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To all the dealers trashing Lab Diamonds

My apologies for being unclear. There are plenty of folks who have referred to diamond sourced from a laboratory as being costume jewelry.

To be fair, that's not the same thing as denying lab grown diamonds being real diamonds.
 
My apologies for being unclear. There are plenty of folks who have referred to diamond sourced from a laboratory as being costume jewelry.

costume jewellery
noun
jewellery made with inexpensive materials or imitation gems.

While you're arguing about the 'imitation' part I think the distinguishing part here is the 'inexpensive materials'.

On the wholesale market lab diamonds were going for $100/ct (quote from an IG vendor).

Your definition of inexpensive and someone else's might be completely different.
 
@Chelsea Palmer: you explained your point of view with multiple posts.
As you stated, you're not understanding the love for natural diamonds: not understanding is a limit, not a validation...you don't hold the truth and you're not smarter, it's just your opinion.
You traded your 1.5 ct natural diamond for a 2 ct lab diamond : it's fine as long as your happy with it, but please stop trashing people who have a different point of view.

I'm sure you're going to buy lab diamonds for your eternity bands, so please ask the moderator to move your thread to the appropriate forum -Lab Diamonds- neither your thread nor you belong to the RockyTalky forum.

Dear purplesilk. I have some diamonds already that I might reuse for my eternity bands.
 
It’s a diamond that’s a diamond depending on your definition of diamond and what makes a “diamond-diamond” a diamond. Now, some people think that a diamond is a diamond if it is not a diamond but maybe it is a diamond. That is their diamond opinion on diamonds and they are entitled to it and so are the people. None of this really matters anyway without the triple-alpha process which if you can find an energy-efficient way of doing that in a lab then diamonds will be the least of our worries because we will have diamonds that are diamonds unless you think that a triple alpha process in a lab is not a triple alpha process which is fine because nobody is going to decipher that theory, kind of like this thread, which, while not quite a billion years old, is still fun to look at, like a diamond..

But is it really me who decides what a diamond is? If I pick up a shard of glass while walking along the beach, and I say this is a diamond, does that make it so? I’m not sure who the ultimate authority is that determines that a stone is a diamond, but I know it’s not me. A diamond is a precious stone consisting of a clear and colorless crystal in form of pure carbon. That’s a definition of diamond. I don’t think I have the ability to override that.
 
A diamond is a precious stone consisting of a clear and colorless crystal in form of pure carbon. That’s a definition of diamond. I don’t think I have the ability to override that.
and some people may add to the bolded part "that is mined from the earth". Some may not. I think this subject has gone as far as it can.
 
and some people may add to the bolded part "that is mined from the earth". Some may not. I think this subject has gone as far as it can.

Not sure if the lovely folks on Pricescope have the authority to change definitions. Understand what you’re saying, but I’m not sure it’s for us to be able to modify the definition of something.
 
Not sure if the lovely folks on Pricescope have the authority to change definitions. Understand what you’re saying, but I’m not sure it’s for us to be able to modify the definition of something.

I think we are all free to have our own definitions for ourselves. And there is not only one definition.

From Websters:
a
: native crystalline carbon that is the hardest known mineral, that is usually nearly colorless, that when transparent and free from flaws is highly valued as a precious stone, and that is used industrially especially as an abrasive
also : a piece of this substance
b
: crystallized carbon produced artificially

take your pick
 
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Yikes ! Even Martin Rapaport has thrown in towel on the Diamond War.... it's all about colors now :)

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Yikes ! Even Martin Rapaport has thrown in towel on the Diamond War.... it's all about colors now :)

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I do not know who Mr. Rapaport is, and I’m not sure what diamond war he is waging, but if he offers colored diamonds, I will certainly look at those. I love pink diamonds, and I love yellow diamonds
 
I think we are all free to have our own definitions for ourselves. And there is not only one definition.

From Websters:
a
: native crystalline carbon that is the hardest known mineral, that is usually nearly colorless, that when transparent and free from flaws is highly valued as a precious stone, and that is used industrially especially as an abrasive
also : a piece of this substance
b
: crystallized carbon produced artificially

take your pick

My interpretation is that, whether mined from the Earth or created in a lab, these are definitions of diamonds. Folks might have their own definition of what they like, I suppose, but I just don’t think we’re in a position to define what a diamond is. I think that’s already been defined.
 
Nature made vs. man made. Billions of years vs. months. If you can't appreciate the difference in that, we can't explain it any further. Natural diamonds have been around for many, many years. Labs just hit a few years back. This is part of the allure of natural diamonds but as I said earlier, no one really has to justify to you or anyone else their preferences. If it doesn't ring true for you, that's fine. Just accept that there are different opinions on the subject and move on.

I was a geology major... so I'm 100% into the history and science of natural diamonds. For me it's like natural stone countertops vs manufactured. I love the wonkiness of my marble countertops and I enjoyed studying the geology of the mountains they came from (Dolomites). I love that most diamonds have imperfections and what those imperfections say about how and where they formed. I have nothing against lab - but I am pleased to have a stone the Earth created long ago and that it was eventually found, cut to precision, and polished to shine like a little disco ball.
 
I was a geology major... so I'm 100% into the history and science of natural diamonds. For me it's like natural stone countertops vs manufactured. I love the wonkiness of my marble countertops and I enjoyed studying the geology of the mountains they came from (Dolomites). I love that most diamonds have imperfections and what those imperfections say about how and where they formed. I have nothing against lab - but I am pleased to have a stone the Earth created long ago and that it was eventually found, cut to precision, and polished to shine like a little disco ball.

Except manufactured countertops can’t be the same as natural stone countertops. That was the original point of my query. How a diamond source from the lab could not be considered a diamond.
 
Except manufactured countertops can’t be the same as natural stone countertops. That was the original point of my query. How a diamond source from the lab could not be considered a diamond.

I think this has long gotten into territory of arguing semantics - what is your end goal for this thread and anyone that has replied to it?
 
Nothing anymore. In fact, I was wondering why people are still replying in fact.
 
As far as I am aware, the crystalline structure of an earth-mined/natural diamond is the same as a diamond that is grown in a laboratory.

A manufactured countertop and a natural stone countertop are not the same in material construction. The former such as engineered stones are made up of ground up materials such as quartz and then mixed up with resin and colours. Whereas the latter is carved out of the Earth's crust and not engineered.

Costume/fashion jewellery to me are made of synthetic simulants such as CZ, Moissanites and Swarovski crystals etc., with non-precious base metals.

I do not consider jewellery made with LGD and precious metals to be costume//fashion jewellery. However, some would argue they should not be considered as "high end" or "high jewellery".

DK :))
 
My name is Karl and I love sparky rocks.
Interesting thread....kinda like watching a car wreck over and over.
The biggest difference between lab and mined is the cost to play the sparky rock game.
Now for me, I just love the sparky rock game with all kinds of sparky rocks.
 
My name is Karl and I love sparky rocks.
Interesting thread....kinda like watching a car wreck over and over.
The biggest difference between lab and mined is the cost to play the sparky rock game.
Now for me, I just love the sparky rock game with all kinds of sparky rocks.

I like the idea of a 1ct Octavia in LGD set in Platinum as a RHR - that I can afford!

DK :lol-2:
 
As far as I am aware, the crystalline structure of an earth-mined/natural diamond is the same as a diamond that is grown in a laboratory.

A manufactured countertop and a natural stone countertop are not the same in material construction. The former such as engineered stones are made up of ground up materials such as quartz and then mixed up with resin and colours. Whereas the latter is carved out of the Earth's crust and not engineered.

Costume/fashion jewellery to me are made of synthetic simulants such as CZ, Moissanites and Swarovski crystals etc., with non-precious base metals.

I do not consider jewellery made with LGD and precious metals to be costume//fashion jewellery. However, some would argue they should not be considered as "high end" or "high jewellery".

DK :))

I was 100% with you until your last sentence! That’s the point. Why would a diamond not be considered high-end or high Jewelry? Note I said a “diamond”. Because diamonds grown in a lab and diamonds from the Earth are both, of course, diamonds. This, is, of course, assuming nearly-identical specs.
 
My name is Karl and I love sparky rocks.
Interesting thread....kinda like watching a car wreck over and over.
The biggest difference between lab and mined is the cost to play the sparky rock game.
Now for me, I just love the sparky rock game with all kinds of sparky rocks.

Dear Karl K, excuse me if I’m mistaken, but I assume you mean “sparkly rocks”? And I assume you mean sparkly rocks are sparkly rocks and the difference is how much one is willing to pay for a sparkly rock? Is that your way of saying the difference between the two is basically how much money someone is going to spend? This wasn’t the point of my original question, but now I’m interested to know if that’s what you mean.
 
I like the idea of a 1ct Octavia in LGD set in Platinum as a RHR - that I can afford!

DK :lol-2:

I wish Octavias were affordable in LGD! Sadly I spoke to Yoram and he said that due to the time, effort, and rough needed for cutting the Octavia, it would be over 10k usd. I cried haha
 
I was 100% with you until your last sentence! That’s the point. Why would a diamond not be considered high-end or high Jewelry? Note I said a “diamond”. Because diamonds grown in a lab and diamonds from the Earth are both, of course, diamonds. This, is, of course, assuming nearly-identical specs.

Maybe you need to read the definition of high jewellery. For one it mentions rare materials. Nothing rare about lab diamonds. Unless you're going to try and explain that somehow they are exactly the same as natural diamonds.
 
I was not going to contribute anymore but to be honest I like a good discussion and I like to get to the bottom of things. So if the initial question is (and I think it is an interesting question to discuss): is a lab diamond a diamond, then we might have to consider this from different perspectives, such as technological, geological or even philosophical, and the answer might very well differ. To start easy I consulted the Cambridge dictionary, that tells me:
Diamond: "a transparent, extremely hard precious stone [...]."
Stone: "the hard, solid substance found in the ground [...]."
Per difinitionem a lab diamond, when consulting this source, would not be a diamond after all. I'm pretty sure we can find other sources telling us the opposite.
 
Looking forward to seeing the big jewellery houses making high end/high jewellery using LGD.

I, for one, would love a Chaumet tiara with LGD! :lol-2:

DK :))
 
I was not going to contribute anymore but to be honest I like a good discussion and I like to get to the bottom of things. So if the initial question is (and I think it is an interesting question to discuss): is a lab diamond a diamond, then we might have to consider this from different perspectives, such as technological, geological or even philosophical, and the answer might very well differ. To start easy I consulted the Cambridge dictionary, that tells me:
Diamond: "a transparent, extremely hard precious stone [...]."
Stone: "the hard, solid substance found in the ground [...]."
Per difinitionem a lab diamond, when consulting this source, would not be a diamond after all. I'm pretty sure we can find other sources telling us the opposite.

It would have to be opposite, only because diamonds grown in a lab are diamonds. Obviously, or they wouldn’t be called diamonds. I’m not the one who made that decision. Whoever the authority is over matters such as these deemed diamonds are stones mined from the Earth and now also created in laboratories. It’s really basically the same comparison as getting a suntan by sitting on the beach versus going to a UV-ray tanning booth. The resultant suntan is the same regardless of what method it was created. The cubic zirconia of suntans is a spray tan. A spray tan is not the same as a tan achieved via UV rays, whether those UV rays were provided by the sun or provided by a tanning booth.
 
Maybe you need to read the definition of high jewellery. For one it mentions rare materials. Nothing rare about lab diamonds. Unless you're going to try and explain that somehow they are exactly the same as natural diamonds.

It’s not up to me to explain anything. These are facts. I didn’t make these decisions about diamonds grown in labs versus diamonds mined from the Earth both, obviously, being diamonds. They cannot be called diamonds, regardless of the source, unless they’ve been determined to be diamonds.
 
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