Thoughts on 4.34 EC-J

Emeraldsaremyfavorite · Jun 19, 2018

Thought I would start a new thread to get more viewers. Shulamit sent me this diamond today. She sent a video but it is not allowing me to attach it not even three seconds. So I did a couple screenshots, it looks white but it could just be a really good video. I am color sensitive, although I’m having a very hard time finding something in my price range in an I color or above. Any thoughts on this one being a J? Thanks in advance!

Emeraldsaremyfavorite · Jun 19, 2018

GIA report... inclusion is not bugging me from video, and it’s priced well!

whitewave · Jun 19, 2018

I need to see it moving

Emeraldsaremyfavorite · Jun 19, 2018

I have tried every which way to download the video, and it just won’t even let me get three seconds. Sometimes videos vendors send me work to attach and sometimes they don’t. Here is one Shulamit sent me from the office, it just looks too yellow here.

PintoBean · Jun 19, 2018

Emeraldsaremyfavorite said:
I have tried every which way to download the video, and it just won’t even let me get three seconds. Sometimes videos vendors send me work to attach and sometimes they don’t. Here is one Shulamit sent me from the office, it just looks too yellow here.

I know their office lighting. It makes everything yellow.

Are you in the US? Have them hold a credit card and send it over to look at with your own eyes. You need to reconcile your definition of white with Shulamit's.

Blingalingaling · Jun 19, 2018

Hi! What are your feelings having seen the video? What do you think? It's hard to judge the color from these photos, but I like the ratio. I noticed there's a knot under the table. I've heard mixed opinions regarding that location for that type of inclusion, but see what others say about it. I know you're less concerned about clarity than color. I concur with PintoBean that it's a good idea to have it sent to you if you're considering this stone seriously.

metall · Jun 19, 2018

Maybe it's just where you screencaptured the images, but this stone looks very dark to me. Personally for a EC I'd want to see more facets lighting up....But I am far far far from any type of expert.

Matthews1127 · Jun 19, 2018

metall said:
Maybe it's just where you screencaptured the images, but this stone looks very dark to me. Personally for a EC I'd want to see more facets lighting up....But I am far far far from any type of expert.

I concur, at least at that angle, it appears to be dead. You need to see this stone up close & personal to determine more than just color sensitivity. Clarity freak or not, the KNOT inclusion under the table is seriously a concern. Not to mention the lack of brightness, when resting.

Emeraldsaremyfavorite · Jun 19, 2018

@PintoBean I am in the US. But it would be a bankwire. So I would have to be pretty serious to get the money into our bank... much easier on a credit card than wire but steep discount for bank wire. So the video was great, can’t attach, but have a feeling they tend to look white. I sent Shulamit photos and videos of my old EC, an I, so she could see what “my white” looks like. I loved my I and had NO qualms about the color. Maybe it was closer to an H... not sure. My old EC is under one of my threads.

I’m not sure I can wrap my head around a J, it could be a mind thing for me. Shulamit said it was a strong J... not I, not K.

It meets EVERY criteria I’m looking for except color! Which is a big deal. @Blingalingaling the inclusion being visible or durability Problem??

Emeraldsaremyfavorite · Jun 19, 2018

Matthews1127 said:
I concur, at least at that angle, it appears to be dead. You need to see this stone up close & personal to determine more than just color sensitivity. Clarity freak or not, the KNOT inclusion under the table is seriously a concern. Not to mention the lack of brightness, when resting.

Durability of a knot in a diamond?

Matthews1127 · Jun 19, 2018

Emeraldsaremyfavorite said:
Durability of a knot in a diamond?

Yes, and questionable integrity breech. Just make sure the knot doesn’t effect the integrity of the stone. As long as you can live with it, and it will not ultimately destroy the diamond, then I think it’s safe. However, you have to be 100% certain you can live with a strong J.

Emeraldsaremyfavorite · Jun 19, 2018

Matthews1127 said:
Yes, and questionable integrity breech. Just make sure the knot doesn’t effect the integrity of the stone. As long as you can live with it, and it will not ultimately destroy the diamond, then I think it’s safe. However, you have to be 100% certain you can live with a strong J.

Oh gosh! My gut says to pass

Matthews1127 · Jun 19, 2018

Emeraldsaremyfavorite said:
Oh gosh! My gut says to pass

Does it have to be a modern cut EC?

Emeraldsaremyfavorite · Jun 19, 2018

Let’s see if this works. @PintoBean... yep. Do not like vintage.

cflutist · Jun 19, 2018

With you being color sensitive I would wait and save up more, or go down in size and get an "H" color.

Matthews1127 · Jun 19, 2018

Emeraldsaremyfavorite said:
Let’s see if this works. @PintoBean... yep. Do not like vintage.

So glad this worked!! Difficult to examine an emerald cut diamond while it’s resting on it’s pavilion 3 facet.
To my eyes the center seems to be very flat and does not flash as much as I would expect it to.
What do you think?

Emeraldsaremyfavorite · Jun 19, 2018

@cflutist you might be right. Not an H as I could never get the size but probably need to hold strong on an I.

Emeraldsaremyfavorite · Jun 19, 2018

@Matthews1127 thanks so much for your help! I really don’t think I’m super picky on EC cuts. As long as they are bright and not black in the middle I am ok. Who knows... my last one could have been just ok but I loved it! It is the color that has me completely boggled. But I can’t afford what I want!!!

Matthews1127 · Jun 19, 2018

Emeraldsaremyfavorite said:
@cflutist you might be right. Not an H as I could never get the size but probably need to hold strong on an I.

I agree. For a purchase of this magnitude, you need to be 100% tickled pink with it.

Emeraldsaremyfavorite · Jun 19, 2018

But let me ask all who have seen the video... what do you think of the color? Or is this type of video making it look whiter?

Matthews1127 · Jun 19, 2018

Emeraldsaremyfavorite said:
@Matthews1127 thanks so much for your help! I really don’t think I’m super picky on EC cuts. As long as they are bright and not black in the middle I am ok. Who knows... my last one could have been just ok but I loved it! It is the color that has me completely boggled. But I can’t afford what I want!!!

I believe that if you give yourself a little more time, and you are able to put aside a little bit more for what you really want, you'll find it!!
It’s good that you know what you want because that’s half the battle!! A modern cut EC with no less then I color!!
Your diamond has got to be out there, somewhere!!

Matthews1127 · Jun 19, 2018

Emeraldsaremyfavorite said:
But let me ask all who have seen the video... what do you think of the color? Or is this type of video making it look whiter?

It’s difficult to tell because of the lighting situation and the background. Step cuts reflect & absorb all of the color around them, so it may not be as white as it appears in the video.

Emeraldsaremyfavorite · Jun 19, 2018

Ok... last couple questions: what should I ask from Shulamit on the inclusion, color and performance? She said “the stone is very lively and not dead at all, the color doesn’t bother her and she doesn’t think it will bother me, and the inclusion is white and not noticeable.” I feel like when I pass she might give up on me

again... bank wiring is it not a cinch as I don’t have the cash just sitting in my bank.

OoohShiny · Jun 19, 2018

It is hard to buy stones remotely, even harder to find good ECs, so I appreciate your pain!

What is the return policy on this stone?

I don't LOVE it in the video - but then it's hard to know if it's shot in uplit, diffused office lighting, which would remove a lot of flash and sparkle.

For me, I'm not sure the ends are doing enough work - the central 'stripe' is, but that means that it might dominate the look of the stone. It is hard to find stones that have a balance across all four sides!

(In my limited experience based solely on internet videos, of course!)

PintoBean · Jun 19, 2018

Emeraldsaremyfavorite said:
@PintoBean I am in the US. But it would be a bankwire. So I would have to be pretty serious to get the money into our bank... much easier on a credit card than wire but steep discount for bank wire. So the video was great, can’t attach, but have a feeling they tend to look white. I sent Shulamit photos and videos of my old EC, an I, so she could see what “my white” looks like. I loved my I and had NO qualms about the color. Maybe it was closer to an H... not sure. My old EC is under one of my threads.

I’m not sure I can wrap my head around a J, it could be a mind thing for me. Shulamit said it was a strong J... not I, not K.

It meets EVERY criteria I’m looking for except color! Which is a big deal. @Blingalingaling the inclusion being visible or durability Problem??

No what I'm saying is give them a credit card to hold bc I doubt they'd send you a diamond for you to run off with it. How you pay in the long run for the purchase is another matter.

Emeraldsaremyfavorite · Jun 19, 2018

@PintoBean What I would like to do is have it sent to me through a credit card for safety, if I love it have them refund me and bank wire the money to them. But I don’t know if there is an additional charge for that. Believe it or not, I had an over 4ct sent to me, and FedEx just dropped it off on the front door. It was their fault, but I would’ve been held liable. Everything worked out but I was so glad I had my credit card. And I returned the ugly stone!

PintoBean · Jun 19, 2018

Emeraldsaremyfavorite said:
@PintoBean What I would like to do is have it sent to me through a credit card for safety, if I love it have them refund me and bank wire the money to them. But I don’t know if there is an additional charge for that. Believe it or not, I had an over 4ct sent to me, and FedEx just dropped it off on the front door. It was their fault, but I would’ve been held liable. Everything worked out but I was so glad I had my credit card. And I returned the ugly stone!

I believe They can hold the credit card andnot charge you. Please talk to them to clarify. Also, have the package held at FedEx for you to pick up.

OoohShiny · Jun 20, 2018

@Emeraldsaremyfavorite

I'm sorry, I can't remember your size range or budget range!

I shall post some that caught my eye anyway, though

Blingalingaling · Jun 20, 2018

Hi, @Emeraldsaremyfavorite! I just saw your video and read your thread. I'm sorry I didn't see it to respond sooner!
So, my comment about the knot was mainly referring to durability, because I would think that with a stone of VS2 clarity, it would not be very visible since it's most likely a white inclusion. But the first clarity note is "crystal". If it's in close proximity to the knot, that could affect the visibility of both inclusions, I would think, but I am not sure where the clarity-determining crystal is. Maybe you can tell me?
What I've heard about knots is that, if the stone were to be hit in such a way the knot could dislodge, creating a cavity and you wouldn't want a cavity on the table of your EC because dirt can get in and be impossible to get out. On the other hand, a tiny knot might be a fine inclusion if it's positioned in a place where it would not pose any kind of structural hazard. So, that's why I questioned the knot in this stone.
In terms of the video, I think it's next to impossible to see the true color of the stone because, at least on my monitor, the background looks to be lavender, which I think might be obscuring the color. Was this video taken by IDJ?
When I worked with IDJ, Shulamit took short videos with her phone and sent them to me. Can you ask her to do the same for you? I agree that the lighting in their offices are not the most flattering to the stones, but I was able to see the color when she held two stones up to compare them. Ask her to film this stone next to an I or a whiter stone for comparison and see if that helps you. She also sent me still photos of three stones, an I, a J and my L side by side for comparison. Mind you, I had seen the I and the J in person prior to that in the office, so I already had a feel for those two stones, but I hadn't seen the L yet. I definitely think it was worthwhile seeing the photos, even though they all looked better in person.
It's a very difficult task, choosing a stone from a distance, I understand completely. I also agree that the payment and shipping aspects are daunting. Don't worry about hurting anyone's feelings or them "giving up" on you. Everyone wants to make a sale. You're serious and they know it.

Blingalingaling · Jun 20, 2018

I also meant to say that the knot might never pose a threat to the integrity of the stone durability-wise. I just wanted to bring it to your attention, not to deter you! That's a question for an expert, so I would strongly suggest that if you do have the stone sent to you to see it in person and if you love it and are thinking of keeping it, that you should take it to an independent appraiser for an expert's opinion.

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