it on credit and pay it before the month’s end. Removing a large sum from your savings account hits different than paying for something over 6 months.
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Good Lord :roll:

Now we are being asked to argue and define the definition of Luxury and abundance? Yet again, as written time and again on this post, it is truly a subjective experience. I keep coming back here to ensure this has found an end... alas, the train-wreck of all posts has continued. I implore the poster who will never find a satisfactory response, despite NUMEROUS explanations, to either end the questions and banter, or head over to the LGD space, where this discussion belongs- NOT in RT, where we discuss NATURAL DIAMONDS, defined as grown from the EARTH.

It's simple. There is no gray, Natural Diamonds= RT, Lab Grown (NOT the same as Natural Earth mined)= LGD. Two different Threads for two completely different topics, You can chat up Lab Grown Diamonds until your heart's content in the LGD community, whereby you will likely find responses that may be more keen to what ultimately in the end you are looking for- and that is that LGD, and Natural are more similar than they are different- you are NEVER going to convince all the folks in RT to agree they are the EXACT SAME. So if that is the end-game you are searching for (and I think it might be) the argument is a moot one.

Also, it appears you have already formed your opinion that a Diamond, is a Diamond is a Diamond... and no one can convince you otherwise, which is great- we are all allowed to have an opinion. It is not anyone's responsibility to convince you otherwise, especially when you don't actually want convincing. At some point there needs to be some self-awareness ;)2

It makes me wonder why you are trying so hard to convince everyone, when at the end of the day, I wonder if you are simply just trying to convince yourself?

Seriously, just enjoy your jewelry... truly, the beauty of all jewelry is to love it for what is and what it means to you... I can only imagine that the heaviness of this thread is taking away from the joy you should be having. So when you feel inclined to post "yet again," take that opportunity to stare at the beauty on your finger and just admire what you have!
 
Disruption. That’s an accurate way to describe what man made diamonds have caused to the jewelry business as a whole.
I’ve been on Pricescope many years.
I’m a vendor, that’s clear.
I’ll be 100% bluntly honest here… as great as the forum and moderation has been, there are times I wonder the motivation of members who are very vociferous.
I’m not making any accusations here. But the disruption I refer to is deep.
A number of sellers of each sort of diamond feel the need to trash the other. That’s my whole point of starting this thread.
Maybe someone so desperately trying to change hearts and minds was deeply affected by these sales pitches.
Or they just want to stir the pot
 
TruLuv858 said:
Good Lord :roll:

Now we are being asked to argue and define the definition of Luxury and abundance? Yet again, as written time and again on this post, it is truly a subjective experience. I keep coming back here to ensure this has found an end... alas, the train-wreck of all posts has continued. I implore the poster who will never find a satisfactory response, despite NUMEROUS explanations, to either end the questions and banter, or head over to the LGD space, where this discussion belongs- NOT in RT, where we discuss NATURAL DIAMONDS, defined as grown from the EARTH.

It's simple. There is no gray, Natural Diamonds= RT, Lab Grown (NOT the same as Natural Earth mined)= LGD. Two different Threads for two completely different topics, You can chat up Lab Grown Diamonds until your heart's content in the LGD community, whereby you will likely find responses that may be more keen to what ultimately in the end you are looking for- and that is that LGD, and Natural are more similar than they are different- you are NEVER going to convince all the folks in RT to agree they are the EXACT SAME. So if that is the end-game you are searching for (and I think it might be) the argument is a moot one.

Also, it appears you have already formed your opinion that a Diamond, is a Diamond is a Diamond... and no one can convince you otherwise, which is great- we are all allowed to have an opinion. It is not anyone's responsibility to convince you otherwise, especially when you don't actually want convincing. At some point there needs to be some self-awareness ;)2

It makes me wonder why you are trying so hard to convince everyone, when at the end of the day, I wonder if you are simply just trying to convince yourself?

Seriously, just enjoy your jewelry... truly, the beauty of all jewelry is to love it for what is and what it means to you... I can only imagine that the heaviness of this thread is taking away from the joy you should be having. So when you feel inclined to post "yet again," take that opportunity to stare at the beauty on your finger and just admire what you have!
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I'm sorry did I say something wrong? I just liked @mrs-b post regarding payment options and was agreeing with her. Or maybe I am not understanding your reply? Thanks
 
Lisa Loves Shiny said:
I'm sorry did I say something wrong? I just liked @mrs-b post regarding payment options and was agreeing with her. Or maybe I am not understanding your reply? Thanks
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I think it was an accidental reply/quote to the wrong comment.
 
Love one, the other, or both!
Your Life - Your Choice!

Here, I made this:

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Lisa Loves Shiny said:
I'm sorry did I say something wrong? I just liked @mrs-b post regarding payment options and was agreeing with her. Or maybe I am not understanding your reply? Thanks
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@Lisa Loves Shiny- Ahhh!! It was a misquote!!! You didn’t do or say anything wrong, lol! So sorry about that? Not sure how that happened- somehow my perimenopausal brain grabbed the wrong quote! You were probably like what the heck?? Sincere apology… keep blessing us with your wonderful contributions!
 
My take after reading this entire thread (yup I trooped through) is that I will only ever use diamonds as melee and only at competitive prices in case the natural melee I paid for is actually lab.

Thank goodness I’m a coloured stone girl! Maybe should run out and buy more unheated blue sapphires :lol:
 
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