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As a vendor who's been here for along time- I very much appreciate the ability to hear what consumers- and prosumers are saying. It would be a shame ( for me and the other responsive tradespeople) to be closed out of discussions like this.
Thank you to you all for allowing us in
Of course, I'm also very interested in how this is going.
Strange days indeed.
I wouldn’t put too much stock into the idea that the post on PS is responsible for alerting JA to the oversight that allowed certificates to be viewed.
Oh, I'm totally with you @the_mother_thing
The big guys are getting way too big- not only in the diamond biz.....
I think that this is a place where the whales and minnows mingle
As a minnow- swimming with the other small fish who do work with the goal of adding value for all the readers, I'm just glad we have this opportunity.
Like anything else, good comes with bad.
Oh, I'm totally with you @the_mother_thing
The big guys are getting way too big- not only in the diamond biz.....
I think that this is a place where the whales and minnows mingle
As a minnow- swimming with the other small fish who do work with the goal of adding value for all the readers, I'm just glad we have this opportunity.
Like anything else, good comes with bad.
I can attest to missing dumb sh*t like this all the timeI am not too sure about this yssie, maybe you're right- but as a "layman", whodathunk it?
I mean, when the change was made, the folks writing the code must have been smart enough in the tech area to know that it was possible to get the info back door.....
But again, these are strange days.....
Awwww- make my day. Thank you so much. I do have to add....Just to let you know, David, I stalk your eBay listings all the time. I love that you have items there. It makes it so easy.
I’m one of the customers who hates talking to people lol.
I have searched diamonds in JA websites recently for myself. Also notice the change that no certs are being provided like before. However, in the first time chat with a girls, she was happy to give me 8 certs by GIA what i requested. I didn't like those ones because the proportions were not good enough to me.
The second search is just today, I chatted with a man and requested 4 certs of AGS 3.0 for RB. He instantly advised me to choose the cheapest one as all of them were similar. Again I said I wanted to compare and I personally like the most expensive one which looks more balancing in H&A. He still refused to provide.
Don't know what is happening to JA or the sale staff himself. I am definitely turning to WF or BG. HPD is a bit pricey for me!
@YoungPapa - please see the description of @TUTU's experience. Here you had a motivated and interested customer who wanted to compare stones. She had to request multiple certs to get the information she needed to make an informed choice - enough of a pain in the ass all on it's own, and there's absolutely no way a person can do any kind of a comprehensive search of your inventory that way if you're not going to at least provide ALL the dimensions, including crown and pavilion angles! - and on her second try, got a rep trying to push her to purchase without adequate info based on his say-so that they were "similar" and avoiding giving her the info she requested. He then continued to refuse to provide her the info! That is the type of service one expects from a local gyp-joint used car salesman, for crying out loud! It's just frankly disgusting.
Unfortunately, JA is one of the few places that consistently has light brown stones and/or lower colored stones w slight brown. I was window shopping yesterday and attempting to understand relative sizes (face up) between different cuts. JA no longer even gives you basic info that is needed for that. They give L*W, but no height. No depth, no table size. What the actual F. I had to request 5 certs from a rep. I got them, as separate emails. Which is a huge pain when trying to compare. So so so frustrating.
I mean, take some time to really look around you and see what people are wearing on their fingers.
The vast majority, like 95+% especially in the majority nonaffluent areas, will be small maul store specials in janky settings.
(BTW, “gyp” is pejorative)
Ah - I did not realize that - my bad. Is there any way to edit a post at this point so I can remove that?
If you don’t mind hunting, and don’t want to pay a premium, there are other sites (Blue Nile, B2C, etc).I have searched diamonds in JA websites recently for myself. Also notice the change that no certs are being provided like before. However, in the first time chat with a girls, she was happy to give me 8 certs by GIA what i requested. I didn't like those ones because the proportions were not good enough to me.
The second search is just today, I chatted with a man and requested 4 certs of AGS 3.0 for RB. He instantly advised me to choose the cheapest one as all of them were similar. Again I said I wanted to compare and I personally like the most expensive one which looks more balancing in H&A. He still refused to provide.
Don't know what is happening to JA or the sale staff himself. I am definitely turning to WF or BG. HPD is a bit pricey for me!
It's a real boost for cutters producing marginal stones that just squeak by as GIA Excellent grade stones. But the consumer loses. They get the bottom of the barrel as far as GIA Excellent cut grade, but the price they pay doesn't reflect that.
If you don’t mind hunting, and don’t want to pay a premium, there are other sites (Blue Nile, B2C, etc).
They give L*W, but no height. No depth, no table size.
There is a way to see the table and depth without requesting certificates. (for now anyway)
On my laptop, if I right click somewhere on the page and press “Inspect”, it brings up a section that will include the table and depth of the stone. It might be different depending on your browser, under developer tools maybe? I have a MacBook Pro with Chrome so YMMV. Go down the page a bit and it will be under the section that starts with: <div itemscope itemtype=http://schema.org/Product>
This may help a little bit in weeding stones out before requesting certificates on them.
I wish I could figure out how to do it on my iPhone though.