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To all the dealers trashing Lab Diamonds

For me it is not. It's that fact that our earth is capable of forming something like that. It's not so much the time factor. It's rather the nature factor. Futhermore I am a museums professional. I like things with history. The older the better. So I prefer vintage jewellery compared to new jewellery. I love both but prefer the first.
 
Exactly! This is why they are correctly categorized as "synthetic" diamonds, per the definitions of the words synthesis and synthetic.

From the Cambridge Dictionary:

synthesis
noun
/ˈsɪn.θə.sɪs/ uk /ˈsɪn.θə.sɪs/
synthesis noun (CHEMICAL PRODUCTION)
[ U ] chemistry specialized
the production of a substance from simpler materials after a chemical reaction

synthetic

noun [ C ]
/sɪnˈθetɪk/ us
an artificial substance or material:
Man-made gem products are known as synthetics.

Might man-made gem products refer to something more along the lines of cubic zirconia? It seems GIA does not use the word synthetic to describe lab-created diamonds: “GIA has been grading laboratory-grown diamonds since 2007. Beginning July 1, 2019, GIA Laboratory-Grown Diamond Reports and identification reports no longer use the term “synthetic.” The GIA Laboratory-Grown Diamond Report includes the standard GIA color, clarity and cut…”
 
Whose bread I eat, his song I sing....

Early on there was big $$ behind the Synthetic Diamond business (they used to sell 80% of Nat Price) they lobbied FTC etc to allow the use of Lab Grown instead of Synthetic... Essentially they wanted to make the product more palatable and create a false equivalency between their manufactured product and real diamonds.... And then they pushed the pejorative "Mined" or Earth Grown nonsense.....
 
Whose bread I eat, his song I sing....

Early on there was big $$ behind the Synthetic Diamond business (they used to sell 80% of Nat Price) they lobbied FTC etc to allow the use of Lab Grown instead of Synthetic... Essentially they wanted to make the product more palatable and create a false equivalency between their manufactured product and real diamonds.... And then they pushed the pejorative "Mined" or Earth Grown nonsense.....

So I think you just said it that lab-created diamonds are not real diamonds. Thank you, Freddyboston for the clarification.
 
Might man-made gem products refer to something more along the lines of cubic zirconia? It seems GIA does not use the word synthetic to describe lab-created diamonds: “GIA has been grading laboratory-grown diamonds since 2007. Beginning July 1, 2019, GIA Laboratory-Grown Diamond Reports and identification reports no longer use the term “synthetic.” The GIA Laboratory-Grown Diamond Report includes the standard GIA color, clarity and cut…”

They do and did, prior to the FTC rules being put in place, forcing them to be referred to as "Lab Grown" instead of synthetic:

"Man-made gem products" is merely a loose identifier of origin.
The name of the gemstone itself will be the distinguishing identifier, examples:

Man-made Moissanite
Man-made Ruby
Man-made Emerald
Man-made Pearl
Man-made Diamond

...all of the above can and have been found as natural/earth grown (sorry, freddyboston but that term is great as a layperson's identifier or even a superlative definition for natural-only gemstone lovers, in my humble opinion).

Alas, I personally prefer the term "human grown", "lab grown", or "synthetic" to describe the origin of whatever gemstone is at the crux instead of "man-made".

Most people are familiar with the skewed "Hollywood definition" instead of the classic/scientific definition of the word "synthetic" which is why there is a stigma attached to the word, so I can understand the big push to get the FTC to formulate specific rules.
 
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I feel origin is much of the story... Origin should have been built into the definition of the word Diamond....

Like how a Meteorite and a man made blob of iron + nickle wouldn't be considered the same thing.
 
I feel origin is much of the story... Origin should have been built into the definition of the word Diamond....

Like how a Meteorite and a man made blob of iron + nickle wouldn't be considered the same thing.

Applying that same approach, what about naming all of the other gemstones that I mentioned in my most recent reply?
Example:
Natural Moissanite vs synthetic ___________?

 
Disruption. That’s an accurate way to describe what man made diamonds have caused to the jewelry business as a whole.
I’ve been on Pricescope many years.
I’m a vendor, that’s clear.
I’ll be 100% bluntly honest here… as great as the forum and moderation has been, there are times I wonder the motivation of members who are very vociferous.
I’m not making any accusations here. But the disruption I refer to is deep.
A number of sellers of each sort of diamond feel the need to trash the other. That’s my whole point of starting this thread.
Maybe someone so desperately trying to change hearts and minds was deeply affected by these sales pitches.
Or they just want to stir the pot

Interesting and thought provoking.

it’ll evolve to an echo chamber to one/a few persons way of thought.
More of a gallery than a forum.
Because the differing opinion of the two diamonds will be considered contentious. Maybe it’ll survive as being a gallery. Maybe it won’t.

Or the pot, after being stirred, will go back to what the pot naturally does. Evolve as it will without conforming to a certain way of thought. Maybe it’ll survive, maybe not.
 
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Call me a hopeless optimist….. but the fact so much brouhaha has been made is a good sign. People are interested
 
I feel origin is much of the story... Origin should have been built into the definition of the word Diamond....

Like how a Meteorite and a man made blob of iron + nickle wouldn't be considered the same thing.

Like a pallasite peridot vs a regular Earth made one.
 
I have all earth grown diamonds recovered through the trashing of the earth. I have now seen the horrendous pictures of the diamond pits and I also realize man created or synthetic diamonds have their ecological issues.

If I was younger, all of my diamonds would be synthetic or man-created or lab diamonds. I appreciate the absolute beauty of these stones, the ingenuity to create them and the price point. I am not affected by how they are labeled and would most likely share their origin immediately, I think they are amazing.

Labeling is an attempted control issue to elevate one's own status. How many unwitting consumers are wearing what others call "frozen spit" and yet they are earth grown diamonds? Should a pecking order be developed from that label...

I can appreciate that some only want an earth grown diamond and I can appreciate others choice of synthetic diamonds. Bottom line.. labeling is a waste of time, do what makes you happy. And if I ever obtain a lab diamond, anyone is welcome to call it a synthetic diamond, it shall not remove any of it's beauty and I'd wear it proudly.
 
If I was younger, all of my diamonds would be synthetic or man-created or lab diamonds. I appreciate the absolute beauty of these stones, the ingenuity to create them and the price point. I am not affected by how they are labeled and would most likely share their origin immediately, I think they are amazing.

My introduction to diamonds began with my engagement ring. My only other diamond at the time was a 0.33 (maybe?) ct pendant that I inherited from my grandmother. If I had gotten engaged at a time when LGD were easily available and cheap, I probably would have gone for lab, and Grandma’s diamond is probably the only colorless earth diamond I would own, for rock collecting purposes. I would probably have one FCD also for rock collecting purposes. The rest of my diamonds would be lab. I would probably have a couple of earth grown gemstones for the same reason… with cool optical properties like sphene, and a color-change gem, for the “isn’t it cool that this came out of the ground” effect. The rest of my colored gem collection would also probably be lab, like it is now.

The fact that I grew up in a time when there were no chemically identical alternatives to earth diamonds definitely affects my preference for earth grown, even though I also have lab diamonds. And the fact that I grew up in an environment where nobody cared about the difference between earth grown and lab grown colored gems probably explains why most of my colored gems collection is lab grown.

Labeling is an attempted control issue to elevate one's own status. How many unwitting consumers are wearing what others call "frozen spit" and yet they are earth grown diamonds? Should a pecking order be developed from that label...

This would be hilarious. First we have to establish the pecking order. A battle royale with contenders from the wonderfully wonky old cut club, the superideal fanatics, the lab grown posse, the strong blue fluoro mafia, the bad-cut-but-I-like-it group, the high and low color and clarity coalitions, the FCD marauders, the size-matters bunch (both the bigger-is-better party and the smaller-is-tasteful brigade), and (my team) the weird diamond cultists (adjective referent open to interpretation)..
 
A battle royale with contenders from the wonderfully wonky old cut club, the superideal fanatics, the lab grown posse, the strong blue fluoro mafia, the bad-cut-but-I-like-it group, the high and low color and clarity coalitions, the FCD marauders, the size-matters bunch (both the bigger-is-better party and the smaller-is-tasteful brigade), and (my team) the weird diamond cultists (adjective referent open to interpretation)..

Why am I envisioning the massive entanglement from Gangs of New York?
 
Lab diamonds make me a little sad... Did Anyone else ever read these books ?

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I'm thinking I should have.
 
Anybody care to venture a guess why my dark brown pink goes straight black sometimes? It’s the coolest effect. On another thread, we were hypothesizing that parts of the internal graining are at 90 degrees to each other so it is like polarized sunglasses.

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Fascinating!
 
LOL I have multiple rings with 4-5mm center stones :)



If somebody does, I will go over there and snark, too.



@glitterata your stone is cool.

Random diamond topic thread sounds fun.

Anybody care to venture a guess why my dark brown pink goes straight black sometimes? It’s the coolest effect. On another thread, we were hypothesizing that parts of the internal graining are at 90 degrees to each other so it is like polarized sunglasses.

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In the flurry of posts, I somehow missed this!!
Cool stone. Brown diamonds do get their color in a different manner than other colors. Especially deep brown diamonds.
Sometimes when you turn over a deep brown diamond it's practically colorless. The reason is that the color is caused by a "cloud" or opaque mass of color in the stone which can only be seen from the top.
 
In the flurry of posts, I somehow missed this!!
Cool stone. Brown diamonds do get their color in a different manner than other colors. Especially deep brown diamonds.
Sometimes when you turn over a deep brown diamond it's practically colorless. The reason is that the color is caused by a "cloud" or opaque mass of color in the stone which can only be seen from the top.

@Rockdiamond and @Texas Leaguer Thanks!

I wish I had taken a photo of it upside down before setting. I don’t recall it being near colorless but maybe its internal color blob is really big? It does have a light area near the edges.

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It also has a small clear part way down at the tip.

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The report doesn’t say anything about a blob but the diamond is SI2 so there has to be something inside.

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It has oodles of graining which IIRC that’s what causes the pink hue. And they seem to be perpendicular. That’s why our hypothesis was that the diamond kind of “polarizes” at certain angles.

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And it shifts color all over the place.
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@Rockdiamond and @Texas Leaguer Thanks!

I wish I had taken a photo of it upside down before setting. I don’t recall it being near colorless but maybe its internal color blob is really big? It does have a light area near the edges.

So beautiful! You must be thrilled to have such a unique diamond in your collection.

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It also has a small clear part way down at the tip.

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The report doesn’t say anything about a blob but the diamond is SI2 so there has to be something inside.

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It has oodles of graining which IIRC that’s what causes the pink hue. And they seem to be perpendicular. That’s why our hypothesis was that the diamond kind of “polarizes” at certain angles.

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And it shifts color all over the place.
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oncrutchesrightnow, I remember that ring and all those photos. It's spectacular and makes me severely and profoundly envious. SO cool. If they made this in a lab diamond, I woud buy it. But they don't.
 
oncrutchesrightnow, I remember that ring and all those photos. It's spectacular and makes me severely and profoundly envious. SO cool. If they made this in a lab diamond, I woud buy it. But they don't.

James Allen has some LGD in brown pink. If it looks interesting, take a chance. JA return policy is good.

Sorry for posting about LGD in RT but given the thread it seemed relevant to the discussion of what diamond properties are/are not exclusive to earth diamonds. Color is a good example because the consumer-facing websites I’m familiar with have usually had a limited color selection in LGD. Pink LGD used to be limited to orangey pink. Now we have purple pink and lately I have seen brown pink.

I do not know if brown-pink LGD were previously not technically achievable, or, maybe instead, they were achievable for a long time but the diamond industry preference for “no brown!!!!!” kept them out of consumer facing inventory until recently.

Whether lab or earth, I strongly recommend that people shopping for a pink diamond consider ones with brown modifiers. Not just for the lower price, but actually for the intriguing color.
 
That's gorgeous. And huge!
 
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