Old fashioned and proud of it!

[TravelingGal]

In what ways are you "old fashioned" and think it''s not a bad thing?

- I still think it is proper for a man to pay on a first date
- I prefer it if young children address their elders as "Mr" or "Miss/Mrs/Ms". Or if they children of close friends as "Auntie or Uncle so and so." It freaks me out when young kids address me by my first name without some kind of title. (It took me YEARS to call my american friends'' parents by their first name, and for the most part, unless they insist, I still don''t.)
- I prefer to see no facial piercing and (gasp) still prefer one ear hole in each ear (that makes me crazy old fashioned, right?

)
- I like it when children eat at the table.

I''ve got more, but I''d rather toss the question out to you all!

 

[lliang_chi]

Eating dinner together as a family (a rare occasion nowadays)
Men should stand up from when a woman enters or leaves
Clothes that don''t show all of a woman''s who-who''s. (I''m probably using that phrase in correctly, but I remember nearly fainting during Gypsy''s prom dress threads)

TG, I agree with the titles thing, but respectfully disagree with the first date thing.

The brat list:
Men should take care of the car maintenance (only because I hate doing it)
And I like my FI to take care of the dinner bill etc because then I can use the cute little purses that don''t fit my wallet.

 

[mrssalvo]

Men holding doors open and opening the car door first when we get in. I don''t expect him to come around and let me out. my mom actually still sits in the car and my dad walks around and opens the door to let her out. I will raise my son to hold doors for me and his big sisters.

Calling any adult Miss___ or Mr.____

saying ma''am and sir

dressing nicely when going to church despite jeans/tees being totally acceptable.

i make my girls wear little shorts under their dresses b/c I know they will be running around, climbing upside down etc. and I want them to be modest.

we do family dinners at the table almost every night and I require my kids to stay seated until everyone is done and then they help clear the table.

 

[doodle]

I''m totally old-school about table manners, and it bothers me how often I see people eating things with their fingers that should require a fork, etc. I''m anal on this one though--I even eat pizza with a fork. I also can''t stand the super-shaggy haircuts on boys. If you want it to have some length on it, fine, but if you have to constantly sling your head around to get your hair out of your eyes enough so that you can see where you''re going, CUT IT. Fashion should not impede your ability to safely make it through a door frame! I think "yeah" is an incredibly disrespectful and far too often used form of address by children/teens to adults. I was also raised that cleavage before sundown is inappropriate, and while I realize that it''s fashionable today and happens all the time, I always picture my grandmother''s reaction and wind up putting a tank under anything with décolleté! And my last one, which I admit is positively goofy but it''s habit--when walking on stairs, the woman goes first if they''re going up, and the man goes first if you''re going down the flight so that if the woman falls (which is more likely considering that we are more likely to be wearing heels or a long dress than a man is, haha), the man can keep her from falling all the way down the stairs. I''m not even funny about this one because of tradition so much as just plain old habit because I once dated a guy who was fanatical about this for some reason!

 

[jet2ks]

I open doors for women.

Had one date in college that lectured me when I opened a door for her. It was the first and last date with her. I still don''t understand why she thought it was a bad thing.

 

[princesss]

Hmmmm...let''s see.

- Ma''am and sir are not words to be afraid of. They should be used. (Reason #17 I like being in the South: They''re used frequently. And children address me as "Miss princesss." I like it!)

- I think having the man pay is nice. To me it shows intention and interest. But then, I probably have internalized traditional gender roles more than I''d like to admit. Ideally, I''d like the choice to stay at home. Realistically, I''d go nuts and I don''t mind being the breadwinner. But sometimes I think about a life like that, and I sigh a little sigh and wish for it.

- I don''t believe in living together indefinitely. I think it can delay important steps in the relationship, and keep people in bad relationships longer than they should be. I think living together is fine (and obvioiusly every couple should do what''s right for them and not what''s right for me), but my BF knows that there''s a strict time limit. 1 year. If, after a year of living together, we are not engaged, I''ll take that as my hint that things aren''t working. But it also means that I won''t move in with him unless we''re both actively moving towards engagement.

 

[onedrop]

- I definitely agree with children calling adults Mr.___ or Miss ______. Or if more familiar, Auntie or Uncle

- Writing thank you notes when you receive a gift like a (graduation, wedding, etc.).

- Men should remove their hats indoors or when the anthem is being played

- Children should say "excuse me" if they are interrupting their parents talking with another adult

- When I was dating, my parents always made sure that the guy came to the door and didn''t just honk the horn for me to come out. When I moved out on my own and was dating, I kept that rule.

- I also think that younger people should let older or physically challenged folks have their seats on crowded trains/buses or in crowded rooms.

I could go on....

 

[monarch64]

I still can''t get behind the use of cell phones in restaurants/other public places where the idea is to relax or be entertained. Drives me batty, and I find myself doing it sometimes.

 

[LadyBlue]

Men holding doors open and opening the car door first when we get in.
Only piercing on the ears.
I do not like tattoos.
The guy should offer to paid on dates.
Walking the girl to the door, car, bus, etc.
Not living together unless you are engaged.

 

[Italiahaircolor]

Please and thank you are a must in my book

Men holding the door open for women...nothing melts my heart more than when a little boys holds the door open for grown women.

Children in general minding their elders...no back-talk or sass...understanding that even if a child thinks an adult is wrong, it still boils down to respecting your elders.

I''m over the whole Mr. & Mrs. thing...my name is Ashley, my husband is Mark...you can simply call us that. I like to keep my relationships with people, even children, friendly and upbeat and informal...esspecially children I know very well, like my neice and nephews friends. To me, calling me Mrs. P is too stuffy.

 

[TravelingGal]

Date: 4/23/2009 2:59:57 PM
Author: onedrop
- I definitely agree with children calling adults Mr.___ or Miss ______. Or if more familiar, Auntie or Uncle

- Writing thank you notes when you receive a gift like a (graduation, wedding, etc.).

- Men should remove their hats indoors or when the anthem is being played

- Children should say ''excuse me'' if they are interrupting their parents talking with another adult

- When I was dating, my parents always made sure that the guy came to the door and didn''t just honk the horn for me to come out. When I moved out on my own and was dating, I kept that rule.

- I also think that younger people should let older or physically challenged folks have their seats on crowded trains/buses or in crowded rooms.

I could go on....

I was going to mention that one, but figured someone else might. This one BLOWS MY MIND. I can''t stand it when an eldery woman gets on a shuttle where it''s standing room only and young men AND women just have their a$$es planted in their seats.

TGuy sealed the deal for me when we were on a very crowded bus with a pretty long ride back to our destination and he immediately got up and offered the seat to an older woman. Boy, the smile he got from her! I actually offered my seat to her husband but he refused.

 

[NewEnglandLady]

Until somewhat recently, I did not think I had any old-fashioned ideals. I always felt that women should pay half, never rely on anybody for anything and strive for fierce independence. As I become more mature and secure, I'm starting to find myself becoming more old-fashioned without losing any independence, but gaining a lot of happiness

-I believe in doting on your husband--a man will return the love ten-fold
-I believe in children fearing their parents
-I believe the title of Mr./Mrs. for a child's elders is respectful
-I don't believe in buying any joint assets before marriage
-I believe in children working for an allowance
-I don't believe in credit
-I believe that family really does come first and am genuinely happy to give up a career I love the moment my husband and I have a child

I find it strange that as I get older I get more old-fashioned, but I wish I hadn't waited so long

ETA: I agree about giving up seats for the elderly. I used to commute via public transportation with my husband and he is very sensitive to giving up his seat to the elderly or disabled. One day he gave up his seat for an elderly woman and she said "Honey, your husband is a real gentleman". She's right and it's something I really respect.

 

[Black Jade]

I will get killed on Pricescope probably, for brining this up but a BIG way I am old-fashioned is that I don''t think it works to live together before marriage.

I see all the time on these forums and in other cases, young ladies who have been ''dating'' men for five or six years and by ''dating'' they mean living with them. And then they are trying to figure out how to get the guy to propose. Sometimes he does, sometimes he doesn''t. It just seems to me though that all the cards in his favor in this situation. He has everything already, not just sex, but housekeeping AND half the household bills paid a lot of the time--why SHOULD he change anything? While she''s the one who wants the security and all the rest, and she can''t get it and she''s in a lose-lose situation--if she asks him about it, she''s nagging, if she doesn''t ask him, he doesn''t think about changing the situation, because of course it''s fine with him!

And then, if he IS going to propose, she feels the need to have some over the top proposal. To me, it was romantic when my boyfriend asked for my father for permission (he knew my father was going to say yes, but he thought it was respectful to ask after all my father did for me, and I did too) and then just asked a simple question. But from what I read on these forums, it''s not a satisfactory proposal unless you fly to Paris and ask on the top of the Eiffel tower, or take her on a deep-sea dive or something like that. The girls are all unhappy with their proposals, not romantic enough. And the basic problem is that they already know the guy WAY too well. How is a guy going to be romantic when you clean the sink after he shaves every morning and hear him snore every night? It''s all fake romance at that point, and that what''s the brides are feeling. They are picking out their own rings in advance, paying for it with the shared money and then letting the guy hide the ring and ''surprise'' them to be romantic. And then they''re surprised that they don''t feel like its real romance. Only because it''s NOT.

I just think there was something special about being courted, with the guy feeling that you might be unattainable and were very desirable, and worth his going to some trouble for--if not actually slaying dragons. And that he couldn''t get everything there was to get by the third date and then have you move in and vaccuum his floors and cook and plus go out to work, too. And that everything wasn''t all stale between the two of you long long long before the wedding night. Not to speak of that half the time the girls seems really angry at all men by the time they''re 21 because they''ve had a bunch of failed relationships that they shouldn''t have been allowed to have. Because that''s not true sexual freedom. Having been used by all and sundry, people you don''t even know, much less care about, so that you''re all jaded at an age when girls didn''t even used to know what life was all about yet.

It''s not that long ago that thing were very different--only a generation. And I wish that that they would change back.

 

[onedrop]

Date: 4/23/2009 3:10:37 PM
Author: TravelingGal

Date: 4/23/2009 2:59:57 PM
Author: onedrop
- I definitely agree with children calling adults Mr.___ or Miss ______. Or if more familiar, Auntie or Uncle

- Writing thank you notes when you receive a gift like a (graduation, wedding, etc.).

- Men should remove their hats indoors or when the anthem is being played

- Children should say 'excuse me' if they are interrupting their parents talking with another adult

- When I was dating, my parents always made sure that the guy came to the door and didn't just honk the horn for me to come out. When I moved out on my own and was dating, I kept that rule.

- I also think that younger people should let older or physically challenged folks have their seats on crowded trains/buses or in crowded rooms.

I could go on....

I was going to mention that one, but figured someone else might. This one BLOWS MY MIND. I can't stand it when an eldery woman gets on a shuttle where it's standing room only and young men AND women just have their a$$es planted in their seats.

TGuy sealed the deal for me when we were on a very crowded bus with a pretty long ride back to our destination and he immediately got up and offered the seat to an older woman. Boy, the smile he got from her! I actually offered my seat to her husband but he refused.

TG: I once saw a mother tell her child that he should have KEPT his seat when some older adults told him to move for an elderly gentleman. I was completely taken aback. That scenario is a clear example of how kids grow up to be adults that don't know any better. The parents don't instill respectful behavior.

ETA: TGuy would have been a keeper in my book also had I witnessed what he did.

I just love men with good manners.

 

[TravelingGal]

Date: 4/23/2009 3:11:33 PM
Author: NewEnglandLady
Until somewhat recently, I did not think I had any old-fashioned ideals. I always felt that women should pay half, never rely on anybody for anything and strive for fierce independence. As I become more mature and secure, I''m starting to find myself becoming more old-fashioned without losing any independence, but gaining a lot of happiness

-I believe in doting on your husband--a man will return the love ten-fold
-I believe in children fearing their parents
-I believe the title of Mr./Mrs. for a child''s elders is respectful
-I don''t believe in buying any joint assets before marriage
-I believe in children working for an allowance
-I don''t believe in credit
-I believe that family really does come first and am genuinely happy to give up a career I love the moment my husband and I have a child

I find it strange that as I get older I get more old-fashioned, but I wish I hadn''t waited so long

How funny, I agree with most of those (except for credit, I use it but it gets paid off every month, so maybe I''m not talking about the same kind of credit you are).

As for you finding it strange...well, I chalk it up to the fact that as I get older, I turn into my mother...it''s scary and true.

 

[TravelingGal]

Date: 4/23/2009 3:14:40 PM
Author: onedrop

Date: 4/23/2009 3:10:37 PM
Author: TravelingGal

Date: 4/23/2009 2:59:57 PM
Author: onedrop
- I definitely agree with children calling adults Mr.___ or Miss ______. Or if more familiar, Auntie or Uncle

- Writing thank you notes when you receive a gift like a (graduation, wedding, etc.).

- Men should remove their hats indoors or when the anthem is being played

- Children should say ''excuse me'' if they are interrupting their parents talking with another adult

- When I was dating, my parents always made sure that the guy came to the door and didn''t just honk the horn for me to come out. When I moved out on my own and was dating, I kept that rule.

- I also think that younger people should let older or physically challenged folks have their seats on crowded trains/buses or in crowded rooms.

I could go on....

I was going to mention that one, but figured someone else might. This one BLOWS MY MIND. I can''t stand it when an eldery woman gets on a shuttle where it''s standing room only and young men AND women just have their a$$es planted in their seats.

TGuy sealed the deal for me when we were on a very crowded bus with a pretty long ride back to our destination and he immediately got up and offered the seat to an older woman. Boy, the smile he got from her! I actually offered my seat to her husband but he refused.

TG: I once saw a mother tell her child that he should have KEPT his seat when some older adults told him to move for an elderly gentleman. I was completely taken aback. That scenario is a clear example of how kids grow up to be adults that don''t know any better. The parents don''t instill respectful behavior.

ETA: TGuy would have been a keeper in my book also had I witnessed what he did.

I just love men with good manners.

That''s sad. I love older people. Living treasures and should be treated with the utmost respect and kindness.

 

[Camille]

I adore my kids/DH when they wait for me [seating last] to start eating.
I make my kids write thank you notes rather than email friends/family for gifts.
Respect feith by dressing properly and take younger kids to the crying room to respect others in prayer.
At home No one is allowed to make noises when someone is on the phone, inc pets.
Spaghetti w/fork ok but w/meatballs spoon+fork.
Can't stand people showing me their undies, boys/girls I honestly don't care.
Going out w/man means he's paying, getting pretty is expensive, that's why I never dated a boy.
Hapily married but, I don't recall calling a guy first.
My mother used to say: If you want a husband? don't live w/him until you have the ring on, too much to loose hon.

Ditto all, specially monarch, went grocery shopping this morning, while waiting on line the 'young' lady in front of me was speaking on the phone while paying, the ignored clerk says 'have a great day' than: excuse me ma'm 'I think I overcharged you' .....the kid knew she left the receipt behind, has no idea what the clerk is talking about, comes back rolling her eyes, still talking on the phone and says 'NOW WHAT'?

she did take the $2.15 back, did she say thank you? NO~ she walked away talking on the phone.
MY KIDS aren't getting phones anytime soon.

 

[lliang_chi]

Doodle, I love the stairs thing! I don''t think FI does that but it''s a good point. Good thing I''m adept @ wearing high heels

I''m not big on the door holding unless the doors are really heavy. In some of the old buildings in Chicago, swear to G*d, the doors weigh like 10 lbs. That and the winter wind blowing it closed on you, it takes some doing to get the door open. A good friend of mine used to always open the heavy doors and start revolving doors for me.

My question to the general public: what''s the etiquette about where the guys sits in cabs? I say the woman should always go in last because we have skirts & heels etc and it''s way annoying to scoot across the seat in a skirt upon entering & exiting. Thoughts???

Also I agree with Princess, I love the well-mannered-ness of the South.

 

[Haven]

The lady in my pinup tattoo is primly sitting with her legs crossed at the ankle, not the knee.

Other than that, I'm not old fashioned at all.

 

[MichelleCarmen]

Even after marrying, I still like it when the man pays for everything.

Re: Being called Mrs., all of my friends' kids call me by my first name, even when I'm volunteering in their classrooms. The other kids in both classes call me Mrs. MC. Some even just call me XXXXX's mom. I don't even care.

 

[bee*]

Date: 4/23/2009 3:16:39 PM
Author: TravelingGal

Date: 4/23/2009 3:11:33 PM

Author: NewEnglandLady

Until somewhat recently, I did not think I had any old-fashioned ideals. I always felt that women should pay half, never rely on anybody for anything and strive for fierce independence. As I become more mature and secure, I''m starting to find myself becoming more old-fashioned without losing any independence, but gaining a lot of happiness


-I believe in doting on your husband--a man will return the love ten-fold

-I believe in children fearing their parents

-I believe the title of Mr./Mrs. for a child''s elders is respectful

-I don''t believe in buying any joint assets before marriage

-I believe in children working for an allowance

-I don''t believe in credit

-I believe that family really does come first and am genuinely happy to give up a career I love the moment my husband and I have a child


I find it strange that as I get older I get more old-fashioned, but I wish I hadn''t waited so long

How funny, I agree with most of those (except for credit, I use it but it gets paid off every month, so maybe I''m not talking about the same kind of credit you are).


As for you finding it strange...well, I chalk it up to the fact that as I get older, I turn into my mother...it''s scary and true.

lol! I can see that happen with me too. I agree with all of them NEL apart from the credit one too. I also wouldn''t move in permanently with D until we got engaged. I just didn''t want to uproot everything without a serious commitment.

 

[luvthemstrawberries]

Date: 4/23/2009 2:42:11 PM
Author: mrssalvo
Men holding doors open and opening the car door first when we get in. I don''t expect him to come around and let me out. my mom actually still sits in the car and my dad walks around and opens the door to let her out. I will raise my son to hold doors for me and his big sisters.

Calling any adult Miss___ or Mr.____

saying ma''am and sir

dressing nicely when going to church despite jeans/tees being totally acceptable.

i make my girls wear little shorts under their dresses b/c I know they will be running around, climbing upside down etc. and I want them to be modest.

we do family dinners at the table almost every night and I require my kids to stay seated until everyone is done and then they help clear the table.

Ditto to absolutely everything here!

 

[Rhea]

- Proper table manners for everybody! You are provided with a knife and fork, please use both.
- Families should make an effort to eat together, at the table, on a regular basis.
- No mobile phones in crowded public places - trains, buses, restaurants, lobbys of building.

Other than those, I don''t mind much. I wouldn''t consider myself old fashioned.

 

[luvthemstrawberries]

Date: 4/23/2009 3:18:30 PM
Author: TravelingGal

Date: 4/23/2009 3:14:40 PM
Author: onedrop

Date: 4/23/2009 3:10:37 PM
Author: TravelingGal

Date: 4/23/2009 2:59:57 PM
Author: onedrop
- I definitely agree with children calling adults Mr.___ or Miss ______. Or if more familiar, Auntie or Uncle

- Writing thank you notes when you receive a gift like a (graduation, wedding, etc.).

- Men should remove their hats indoors or when the anthem is being played

- Children should say ''excuse me'' if they are interrupting their parents talking with another adult

- When I was dating, my parents always made sure that the guy came to the door and didn''t just honk the horn for me to come out. When I moved out on my own and was dating, I kept that rule.

- I also think that younger people should let older or physically challenged folks have their seats on crowded trains/buses or in crowded rooms.

I could go on....

I was going to mention that one, but figured someone else might. This one BLOWS MY MIND. I can''t stand it when an eldery woman gets on a shuttle where it''s standing room only and young men AND women just have their a$$es planted in their seats.

TGuy sealed the deal for me when we were on a very crowded bus with a pretty long ride back to our destination and he immediately got up and offered the seat to an older woman. Boy, the smile he got from her! I actually offered my seat to her husband but he refused.

TG: I once saw a mother tell her child that he should have KEPT his seat when some older adults told him to move for an elderly gentleman. I was completely taken aback. That scenario is a clear example of how kids grow up to be adults that don''t know any better. The parents don''t instill respectful behavior.

ETA: TGuy would have been a keeper in my book also had I witnessed what he did.

I just love men with good manners.

That''s sad. I love older people. Living treasures and should be treated with the utmost respect and kindness.

So true. They have so much knowledge and deserve so much respect from us. Tgal - give Tguy a pat on the back for me, that''s awesome that he''s so nice and well-mannered. My FI once sat and waited for me in WalMart while I ran to the back to grab something - he sat on the bench at the front of the store. When I got done, he was just sitting there smiling. He said an older man had come and sat down next to him. They struck up a conversation and ended up talking for 5 or so minutes about nothing and everything, until the man''s wife came. That made me smile so much.

 

[luvthemstrawberries]

I''m in the South too, but sadly, the "kind" and "welcoming" ways are disappearing, especially in the younger generation. Between lax parents not teaching their kids any respect, cell phones, and rude people in general, I get downright aggravated many times in public now. People have no regard for anyone other than themselves. Folks in the mall let their kids run rampant and get all in your way. Many sales associates now are not even taught proper manners in dealing with customers - hardly any talking, and you''re lucky if they''re not talking on their own phone while checking you out. Stupid kids acting like punks in their cars or on bikes and skateboards all over the place with complete disregard for the general public and safety in general. (NOTE: I don''t mind bikes or skateboards at all - folks just need to use manners when they''re around other people.) I''ve even noticed that a lot of people won''t even make room for you on a sidewalk anymore. If I''m walking towards a crowd, half the time I''ll almost plow into someone because a group 3 people wide doesn''t have enough courtesy to make room for 1 person approaching to pass.

Haha, I guess what I''m saying is that I''ve very old fashioned just about good will towards people and having a general respect for all those around you - that''s how I was raised - and it''s very disheartening to see that all that is slipping away into a "me, me, me" society with complete disregard for everybody else.

 

[Kaleigh]

Doesn''t apply so much now, as kids use cell phones. But when the kids were little and they wanted to call a friend, I always had them address the Mom ( if she answers the phone ) and Say Hi Mrs Smith, This is Ashley **** May I speak with Sarah please? And wanted their friends to do the same. But that hardly ever happened. I got yeah, is Ash there??

Please and thank you are Musts.
Opening the door is a must
Kids need to call me Mrs ********
The older kids who are now 21 and have known their whole lives can call me Lisa, no biggie there.


Eating together as a family was rule numero uno. In the dining room..

I don''t care for gum chewing. It was a big no no in my house growing up, but then again Mom must have thought she was the Queen of England.

But some how, I still feel guilty if I have a piece of gum. Go figure...

Fun thread, TGal!!!!

 

[meresal]

Mssalvo, agreed, I believe that Sunday morning activities are meant for dresses, slacks, and suits.

I don''t plan on letting my kids drink in front of me, until they are of age. Just like my parents did. I''m not supposed to be thier best friend, and I don''t really want to be... where''s the respect?

Tgal, I am definitely turning into my mother as well. And I see my dad in my FI more and more everyday...

 

[fuzzers]

I''m pretty young to be so old-fashioned, but I can''t help it. Raised that way.

I generally don''t believe in living together before engagement or marriage. I believe women often get the short end of the stick in that deal. Notice my use of "generally" and "often". Don''t hate me.

I''m pretty old-fashioned when it comes to raising kids. I''m very much for spanking. I would get one when I talked back to my parents, and believe it or not... I quickly stopped talking back to my parents. Big shocker! They were pretty stern, and once I grew up I respected them all the more for it.

Not a fan of giving young children iPods and cell phones, even TVs. This seems to be a growing trend...

My folks are paying my way through school (and someday, for my wedding), and I will do the same for my kids. I feel it''s my duty. That''s just the way we are.

Nice to see some people are old-fashioned too. I feel pretty "out there" sometimes! lol

 

[rainwood]

I agree with a number of these, and here are a few others of mine:

- Acknowledging with a smile or a wave when another driver pulls over to let me by or so I can cross the street
- I think everyone should know how to cook and do laundry - at least for themselves
- Not talking during a movie or other performance, not even during the previews and staying until the end of the credits
- Reading books in paper form - no Kindle for me!
- Stopping to help people who need it, whether it''s reaching something on a tall shelf in a grocery store or giving them directions if they seem lost
- Saying hello or good morning to people out on their daily walk, particularly if they''re elderly

 

[HollyS]

Am I old-fashioned? Is the Pope Catholic?

1) All men, unless under 10 or over 80, should either open doors for women or let them through first.

2) If a guy makes a date, he should pay. If two people are just ''getting to know each other'', dutch treat is fine.

3) Children should always address an adult by a Miss, Mrs, or Mr. unless assured by the adult in question that it is okay not to do so.

4) There is business dress, there is casual dress, and there are ''church'' clothes. Casual has nothing whatsoever to do with corporate business dress or church/temple attire. The same applies to weddings and funerals. Simple attire is not the same as "I''ve just mowed my lawn before Sunday School." Sometimes you have to dress for the event, not your comfort. It''s part of being a grownup.

5) And further attire no-nos: Flip flops, ugly tees, and wrinkly-ass cargo shorts do not make any man attractive. And I hate seeing a guy dressed this way for dinner out with a girlfriend that took some effort to be attractive.

6) Children need schedules. The reason some child is having a hissy at a restaurant is because of their need to be in bed for the night, after a nutritious dinner (not scraps from mom''s plate).

I''m sure I can think of more . . .