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Niel

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Chrono|1475690761|4083902 said:
MB21|1475690585|4083899 said:
probably not, but isnt that a mixed light situation? You might encounter that indoors during the day sometimes but outside it would appear blue/green and inside at night or with little natural light it would look purple/red
If that is the case, you are probably best to stick with a non-colour changer. We are in mixed lighting most of the time, even if we are unaware of it. Alexandrites are notorious for looking muddy most of the time due to the light conditions unless it is a very fine stone and those cost $$$$$.

That was exactly what I was going to say.
 

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Ok. If Alexandrite wont do, are there any other stones that fit my criteria above?
 

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MB21|1475692187|4083905 said:
Ok. If Alexandrite wont do, are there any other stones that fit my criteria above?

Blue spinel or vanadium chrysoberyl.
Also an unheated blue sapphire is rare enough out of the ground lately.

Also I was thinking maybe a fancy colored diamond might due but the only thing that might suit you in your budget might be grey but I'm not sure how you'd feel about grey
 

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Niel|1475692469|4083906 said:
MB21|1475692187|4083905 said:
Ok. If Alexandrite wont do, are there any other stones that fit my criteria above?

Blue spinel or vanadium chrysoberyl.
Also an unheated blue sapphire is rare enough out of the ground lately.

Also I was thinking maybe a fancy colored diamond might due but the only thing that might suit you in your budget might be grey but I'm not sure how you'd feel about grey

From doing some research id prefer the chrysobyrl. Though a quick search hasnt yielded much. Only one i could find was 50k....
 

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MB21|1475693480|4083908 said:
Niel|1475692469|4083906 said:
MB21|1475692187|4083905 said:
Ok. If Alexandrite wont do, are there any other stones that fit my criteria above?

Blue spinel or vanadium chrysoberyl.
Also an unheated blue sapphire is rare enough out of the ground lately.

Also I was thinking maybe a fancy colored diamond might due but the only thing that might suit you in your budget might be grey but I'm not sure how you'd feel about grey

From doing some research id prefer the chrysobyrl. Though a quick search hasnt yielded much. Only one i could find was 50k....

Oh yes that one haha.
It's rare. You're not going to find one off a quick Google search sadly. You'll need to reach out to a lot of vendors see if anyone has one. You you probably benefit from going to a gem show as well
 

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Niel|1475694678|4083917 said:
It's rare. You're not going to find one off a quick Google search sadly. You'll need to reach out to a lot of vendors see if anyone has one. You you probably benefit from going to a gem show as well
Yup, you wanted rare and yes, it is rare. It's going to take a long time to find one that you like and is within budget.
 

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Perhaps you can broaden your definition of rare a bit? It just seems that if you use the strict definition of rare coming out of earth, and hard enough to wear often, then you will almost certainly be limited to high priced stones. What about rare in that it exactly matches your soon-to-be-betrothed's eye color, or rare because its the color of the ocean you saw when you were vacationing together once, or that it once belonged to your great grandmother? As Niel said, blue sapphires with no treatment - that is, the way they came out of the ground - are sufficiently rare to command much higher prices than other sapphires. Color change, or more often, color shift stones are uncommon as well. Vanadium chrysos would be great, but they are ridiculously expensive with many people lining up to procure one when they pop up from time to time.

There are pros and cons to just about every option, but given your budget, you might want to think about what you are willing to compromise on. I hope this doesn't sound too negative, just don't want you to become frustrated by chasing down rabbit holes that won't lead you anywhere.

Also, a clarification on alex: true highly saturated alex with strong color change are truly stunning. When many of us say they can appear muddy, we don't literally mean they turn mud brown as in the two colorways mixed together. Instead, what we mean is that in mixed light, you will see both colorways as the different lighting types hit it, so at any one time, you may see flashes of the purple and flashes of teal, that kinda blend together but kinda don't, almost like a mystic topaz, if that makes sense? What we are trying to say though, is that there won't be a clear delineation where half the time you will see all green/teal and half the time you will see burgundy/purple.

Hope that helps.
 

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minousbijoux|1475700125|4083945 said:
Perhaps you can broaden your definition of rare a bit? It just seems that if you use the strict definition of rare coming out of earth, and hard enough to wear often, then you will almost certainly be limited to high priced stones. What about rare in that it exactly matches your soon-to-be-betrothed's eye color, or rare because its the color of the ocean you saw when you were vacationing together once, or that it once belonged to your great grandmother? As Niel said, blue sapphires with no treatment - that is, the way they came out of the ground - are sufficiently rare to command much higher prices than other sapphires. Color change, or more often, color shift stones are uncommon as well. Vanadium chrysos would be great, but they are ridiculously expensive with many people lining up to procure one when they pop up from time to time.

There are pros and cons to just about every option, but given your budget, you might want to think about what you are willing to compromise on. I hope this doesn't sound too negative, just don't want you to become frustrated by chasing down rabbit holes that won't lead you anywhere.

Also, a clarification on alex: true highly saturated alex with strong color change are truly stunning. When many of us say they can appear muddy, we don't literally mean they turn mud brown as in the two colorways mixed together. Instead, what we mean is that in mixed light, you will see both colorways as the different lighting types hit it, so at any one time, you may see flashes of the purple and flashes of teal, that kinda blend together but kinda don't, almost like a mystic topaz, if that makes sense? What we are trying to say though, is that there won't be a clear delineation where half the time you will see all green/teal and half the time you will see burgundy/purple.

Hope that helps.

Thanks for the help. I might go the sapphire route.

Any recommendations on trusted vendors or dealers I could go to for a untreated or color change/shift sapphire?
 

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Here are a few links. All are trusted sellers in US. Check the return policy but you should be able to buy to see it and return with 10 days or so


Here is a green sapphire. An unusual color.
http://gemfix.com/gems/sapphire-fancy-1247-radiant-style-cut-2-08cts

Unheated color shift sapphire.
https://www.etsy.com/listing/236493...earch_query=Sapphire&ref=shop_items_search_23

Another color shift sapphire
http://www.finewatergems.com/store/p46/1.28_ct_Blue/Purple_Color-change_Sapphire.html


Color shift spinel
http://gemrite.com/home/180-blue-cc-spinel-264-cts.html?search_query=Spinel&results=30
 

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Is "the natural sapphire company" a place I can trust. I think I will go with an untreated blue sapphire.
 

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MB21|1475715310|4084022 said:
Is "the natural sapphire company" a place I can trust. I think I will go with an untreated blue sapphire.
You can trust them but you'll overpay for it and often from rings I've seen the color leaves some to be designed
 

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Niel|1475716230|4084023 said:
MB21|1475715310|4084022 said:
Is "the natural sapphire company" a place I can trust. I think I will go with an untreated blue sapphire.
You can trust them but you'll overpay for it and often from rings I've seen the color leaves some to be designed

Any suggestions for me then on where I should look?
 

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Niel|1475716230|4084023 said:
MB21|1475715310|4084022 said:
Is "the natural sapphire company" a place I can trust. I think I will go with an untreated blue sapphire.
You can trust them but you'll overpay for it and often from rings I've seen the color leaves some to be designed

Also, I was looking at loose stones, not rings.
 

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MB21|1475716808|4084026 said:
Niel|1475716230|4084023 said:
MB21|1475715310|4084022 said:
Is "the natural sapphire company" a place I can trust. I think I will go with an untreated blue sapphire.
You can trust them but you'll overpay for it and often from rings I've seen the color leaves some to be designed

Also, I was looking at loose stones, not rings.

Sorry my phone auto corrects a lot. I dont think NSC has a lot of stones that are really noteworthy in color. That's what I meant.

What you should be looking for is face up size, with a certificate to show its unheated, in a well cut attractive shape.

What color do you want. Can you post a picture of the ideal color your after.
 

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Hi, I love Alexandrites and have a little one myself. However with Alexandrites I think you need to view them in person. I have like 30 photos of my little Alexandrite and it is a different colour in every photo. It is from pink to purple to purple red then gray then blue, then green, then deeper blue green depending on the light. And it has quite a few inclusions, all part of the charm. img_2300_0.jpg img_2304_0.jpg
 

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There's a really stunning round blue sapphire st gemfix in your budget but it's heated. Drats. Ill look more tomorrow but tell me, is this the color you're after?
http://gemfix.com/gems/sapphire-blue-1271-2

I asked but I'm not sure i heard. What's the budget for the setting?
 

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This looks like a nice price on an unheated 6.1mm round (the list price is in ASD, so convert to USD). It might be getting a bit dark, so get more pics if its on interest:
http://www.genuineaussiegems.com.au/product/1-21ct-blue-sapphire-6-1mm/

Here's a lighter 6.2mm round, thats also more expensive and has a little color shift:
http://www.earthstreasury.com/product/1-19-carat-cornflower-blue-umba-sapphire/

6.6 round that is pushing the budget a bit (again with some color shift)
http://www.earthstreasury.com/product/1-44-carat-royal-blue-to-blue-violet-umba-sapphire/

As a wildcard, i LOVE this blue-green color, though its heated and perhaps too $$:
http://www.earthstreasury.com/product/1-77-carat-deep-blue-green-montana-sapphire/
 

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Bron357|1475722646|4084046 said:
Hi, I love Alexandrites and have a little one myself. However with Alexandrites I think you need to view them in person. I have like 30 photos of my little Alexandrite and it is a different colour in every photo. It is from pink to purple to purple red then gray then blue, then green, then deeper blue green depending on the light.

I have to +1 this. My engagement ring is a purple oval sapphire with alexandrite halo. It is a really fun ring,fairly conventional in shape but unusual with regard to color. Granted, I picked it myself, but it's still something I'm a bit smug about when I see others with diamond rings. The only thing I don't like about it is that it doesn't photograph well, daylight/LED/fluorescent/incandescent/BLACK LIGHT all change the color. A photograph cannot capture the color, at all, not because you cannot see the change, but because the color is washed out or grey-looking. It is something you have to see in person (I still find myself checking my ring to determine what kind of lighting I'm in, it's fun!)

https://www.etsy.com/listing/245312321/oval-white-gold-sunflower-ring-with?ref=shop_home_active_13

[URL='https://www.pricescope.com/community/threads/show-me-your-yvonne-raley-and-cecile-raley-designs.219561/page-2#top-post']https://www.pricescope.com/community/threads/show-me-your-yvonne-raley-and-cecile-raley-designs.219561/page-2#top-post[/URL]

[URL='https://www.pricescope.com/community/threads/show-me-your-yvonne-raley-and-cecile-raley-designs.219561/page-4#post-4050695#p4050695']https://www.pricescope.com/community/threads/show-me-your-yvonne-raley-and-cecile-raley-designs.219561/page-4#post-4050695#p4050695[/URL]
 

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Probably a long shot but this has been for sale for some time I'd offer something in your budget ( make sue you know the return policy) you could then unset it in s setting you like.
Look at this on eBay http://www.ebay.com/itm/291246225551
 

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MB21|1475759217|4084102 said:
Niel|1475723823|4084049 said:
There's a really stunning round blue sapphire st gemfix in your budget but it's heated. Drats. Ill look more tomorrow but tell me, is this the color you're after?
http://gemfix.com/gems/sapphire-blue-1271-2

I asked but I'm not sure i heard. What's the budget for the setting?

That color would be great. Im willing to spend 1000-2000 on the stone and 1000-1500 on the setting.
 

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MB21|1475759217|4084102 said:
Niel|1475723823|4084049 said:
There's a really stunning round blue sapphire st gemfix in your budget but it's heated. Drats. Ill look more tomorrow but tell me, is this the color you're after?
http://gemfix.com/gems/sapphire-blue-1271-2

I asked but I'm not sure i heard. What's the budget for the setting?

That color would be great.

Now this color is hard enough to find even heated, would you consider it? Or we definitely want that color, but unheated
 

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Niel|1475759366|4084106 said:
MB21|1475759217|4084102 said:
Niel|1475723823|4084049 said:
There's a really stunning round blue sapphire st gemfix in your budget but it's heated. Drats. Ill look more tomorrow but tell me, is this the color you're after?
http://gemfix.com/gems/sapphire-blue-1271-2

I asked but I'm not sure i heard. What's the budget for the setting?

That color would be great.

Now this color is hard enough to find even heated, would you consider it? Or we definitely want that color, but unheated

i want to stay unheated, i am willing to stray from perfect color to get that. Im still considering alexandrite too. If i can find a quality stone for under 2k i would be tempted by that as well. Though it seems much harder to come by in that price range, and of course would be much smaller.
 

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Niel|1475771865|4084184 said:
how about this lady. Ask for more photos particularly in natural lighting but this is the best ive seen so far

http://www.pearlmansjewelers.com/gemstones/?type=&shape=&color=&minct=&maxct=&min=&max=&sku=5221+&page=1#

As for settings would you use second hand? Platinum with diamonds can get pricey for 2k

Thanks for the help, that is a beautiful stone. i sent in a request for the natural lighting and also up close pictures. Is there anyway to know for sure the cert that comes with it is for that stone?
 

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MB21|1475777152|4084220 said:
Niel|1475771865|4084184 said:
how about this lady. Ask for more photos particularly in natural lighting but this is the best ive seen so far

http://www.pearlmansjewelers.com/gemstones/?type=&shape=&color=&minct=&maxct=&min=&max=&sku=5221+&page=1#

As for settings would you use second hand? Platinum with diamonds can get pricey for 2k

Thanks for the help, that is a beautiful stone. i sent in a request for the natural lighting and also up close pictures. Is there anyway to know for sure the cert that comes with it is for that stone?

That site also had some nice alexandrite stones i requested more on.
 

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MB21|1475777152|4084220 said:
Niel|1475771865|4084184 said:
how about this lady. Ask for more photos particularly in natural lighting but this is the best ive seen so far

http://www.pearlmansjewelers.com/gemstones/?type=&shape=&color=&minct=&maxct=&min=&max=&sku=5221+&page=1#

As for settings would you use second hand? Platinum with diamonds can get pricey for 2k

Thanks for the help, that is a beautiful stone. i sent in a request for the natural lighting and also up close pictures. Is there anyway to know for sure the cert that comes with it is for that stone?
Gia can do laser inscription on sapphire's though cards on the table I don't know id that's standard. If it does though it would match the gia number.
 
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