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So, do you have data to show how much they have taken out of the system?Ugh, you are so right! What a strain on the system
. I know why the Dems. wanted open borders, so please spare me the lesson.
Three Cheers For Nancy Pelosi!
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. I know why the Dems. wanted open borders, so please spare me the lesson.
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For the 2011-2013 period, the net cost to state and local budgets of first generation adults is, on average, about $1,600 each. In contrast, second and third-plus generation adults create a net positive of about $1,700 and $1,300 each, respectively, to state and local budgets. These estimates imply that the total annual fiscal impact of first generation adults and their dependents, averaged across 2011-13, is a cost of $57.4 billion, while second and third-plus generation adults create a benefit of $30.5 billion and $223.8 billion, respectively. The National Academy of Sciences report: “The Economic and Fiscal Consequences of Immigration
Who said the Dems want open borders? Believing that the wall is a costly and ineffective deterrent to illegal immigration is a far cry from saying "everyone just come on in and make yourselves at home".
Who said the Dems want open borders? Believing that the wall is a costly and ineffective deterrent to illegal immigration is a far cry from saying "everyone just come on in and make yourselves at home".
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Prove that they're liberals.
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Especially since most illegal immigrants FLY IN and never go home, aka, a wall would have no effect on them.
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Yes, yes, yes - thank you! I'm so tired of this "all Dems want open borders" nonsense. It's simply not true. It's only true for a very tiny group of fringe left-wing extremists. It's like saying that all Republicans want to gun down synagogues because a few right-wing extremist nuts do. Gah....
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@ame , Many of us have explained this to @Dancing Fire multiple times.
@Dancing Fire , I have never heard a Democrat say they were not for secure borders. We do not need a wall to secure our borders.
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Hey @Dancing Fire, if you really want to make a difference and help out, here's a link to a verified GoFundMe account which was organized by a Purple Heart recipient and triple amputee. If all 65 million who voted for Trump donated $80, yes a mere $80 each, you would have funding for the wall that's needed. There is a way for you to help the cause.. Put your money where your mouth is.
https://www.gofundme.com/thetrumpwa...UFbiEx6u5Jtn6NF2GVdKlHj4_WmWTTcoCxraxB26mer4A
https://www.gofundme.com/thetrumpwa...UFbiEx6u5Jtn6NF2GVdKlHj4_WmWTTcoCxraxB26mer4A
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If the HRC supporters donates $80 ea. we can built a higher wall.
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Eighty dollars is a small amount of money for the Trump supporters to get the wall of their dreams. Why haven’t they raised the money? The go fund me is set up and waiting for their donations.
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I hope she didn't forget to bring the pair of sunglasses to Hawaii.
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My crumbs will be gone now? ...
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Then why did they voted for the wall in 2006?
https://www.politifact.com/truth-o-...heck-did-top-democrats-vote-border-wall-2006/
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Then why did they voted for the wall in 2006?
https://www.politifact.com/truth-o-...heck-did-top-democrats-vote-border-wall-2006/
Do you even read what you post??? Your article explains the difference between a wall at issue now and the fence at issue in 2006 and the differences in context. The end even rates Mulvaney's claim as half true, as in not accurate.
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Posting someone else's opinion. Link to full article at end.
My primary source was a policy paper by the Cato Institute, a conservative, rightwing think tank, along with other conservative voices (listed at the end of the piece). Here’s why I’m against the wall, I wrote:
1. Walls don’t work. Illegal immigrants have tunneled underneath and/or erected ramps up and down walls to simply drive over them. People find a way. When East Germany erected its wall, it created a military zone, staffed by booted, machine-gun carrying guards ready to shoot to kill. Yet thousands managed to make it to West Germany anyway. More to the point, do we really want to model ourselves after communist East Germany?
2. Most illegal immigrants are “overstayers.” They come to the US legally — for vacations, business, to study, etc. — and then STAY past their visas. By 2012, overstayers accounted for 58% (THE MAJORITY!) of all unauthorized immigrants. A wall is meaningless here!
3. Walls have little impact on drugs being brought in to the US. According to the DEA, almost all drugs come in through legal points of entry, hidden in secret containers and/or among legit goods in tractor-trailers. A wall will have little to no impact on the influx of drugs into our country.
4. It’s environmentally impractical. Walls have a hard time making it through extreme weather. For example, in 2011, a flood in Arizona washed away 40 feet of STEEL fencing. Torrential rains and raging waters do serious damage. Also, conservative sources generally do not address the environmental harm that walls create, but there is plenty of documentation available that show its potential for irreparable damage to both plant and animal life.
5. A wall would forces the U.S. government to take land from private citizens in eminent domain battles. Private citizens own much of the land slated for the wall. The costs of the government snatching private land — and the legal battles that would ensue — are incalculable.
6. Border patrol agents don’t like concrete or steel walls because they block surveillance capabilities. In other words, they can’t mobilize correctly to meet challenges. So in many ways, a wall makes their job more difficult.
7. Border patrol agents say, “Walls are meaningless without agents and technology to back them up.” Are we prepared to pour countless billions annually — after the wall is built — to create a nearly 2,000 mile, militarized 24-hour surveillance border operation? Because according to patrol agents, that’s the only way a wall would work. Again, are we really, going to use East Germany, a brutal communist state, as our model here?
8. Where walls have been built, there was “no discernable impact on the influx of unauthorized aliens.” In other words, they came in elsewhere, primarily where natural barriers such as water or mountainous regions precluded a wall.
9. An unintended consequence is that a wall blocks farmworkers from EXITING when their invaluable seasonal work is done. Farmers are against the wall because it makes getting cheap seasonal labor almost impossible as few American citizens want or can even do those jobs. And if seasonal worker do get in, a wall makes it harder for them to leave! A wall traps migrant farm laborers in our country.
10. Trump’s $5 billion is a laughable drop in the bucket for what would ACTUALLY be needed. For example, according to the Cato Institute: An estimate for a border wall area that only covered 700 miles was originally 1.2 billion. How much did it REALLY cost? SEVEN BILLION. And that’s only for 700 miles. Whatever we think it’s going to cost, experience shows us we have to multiply it by more than 500%.
11. According to MIT engineers, the wall would cost $31.2 billion. Homeland Security estimates it at $22 billion. Given the pattern of spending mentioned in number 10 (plus Murphy’s Law), that means we’re really talking about pouring endless billions into something that doesn’t even work. And, of course, we taxpayers will be footing the bill, not Mexico. Given all the drawbacks, is that REALLY the best use of our taxes?
As the conservatives of the Cato Institute put it, “President Trump’s wall would be a mammoth expenditure that would have little impact on illegal immigration.” (Emphasis mine) Also it would create many “direct harms:” “the spending, the taxes, the eminent domain abuse, and the decrease in immigrant’s freedoms of movement.”
And, we must add, since conservative sources do not — that the environmental harms are likely to be severe.
In other words, the facts show that walls don’t work and they create even bigger, more expensive problems.
The ugly genius of Trump is his ability to manipulate deep, primal emotions — namely fear and hate. He, along with Fox News, have convinced his base that they are in “extreme danger” from immigrants and only a wall will make them “safe.”
Unfortunately, the need to “feel” safe is much stronger than the will to grapple with a complex, multi-faceted problem.
The Cato Institute: https://www.cato.org/publications/commentary/why-wall-wont-work
Former Reagan staffer and Tea-Party liaison: https://www.usnews.com/opinion/arti...ly-big-fence-would-be-a-futile-waste-of-money
Chicago Tribune (conservative paper): https://www.chicagotribune.com/news...p-wall-mexico-immigration-20180314-story.html
The National Review (conservative magazine): https://www.nationalreview.com/2016/04/donald-trump-border-wall-plan-ridiculous-guaranteed-failure/
Nonpartisan Migration Policy Institute (MPI) think tank: https://www.migrationpolicy.org/article/borders-and-walls-do-barriers-deter-unauthorized-migration
https://medium.com/@vickyalvearshec...LWH2qmgUcl60UqrevjlhQBfLS3YpVTSoFfKrwsmirgCuc
My primary source was a policy paper by the Cato Institute, a conservative, rightwing think tank, along with other conservative voices (listed at the end of the piece). Here’s why I’m against the wall, I wrote:
1. Walls don’t work. Illegal immigrants have tunneled underneath and/or erected ramps up and down walls to simply drive over them. People find a way. When East Germany erected its wall, it created a military zone, staffed by booted, machine-gun carrying guards ready to shoot to kill. Yet thousands managed to make it to West Germany anyway. More to the point, do we really want to model ourselves after communist East Germany?
2. Most illegal immigrants are “overstayers.” They come to the US legally — for vacations, business, to study, etc. — and then STAY past their visas. By 2012, overstayers accounted for 58% (THE MAJORITY!) of all unauthorized immigrants. A wall is meaningless here!
3. Walls have little impact on drugs being brought in to the US. According to the DEA, almost all drugs come in through legal points of entry, hidden in secret containers and/or among legit goods in tractor-trailers. A wall will have little to no impact on the influx of drugs into our country.
4. It’s environmentally impractical. Walls have a hard time making it through extreme weather. For example, in 2011, a flood in Arizona washed away 40 feet of STEEL fencing. Torrential rains and raging waters do serious damage. Also, conservative sources generally do not address the environmental harm that walls create, but there is plenty of documentation available that show its potential for irreparable damage to both plant and animal life.
5. A wall would forces the U.S. government to take land from private citizens in eminent domain battles. Private citizens own much of the land slated for the wall. The costs of the government snatching private land — and the legal battles that would ensue — are incalculable.
6. Border patrol agents don’t like concrete or steel walls because they block surveillance capabilities. In other words, they can’t mobilize correctly to meet challenges. So in many ways, a wall makes their job more difficult.
7. Border patrol agents say, “Walls are meaningless without agents and technology to back them up.” Are we prepared to pour countless billions annually — after the wall is built — to create a nearly 2,000 mile, militarized 24-hour surveillance border operation? Because according to patrol agents, that’s the only way a wall would work. Again, are we really, going to use East Germany, a brutal communist state, as our model here?
8. Where walls have been built, there was “no discernable impact on the influx of unauthorized aliens.” In other words, they came in elsewhere, primarily where natural barriers such as water or mountainous regions precluded a wall.
9. An unintended consequence is that a wall blocks farmworkers from EXITING when their invaluable seasonal work is done. Farmers are against the wall because it makes getting cheap seasonal labor almost impossible as few American citizens want or can even do those jobs. And if seasonal worker do get in, a wall makes it harder for them to leave! A wall traps migrant farm laborers in our country.
10. Trump’s $5 billion is a laughable drop in the bucket for what would ACTUALLY be needed. For example, according to the Cato Institute: An estimate for a border wall area that only covered 700 miles was originally 1.2 billion. How much did it REALLY cost? SEVEN BILLION. And that’s only for 700 miles. Whatever we think it’s going to cost, experience shows us we have to multiply it by more than 500%.
11. According to MIT engineers, the wall would cost $31.2 billion. Homeland Security estimates it at $22 billion. Given the pattern of spending mentioned in number 10 (plus Murphy’s Law), that means we’re really talking about pouring endless billions into something that doesn’t even work. And, of course, we taxpayers will be footing the bill, not Mexico. Given all the drawbacks, is that REALLY the best use of our taxes?
As the conservatives of the Cato Institute put it, “President Trump’s wall would be a mammoth expenditure that would have little impact on illegal immigration.” (Emphasis mine) Also it would create many “direct harms:” “the spending, the taxes, the eminent domain abuse, and the decrease in immigrant’s freedoms of movement.”
And, we must add, since conservative sources do not — that the environmental harms are likely to be severe.
In other words, the facts show that walls don’t work and they create even bigger, more expensive problems.
The ugly genius of Trump is his ability to manipulate deep, primal emotions — namely fear and hate. He, along with Fox News, have convinced his base that they are in “extreme danger” from immigrants and only a wall will make them “safe.”
Unfortunately, the need to “feel” safe is much stronger than the will to grapple with a complex, multi-faceted problem.
The Cato Institute: https://www.cato.org/publications/commentary/why-wall-wont-work
Former Reagan staffer and Tea-Party liaison: https://www.usnews.com/opinion/arti...ly-big-fence-would-be-a-futile-waste-of-money
Chicago Tribune (conservative paper): https://www.chicagotribune.com/news...p-wall-mexico-immigration-20180314-story.html
The National Review (conservative magazine): https://www.nationalreview.com/2016/04/donald-trump-border-wall-plan-ridiculous-guaranteed-failure/
Nonpartisan Migration Policy Institute (MPI) think tank: https://www.migrationpolicy.org/article/borders-and-walls-do-barriers-deter-unauthorized-migration
https://medium.com/@vickyalvearshec...LWH2qmgUcl60UqrevjlhQBfLS3YpVTSoFfKrwsmirgCuc
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Last night Pelosi and Schumer ate leftovers from Thanksgiving.
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Actually, they ate Trump's lunch.
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I saw that trump went to a meeting today , he thought it would be a good idea to grandstand by walking out.
It seems the idiot couldn't make it any easier for the dems to make him look worse if he tried!
Pelosi and Schumer apparently were gracious about his immature and abhorrent behavior and didn't even laugh when he couldn't make it through the negotiations.
It would seem he doesn't like people who use facts to base decisions on, so it would probably be best if Pelosi and Schumer just work with Mitch directly to send a veto proof bill to his desk.
Maybe he should have had some cameras come in so he could preen in front of the cameras live before bolting like a scared rabbit about to get caught in a stew. He could have yelled some of his nicknames at them and then screamed fake news as he walked away from the adults in the room.
Pelosi is doing a great job. I suspect once all his secret service and TSA and border employees have quit for new jobs in 6 months after no pay, he is going to wish he hadn't bet the farm on his negotiating skills as they are non existent.
It seems the idiot couldn't make it any easier for the dems to make him look worse if he tried!
Pelosi and Schumer apparently were gracious about his immature and abhorrent behavior and didn't even laugh when he couldn't make it through the negotiations.
It would seem he doesn't like people who use facts to base decisions on, so it would probably be best if Pelosi and Schumer just work with Mitch directly to send a veto proof bill to his desk.
Maybe he should have had some cameras come in so he could preen in front of the cameras live before bolting like a scared rabbit about to get caught in a stew. He could have yelled some of his nicknames at them and then screamed fake news as he walked away from the adults in the room.
Pelosi is doing a great job. I suspect once all his secret service and TSA and border employees have quit for new jobs in 6 months after no pay, he is going to wish he hadn't bet the farm on his negotiating skills as they are non existent.
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They ate a Democratic sandwich for lunch.
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Maureen Dowd wrote an excellent column about Nancy Pelosi, comparing her background with that of Donald Trump. It is excerpted here.
"WASHINGTON — Two men, sons of immigrants, rising to be the head of their own empires, powerful forces in their ethnic communities. Both dapper and mustachioed with commanding personalities. And both wielding a potent influence on the children who learned at their knees and followed them into the family businesses.
But here’s the difference: Big Tommy D’Alesandro Jr. taught little Nancy how to count. Fred Trump taught Donald, from the time he was a baby, that he didn’t have to count — or be accountable; Daddy’s money made him and buoyed him.
Fred, a dictatorial builder in Brooklyn and Queens from German stock, and Big Tommy, a charming Maryland congressman and mayor of Baltimore from Italian stock, are long gone. But their roles in shaping Donald and Nancy remain vivid, bleeding into our punishing, pressing national debate over immigration, a government shutdown and that inescapable and vexing Wall.
When Trump gave his Oval Office address, the framed photo of his dad was peering over his shoulder. In her House speaker’s office in the Capitol, Pelosi prominently displays a photo of herself at 7, holding the Bible as her father is sworn in as Baltimore mayor in 1947.
D’Alesandro was a loyal New Deal Democrat, just as Pelosi — the first daughter to follow her father into Congress — is a resolute liberal. She grew up in a house with portraits of F.D.R. and Truman.
Donald Trump spent most of his life as a political opportunist, learning from his dad that real estate developers must lubricate both sides of the aisle. Trump was once friendly with Pelosi, sending her a note in 2007 when she won the speaker job the first time — with a boost from his $20,000 donation to the party — calling her 'the best.' (Unlike with 'Cryin’ Chuck,' Trump has not gone for the jugular with a nasty nickname for Pelosi.)
In her memoir, Pelosi recalled that her Catholic parents 'raised me to be holy.' She told me, 'My mother and my father instilled in us, public service is a noble calling' and to 'never measure a person by how much money they had.'
A constant stream of strangers lined up at their house in Baltimore’s Little Italy, seeking food and help. One of Pelosi’s most arresting memories, she told CNN’s Dana Bash, was giving immigrants who came to the door advice on how to get into the projects or to the hospital.
Alexandra, Pelosi’s documentarian daughter, recounts this anecdote: Her son, Thomas — who was named after Big Tommy and who stood at the speaker’s side as she reclaimed her gavel — wanted an Xbox in 2017, so he set up a lemonade stand in Manhattan and raked in $1,000.
His grandmother sat him down and asked, 'That’s going to the victims of Hurricane Harvey, right?'
He set up the stand again the next year and was once more schooled by his grandmother asking, 'That’s going to the victims of the California wildfires, right?'
According to The Times’s blockbuster tax investigation, Fred lavished Donald with three trust funds and $10,000 Christmas checks. When Donald was 8, he was already a millionaire, thanks to his tax-scamming father. Fred Trump was hauled before a congressional panel investigating whether he had looted government money through fraud. (One congressman said the patriarch’s chicanery made him 'nauseous.')
By the time Donald was 27, he had fully absorbed Trump family values, a callous inversion of noblesse oblige: He and his father were getting sued by the Justice Department for refusing to rent to blacks. As Woody Guthrie, who lived in a Fred Trump complex near Coney Island, wrote in a song, 'I suppose/Old Man Trump knows/just how much/racial hate/he stirred up/in the bloodpot of human hearts.' Not quite the same as 'This Land Is Your Land.'
Over the years, Fred funneled tens of millions of dollars to clean up Donald’s messes. The father even gave the son $3.5 million in chips to save an Atlantic City casino. By the time he was in his 40s, Donnie’s allowance was more than $5 million annually. No wonder he’s still an infant.
When Trump said he could 'relate' to federal workers who are now going without pay, it may have been the most audacious lie he told all week. He may know what it’s like to go from bankruptcy to bankruptcy — though always with a paternal safety net — but he has no idea of what it’s like to live paycheck to paycheck, much less none at all.
As Pelosi told reporters: 'He thinks maybe they could just ask their father for more money. But they can’t' She also leveled the barb on Trump in person.
Pelosi deploys what she calls her 'mother of five' voice on our tantrum-prone president, perhaps in an effort to reparent him. But how do you discipline the world’s brattiest 72-year-old?"
https://www.nytimes.com/2019/01/12/opinion/sunday/dowd-nancy-pelosi-donald-trump.html
"WASHINGTON — Two men, sons of immigrants, rising to be the head of their own empires, powerful forces in their ethnic communities. Both dapper and mustachioed with commanding personalities. And both wielding a potent influence on the children who learned at their knees and followed them into the family businesses.
But here’s the difference: Big Tommy D’Alesandro Jr. taught little Nancy how to count. Fred Trump taught Donald, from the time he was a baby, that he didn’t have to count — or be accountable; Daddy’s money made him and buoyed him.
Fred, a dictatorial builder in Brooklyn and Queens from German stock, and Big Tommy, a charming Maryland congressman and mayor of Baltimore from Italian stock, are long gone. But their roles in shaping Donald and Nancy remain vivid, bleeding into our punishing, pressing national debate over immigration, a government shutdown and that inescapable and vexing Wall.
...
When Trump gave his Oval Office address, the framed photo of his dad was peering over his shoulder. In her House speaker’s office in the Capitol, Pelosi prominently displays a photo of herself at 7, holding the Bible as her father is sworn in as Baltimore mayor in 1947.
D’Alesandro was a loyal New Deal Democrat, just as Pelosi — the first daughter to follow her father into Congress — is a resolute liberal. She grew up in a house with portraits of F.D.R. and Truman.
Donald Trump spent most of his life as a political opportunist, learning from his dad that real estate developers must lubricate both sides of the aisle. Trump was once friendly with Pelosi, sending her a note in 2007 when she won the speaker job the first time — with a boost from his $20,000 donation to the party — calling her 'the best.' (Unlike with 'Cryin’ Chuck,' Trump has not gone for the jugular with a nasty nickname for Pelosi.)
In her memoir, Pelosi recalled that her Catholic parents 'raised me to be holy.' She told me, 'My mother and my father instilled in us, public service is a noble calling' and to 'never measure a person by how much money they had.'
A constant stream of strangers lined up at their house in Baltimore’s Little Italy, seeking food and help. One of Pelosi’s most arresting memories, she told CNN’s Dana Bash, was giving immigrants who came to the door advice on how to get into the projects or to the hospital.
Alexandra, Pelosi’s documentarian daughter, recounts this anecdote: Her son, Thomas — who was named after Big Tommy and who stood at the speaker’s side as she reclaimed her gavel — wanted an Xbox in 2017, so he set up a lemonade stand in Manhattan and raked in $1,000.
His grandmother sat him down and asked, 'That’s going to the victims of Hurricane Harvey, right?'
He set up the stand again the next year and was once more schooled by his grandmother asking, 'That’s going to the victims of the California wildfires, right?'
...
According to The Times’s blockbuster tax investigation, Fred lavished Donald with three trust funds and $10,000 Christmas checks. When Donald was 8, he was already a millionaire, thanks to his tax-scamming father. Fred Trump was hauled before a congressional panel investigating whether he had looted government money through fraud. (One congressman said the patriarch’s chicanery made him 'nauseous.')
By the time Donald was 27, he had fully absorbed Trump family values, a callous inversion of noblesse oblige: He and his father were getting sued by the Justice Department for refusing to rent to blacks. As Woody Guthrie, who lived in a Fred Trump complex near Coney Island, wrote in a song, 'I suppose/Old Man Trump knows/just how much/racial hate/he stirred up/in the bloodpot of human hearts.' Not quite the same as 'This Land Is Your Land.'
...
Over the years, Fred funneled tens of millions of dollars to clean up Donald’s messes. The father even gave the son $3.5 million in chips to save an Atlantic City casino. By the time he was in his 40s, Donnie’s allowance was more than $5 million annually. No wonder he’s still an infant.
When Trump said he could 'relate' to federal workers who are now going without pay, it may have been the most audacious lie he told all week. He may know what it’s like to go from bankruptcy to bankruptcy — though always with a paternal safety net — but he has no idea of what it’s like to live paycheck to paycheck, much less none at all.
As Pelosi told reporters: 'He thinks maybe they could just ask their father for more money. But they can’t' She also leveled the barb on Trump in person.
Pelosi deploys what she calls her 'mother of five' voice on our tantrum-prone president, perhaps in an effort to reparent him. But how do you discipline the world’s brattiest 72-year-old?"
https://www.nytimes.com/2019/01/12/opinion/sunday/dowd-nancy-pelosi-donald-trump.html
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No need to believe Trump. Pelosi and Schumer should have a long talk with Judd, but of course they don't wanna hear the truth.
https://www.star-telegram.com/news/state/texas/article224523370.html
https://www.star-telegram.com/news/state/texas/article224523370.html
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The dems. are too busy getting a sun tan. I guess is only fair since Pelosi got nice tan in Hawaii. 
https://insider.foxnews.com/2019/01/15/rob-schmitt-confronts-bob-menendez-puerto-rico-beach-photo
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@Dancing Fire , Trump has the power to end the government shutdown. Keep telling yourself this is a good look for a president and the Republicans. More than half the country do not want a wall. We are ALL for border security and want to keep our country safe.
For a President who claims to be concerned with our county’s security, it’s not a good move to not pay our TSA workers. Do I need to remind you how the majority of terrorists enter our country?
This president has no idea what working families go thru who live paycheck to paycheck. He makes it known that he doesn’t care by his actions.
He is using this shutdown as one of his many distractions while he tweets endlessly that he has done nothing wrong in his interactions with Russia.
Your hair would be on fire with anger if this man was Obama.
For a President who claims to be concerned with our county’s security, it’s not a good move to not pay our TSA workers. Do I need to remind you how the majority of terrorists enter our country?
This president has no idea what working families go thru who live paycheck to paycheck. He makes it known that he doesn’t care by his actions.
He is using this shutdown as one of his many distractions while he tweets endlessly that he has done nothing wrong in his interactions with Russia.
Your hair would be on fire with anger if this man was Obama.
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Go ask the border patrols of what they think about putting up the wall. They patrol the front line everyday risking their lives. If border patrols say "we don't need a wall" then tear down the wall.
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@Dancing Fire Do you really believe all border patrol want a wall? Please turn off Fox News.
Time to pull your head out of the sand. For the first time EVER our coast guard is not getting paid. Oh yeah, the president is really concerned about our country’s security.
Time to pull your head out of the sand. For the first time EVER our coast guard is not getting paid. Oh yeah, the president is really concerned about our country’s security.
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Border patrol
https://www.newsweek.com/border-patrol-union-wall-waste-money-1289329
https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2019/01/trump-nbpc/580237/
https://qz.com/1520651/border-patrol-agents-in-texas-showed-trump-why-his-wall-wont-work/
Where there is a will there is away.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/worl...-border/?noredirect=on&utm_term=.afdd83d69a1e
Actual immediate threats to national security
https://www.theatlantic.com/politic...-shutdown-threatens-national-security/580039/
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/c...oast-migrant-intercepts/ar-BBSfJIy?li=BBnbcA1 (also speaks to the inability of the costly wall to be an effective deterrent)
National security threat not wall related and even more alarming
https://www.newsweek.com/donald-tru...lear-and-present-danger-david-laufman-1291486
Trump reject republican attempts to reopen the government while the issue is being worked out
https://www.reviewjournal.com/news/...d-short-term-government-shutdown-fix-1573493/
And the viral facebook post by an actual structural and civil engineer explaining why the wall idea is not going to be a disaster
https://www.upworthy.com/an-actual-...b5x7Qq1i1VQog_Z8VnjOsFhzlIjnHPzXrAnknUsslXnJA
https://www.newsweek.com/border-patrol-union-wall-waste-money-1289329
https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2019/01/trump-nbpc/580237/
https://qz.com/1520651/border-patrol-agents-in-texas-showed-trump-why-his-wall-wont-work/
Where there is a will there is away.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/worl...-border/?noredirect=on&utm_term=.afdd83d69a1e
Actual immediate threats to national security
https://www.theatlantic.com/politic...-shutdown-threatens-national-security/580039/
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/c...oast-migrant-intercepts/ar-BBSfJIy?li=BBnbcA1 (also speaks to the inability of the costly wall to be an effective deterrent)
National security threat not wall related and even more alarming
https://www.newsweek.com/donald-tru...lear-and-present-danger-david-laufman-1291486
Trump reject republican attempts to reopen the government while the issue is being worked out
https://www.reviewjournal.com/news/...d-short-term-government-shutdown-fix-1573493/
And the viral facebook post by an actual structural and civil engineer explaining why the wall idea is not going to be a disaster
https://www.upworthy.com/an-actual-...b5x7Qq1i1VQog_Z8VnjOsFhzlIjnHPzXrAnknUsslXnJA
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