Need help with engagment diamond(Exchanging for better cut)

[Reneli]

You're very welcome.

It's not a Direct Diamonds is it? If so, we have a local one and they are pretty decent. Me and the manager talk shop when I take my wife's BGD super ideal in there for routine cleaning. He found me intriguing I went AGS000 instead of GIA XXX and bought online vs in person.

I was just thankful that's the only odd things he noticed about me, lol.

Seriously though, not sure the chain, but be careful. As @lovedogs noted, some of the chains try to slip in EGL or IGI certified stones, which isn't a comparable stone -- at least in the US because both those labs are inferior in their grading reliability.

Can you weigh in on the diamond I posted sledge?

 

[diamondseeker2006]

Oops, sorry I just went back and saw the GIA report. I also copied and pasted wrong measurements.

It should be:
able: 54-57
Depth: 60-62.4
Crown: 34-35 (can be up to 35.5 with a pavilion angle of 40.6)
Pavillion: 40.6-40.9

That stone had a 41 crown angle, and that is on the risky side because it is above 40.9. It is giving you a very good on scintillation. It should be excellent. Please stay within the numbers above. I wouldn't accept this one.

 

[Reneli]

Man... The Sellers is saying they currently only have one diamond available that meets my criteria
if thats my only option would it be a horrible choice?

 

[sledge]

I'm not crazy about the proportions but yes they could work. In fact some like the 34/41 combo. The problem is the pavilion is risky.

In reality you have 8 crown and 8 pavilion values. Bit when you look at a report you just see one. This is because GIA averages the actuals and then rounds the crown to the nearest 0.5 and the pavilion to the nearest 0.2.

My concern is you get a 41.2 actual which is where wonky things happen. It's very possible and the reason I warn against it.

To be considered I'd want a SARIN report that provides detailed data about all actual measurements. Also I'd want an ASET and hearts image.

On a different note, why can't you just get a refund? If they are holding your money hostage call your credit card company and ask them to reverse the charges and return the merchandise, assuming you haven't already.

 

[lovedogs]

This option isn't a bad one, but it shows how few high quality stones they have, and that's just silly. Did you sign anythjng agreeing that it was a final sale? There's typically a return policy at RB that it's awful.

 

[Reneli]

I'm not crazy about the proportions but yes they could work. In fact some like the 34/41 combo. The problem is the pavilion is risky.

In reality you have 8 crown and 8 pavilion values. Bit when you look at a report you just see one. This is because GIA averages the actuals and then rounds the crown to the nearest 0.5 and the pavilion to the nearest 0.2.

My concern is you get a 41.2 actual which is where wonky things happen. It's very possible and the reason I warn against it.

To be considered I'd want a SARIN report that provides detailed data about all actual measurements. Also I'd want an ASET and hearts image.

On a different note, why can't you just get a refund? If they are holding your money hostage call your credit card company and ask them to reverse the charges and return the merchandise, assuming you haven't already.

Damn! unfortunately I signed paperwork that said final sale on the original diamond i thought i was getting a good stone. there were two transactions my 1,000 deposit and then the remaning balance so i would esentiall have to get two charges reversed.

 

[Reneli]

This option isn't a bad one, but it shows how few high quality stones they have, and that's just silly. Did you sign anythjng agreeing that it was a final sale? There's typically a return policy at RB that it's awful.

Unfortunately, I did sign a no return because I negotiated them down on the diamond by a significant amount. What's the difference between a traditional GIA report and a Dossier report?

 

[Reneli]

Ahhhhh! Im in a tough spot

 

[sledge]

Unfortunately, I did sign a no return because I negotiated them down on the diamond by a significant amount. What's the difference between a traditional GIA report and a Dossier report?

They may have you locked in, but I'd just ask to speak with the manager. Calmly explain the situation, and how you were more than willing to work with them to get a different diamond; however, you have been told that is not possible as this 34/41 is the only option available, which also isn't acceptable.

If they set the prior stone in a setting, I'd offer to pay them a few hundred bucks for their efforts but otherwise just let them know you aren't happy, they can't provide a diamond that will make you happy and you want them to refund you (regardless of what you signed, etc) because it's the right thing to do.

For your other question -- a dossier is just a more condensed report that does NOT have a clarity plot included. More details here:

https://www.gia.edu/gem-lab-service/diamond-grading

Example - dossier

Example - full report

 

[Reneli]

What do you guys think of this one?
https://www.adiamor.com/Diamonds/0....Cut-Round-Diamond/D43267490?&refer=pricescope

The proportions are in ideal range and scored a 1.3 on the HCA
It has medium blue fluorescence will that effect anything?

 

[Reneli]

or this one
https://www.b2cjewels.com/dd/131106...m_medium=referral&utm_campaign=pricescope.com
The proportions are in ideal range and scored a 1.6 on the HCA

 

[lovedogs]

Definitely the adiamor one. The b2c one doesn't have #s in the recommended ranges.

 

[Wewechew]

Also what is fluorescence? And how does that play into everything?

Some of us even prefer stones with fluoresce

 

[Wewechew]

What do you guys think of this one?
https://www.adiamor.com/Diamonds/0....Cut-Round-Diamond/D43267490?&refer=pricescope

The proportions are in ideal range and scored a 1.3 on the HCA
It has medium blue fluorescence will that effect anything?

I like this one.

 

[Reneli]

Definitely the adiamor one. The b2c one doesn't have #s in the recommended ranges.

Definitely the adiamor one. The b2c one doesn't have #s in the recommended ranges.

Lovedogs! I was hoping ypu would respond. Should i worry about the 35.5 Crown angle?
This diamond is listed on 3 sites one of them had an asset image but i don't know how to read it. can you help?

 

[Reneli]

I like this one.

Thank you for chiming in! How do you feel about I color? is it too low? do you feel it will look warm?

 

[Wewechew]

Thank you for chiming in! How do you feel about I color? is it too low? do you feel it will look warm?

It depends how color intolerant you are. I can see color up to an H.

I recently upgraded my I, which I could see warmth in. However, I would have held onto my I if it had fluorescence, over a higher color that didn’t. But I LOVE the effect fluorescence has on a stone. This is all to say, I can see color in an I, but it doesn’t drive me nuts.

If I were you, I would see if you can place a hold on this diamond, but continue to have the jeweler look for a higher color stone if it’s in your budget.

 

[Wewechew]

Lovedogs! I was hoping ypu would respond. Should i worry about the 35.5 Crown angle?
This diamond is listed on 3 sites one of them had an asset image but i don't know how to read it. can you help?

The diamond is going to have some leakage. But I still think it would out perform 90% of the diamonds out there.

 

[Reneli]

It depends how color intolerant you are. I can see color up to an H.

I recently upgraded my I, which I could see warmth in. However, I would have held onto my I if it had fluorescence, over a higher color that didn’t. But I LOVE the effect fluorescence has on a stone. This is all to say, I can see color in an I, but it doesn’t drive me nuts.

If I were you, I would see if you can place a hold on this diamond, but continue to have the jeweler look for a higher color stone if it’s in your budget.

It is also going to be set in a gold band if that makes any difference. to be honest with you I had i and a G side by side and it was really hard for me to tell.

also do you have any thoughts on the asset image I posted? I don't know how to interpret it.

 

[Reneli]

The diamond is going to have some leakage. But I still think it would put perform 90% of the diamonds out there.

that's good to know! the Crown angle is 35.5, not ideal. should i be concerned?

 

[Wewechew]

It is also going to be set in a gold band if that makes any difference. to be honest with you I had i and a G side by side and it was really hard for me to tell.

Then an I will be fine for you. I could see the difference in tint between an H and I in a blind test.

I mentioned above my thoughts on the asset.

 

[lovedogs]

The diamond is going to have some leakage. But I still think it would put perform 90% of the diamonds out there.

Agreed. It's not going to perform like a super ideal stone, but it will perform better than a vast majority.

 

[Wewechew]

that's good to know! the Crown angle is 35.5, not ideal. should i be concerned?

@sledge and @lovedogs would be better able to answer that

 

[mwilliamanderson]

I responded to the other thread you created. Did you see this one I posted from Adiamor? It has a CA 35/ PA 40.6

https://static.adiamor.com/pdfview/43688081.pdf

 

[lovedogs]

@sledge and @lovedogs would be better able to answer that

The only reason to be concerned is if you don't have an ASET/IS to confirm performance. you have one, and it shows some leakage. It's not a perfect stone, but you're in a tough spot trying to find something that your jeweler can access.

 

[Reneli]

I responded to the other thread you created. Did you see this one I posted from Adiamor? It has a CA 35/ PA 40.6

https://static.adiamor.com/pdfview/43688081.pdf

Hello,

on man i didn't even see that notification let me check it out

 

[Reneli]

The only reason to be concerned is if you don't have an ASET/IS to confirm performance. you have one, and it shows some leakage. It's not a perfect stone, but you're in a tough spot trying to find something that your jeweler can access.

Agreed!!!

 

[Wewechew]

Hello,

on man i didn't even see that notification let me check it out

Unless you can get an aset on this one, I still prefer the first I you found.

 

[mwilliamanderson]

Hello,

on man i didn't even see that notification let me check it out

Reposting here so others can weigh in:

I did a pricescope search and came up with a few in virtual inventory.

https://static.adiamor.com/pdfview/43688081.pdf

https://www.b2cjewels.com/dd/128702...m_medium=referral&utm_campaign=pricescope.com

https://diamonddealfinder.com/enquiry.php?id_field=1314381

 

[Reneli]

I responded to the other thread you created. Did you see this one I posted from Adiamor? It has a CA 35/ PA 40.6

https://static.adiamor.com/pdfview/43688081.pdf

this one looks nice too! Is there a visible difference from 0.9 to 0.95? im gonna try and get an asset on it.