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OoohShiny

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@abbit bought an awesome bezeled half-carat from TriJewel, and it looks like they sell loose stones in a range of cuts!



They don't have any pictures (of the Asschers, at least) and the certificate link of the one I clicked on didn't match the stone in the listing, so one might need to do some work if looking to buy from them! The prices seem pretty reasonable, though :)
 

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www.loopjewelry.com has been tested and reported back on! Thanks @strawrose! :)

 

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The Ritani web store is interesting. They not only give the retail price but what the stone cost them and their markups.
That is interesting! I will have to check it out, thanks for the heads-up :))
 

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The Ritani web store is interesting. They not only give the retail price but what the stone cost them and their markups.
Some examples for reference:

0.9ct F VVS1 EC
Our Cost: $1,207.79
Fulfillment Costs: $90.86
Mark-up: $353.35
Your Cost: $1,652.00

1.1ct G VS1 EC
Our Cost: $1,452.08
Fulfillment Costs: $108.63
Mark-up: $414.29
Your Cost $1,975.00

0.65ct E VS1 EC
Our Cost: $487.50
Fulfillment Costs: $37.45
Mark-up: $156.05
Your Cost: $681.00

1.5ct F VS1 Asscher
Our Cost: $3,000.00
Fulfillment Costs: $217.58
Mark-up: $738.42
Your Cost: $3,956.00

2.02ct G VS1 Asscher
Our Cost: $5,171.20
Fulfillment Costs: $368.39
Mark-up: $1,158.41
Your Cost: $6,698.00

1.1ct G VVS2 MRB
Our Cost: $2,194.50
Fulfillment Costs: $152.57
Mark-up: $426.93
Your Cost: $2,774.00

2.58ct H VS1 MRB
Our Cost: $7,223.61
Fulfillment Costs: $504.57
Mark-up: $1,445.82
Your Cost: $9,174.00


Sticking those into Excel, you can look at it two ways:
- % each element represents of the total 'Your Cost' price
- % uplift the 'Your Cost' represents over the 'Our Cost' price

The first way, the 'Our Cost' prices range from 71 to 79% of the total cost, the 'Fulfillment cost' is 5.5%, and the 'Mark-Up' ranges from 15% to 23%. (All figures roughly rounded.)

The second way, the 'Fulfillment cost' is roughly 7% uplift on the 'Our Cost' price, the 'Mark Up' ranges from 19.5% to almost 30%, and the 'Your Cost' prices are therefore 26% to 40% higher than the 'Our Cost' prices.

I guess we should also include the Fulfillment Cost as at least some Profit Margin, given $500 (in the last example) is surely more than the admin costs to source/list/move/sell the stone.


I think this total transparency approach to 'standard listings' by Ritani is quite unique - we don't get it (AFAIK) with any standard listings of Mined stones (??).

I guess there may be a similar sort of approach with regards to custom cutting, though - e.g. you are told the price of the rough and the price of the different potential end results - but that is quite specialist compared to picking a stone off a list.


It would be ultra-awesome if this sort of info was included in any PS MMD stones search engine! (if @psadmin determine such a search engine is a suitable way forward for PS, and if it does not cause a total headache to do if implementation is considered :lol:)
 
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Welcome to the forum, @Ada Diamonds CEO :)

I see you have joined today!

I was looking at your site and noticed that you have a slightly different method of selling compared to other vendors, whereby you show boundaries of cost for Colour, Clarity and Carat Weight, and invite interested parties to make contact and receive a curated list, but don't list individual stones or go into much detail with regards to Cut (in terms of light performance / grading report angles and measurements / the HCA tool / ASETscope images / etc.):

Please may I ask as to your position on the Cut aspect?

As I am sure you are well aware, we PSers are generally Cut Geeks! :geek: :D so it would be great if it was possible to source stones that very definitely were 'up there' in terms of light performance :)
 

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Welcome to the forum, @Ada Diamonds CEO :)

I see you have joined today!

I was looking at your site and noticed that you have a slightly different method of selling compared to other vendors, whereby you show boundaries of cost for Colour, Clarity and Carat Weight, and invite interested parties to make contact and receive a curated list, but don't list individual stones or go into much detail with regards to Cut (in terms of light performance / grading report angles and measurements / the HCA tool / ASETscope images / etc.):

Please may I ask as to your position on the Cut aspect?

As I am sure you are well aware, we PSers are generally Cut Geeks! :geek: :D so it would be great if it was possible to source stones that very definitely were 'up there' in terms of light performance :)
If I may be so bold, myself and the rest of my team are cut snobs, and we steadfastly refuse to sell unexceptional diamonds. Be it poor make, blue nuance, heavy post growth treatment, striations, phosphorescence, or a number of other defects that occur in lab diamonds, we reject a lot of goods.

Unlike other online retailers of lab diamonds, we refuse to sell certificates, videos, or pictures. We bring every stone in house, evaluate it fully, and only take a deposit from our client after it's passed our QC standards.

Personally, I love a good step cut, and my favorite diamond we've sold was a Asscher that had great fire through the table yet strong whiteflashes off-table. I wish I had the time to Sarine scan the stone.

As a matter of taste, my cofounder (and wife) likes her tables bigger than I do, but I like earthier Pinots than she does :razz:

Here's some of our work...
 

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If I may be so bold, myself and the rest of my team are cut snobs, and we steadfastly refuse to sell unexceptional diamonds. Be it poor make, blue nuance, heavy post growth treatment, striations, phosphorescence, or a number of other defects that occur in lab diamonds, we reject a lot of goods.

Unlike other online retailers of lab diamonds, we refuse to sell certificates, videos, or pictures. We bring every stone in house, evaluate it fully, and only take a deposit from our client after it's passed our QC standards.

Personally, I love a good step cut, and my favorite diamond we've sold was a Asscher that had great fire through the table yet strong whiteflashes off-table. I wish I had the time to Sarine scan the stone.

As a matter of taste, my cofounder (and wife) likes her tables bigger than I do, but I like earthier Pinots than she does :razz:

Here's some of our work...
Thank you for your reply :)

Your video may disappear due to self-promotion rules on here (I'm not sure what's permitted and what isn't) but I presume it is on your youtube channel!

I'm glad to hear good stepcuts are a favourite - there should be more of them ;-) lol

To confirm, then - you and your team inspect all the diamonds you order in, and therefore do not 'drop-ship', but the photos / videos / grading reports are all available to potential customers?
 

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To confirm, then - you and your team inspect all the diamonds you order in, and therefore do not 'drop-ship', but the photos / videos / grading reports are all available to potential customers?
Correct. We inspect every stone in-house, and deliver honest HD videos in a regular lightbox without post-processing. Because we do not grow our own diamonds, nor do we buy bulk lots/parcels of stones, we do not have any so-so diamonds that we need to unload on customers.

We also carefully inspect all of our melee in-house and reject any stones with poor make, blue nuance, or dimensions out of tolerances. We have always used only lab grown melee.

We do all of this curation at no cost or obligation to our prospective clients.

Frankly, I detest the business model of selling videos, drop shipping diamonds from wholesalers to fabricators in Mexico that make jewelry as fast and cheap as possible, and then drop shipping the customer with little or no QC.
 

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@Batgirl76 just posted up to add Ouros Jewels on Etsy to the list:



http://www.ourosjewels.com


Prices look very reasonable, and they have a youtube channel with quite a few videos on it:

Not sure on the cut quality of the rounds, some of them look a bit dark under the table in the pictures on the etsy listings / videos?? but some of the stepcuts look pretty decent in the videos. Would be interesting if he could get an ASETscope at some point.
 

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@MRBXXXFVVS1 posted to highlight that Swarovski are venturing into coloured MMDs :))




On that latter page there was an advert to Overnight Mountings, which I've not heard of before but have a search engine for their listings, although you need to register to see prices:

 

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@Batgirl76 kindly posted up about Frank Darling in NYC :)


 

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@Batgirl76 just posted up to add Ouros Jewels on Etsy to the list:



http://www.ourosjewels.com


Prices look very reasonable, and they have a youtube channel with quite a few videos on it:

Not sure on the cut quality of the rounds, some of them look a bit dark under the table in the pictures on the etsy listings / videos?? but some of the stepcuts look pretty decent in the videos. Would be interesting if he could get an ASETscope at some point.
Looks like Ouros has had its Etsy account disabled/removed, for reasons as yet unknown, so perhaps one to avoid?
 

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Looks like Ouros has had its Etsy account disabled/removed, for reasons as yet unknown, so perhaps one to avoid?
Ouros appears to be on Ebay as Lab Grown Diamond. Has anyone here purchased from them? I'm tempted to get some small side stones for a future ring project, but would be good to know if they're reputable: https://www.ebay.com/str/imoissanjewels
 

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One for the aussies..


They have offices in a number of cities in AU + NZ.

I’m hoping to get into the ADL store soon to check them out.
 

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I'm going to start a separate thread on this in a moment, but Yoram/diagem on here (of Gemconcepts) is looking into cutting MMD into his awesome speciality cuts!! 8-)

http://instagr.am/p/CBoHC2ll8MN/
http://instagr.am/p/CByaZePFpAb/
http://instagr.am/p/CB0rJ1aFK2U/
http://instagr.am/p/CB1Odx6lbLN/
I can't wait to see the results :))


EDIT: Dedicated thread on it!

 
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I've just seen that RareCarat does have an MMD search engine of a range of vendors / advertisers, which could be very useful, especially if one can search MRBs using angles/filters!

 

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I really don't know much about the pricing of lab diamonds, but I got an email from sykessler where I registered the warranty of my GemOro ultrasonic. They're launching lab diamonds, and the say their prices are 79-84% off RAP. They all seem to be graded by IGI though. This didn't transer well from an excel file, but the prices listed are the RAP prices.I don't see them on the website yet, but just another source.

PG11B/50-50 395937966 CU 1.02 F VS2 VG 6.8x5.69x3.68 64.67 61.5 $6,200 IGI Avail 360 Video
384962920 384962920 CU 1.06 E VS2 VG 6.9x5.75x3.64 63.3 58.5 $6,600 IGI Avail 360 Video
PG32C-34-34 407950071 OV 1.01 E VS1 EX 7.85x5.81x3.57 61.4 58.5 $7,000 IGI Avail 360 Video
PG15B-134-134 407988049 OV 1.02 E VS2 VG 7.89x5.83x3.62 62.1 58 $6,600 IGI Avail 360 Video
PG15B-133-133 407988048 OV 1.02 E VS2 VG 7.96x5.82x3.52 60.5 57.5 $6,600 IGI Avail 360 Video
PG07A/3-136 395935854 OV 1.03 F VS1 EX 8.5x5.84x3.53 60.45 58.5 $6,500 IGI Avail 360 Video
PG32C-33-33 407942772 OV 1.04 E VS2 EX 8.1x5.78x3.54 61.2 58.5 $6,600 IGI Avail 360 Video
PG13C-11-11 407978741 OV 1.06 E VS1 EX 7.96x5.89x3.68 62.5 59 $7,000 IGI Avail 360 Video
PG14A-19-19 407931448 PS 1.08 E VVS2 VG 9.01x5.75x3.5 60.9 58.5 $7,800 IGI Avail 360 Video
PG23B-38-38 407988134 PS 1.22 E VS1 EX 9.06x5.99x3.75 62.6 58 $7,000 IGI Avail 360 Video
PG32C-70-70 407942767 RD 1.01 D VS2 ID 6.38x6.4x3.99 62.4 55.5 $9,800 IGI Avail 360 Video
PG23C-10-10 407978567 RD 1.01 E VS2 ID 6.51x6.54x3.92 60 57.5 $9,000 IGI Avail 360 Video
PG32C-2-2 407950065 RD 1.01 E VS2 ID 6.39x6.44x3.96 61.7 56 $9,000 IGI Avail 360 Video
PG23A-102-102 407988030 RD 1.01 E VS2 ID 6.37x6.41x3.99 62.4 56 $9,000 IGI Avail 360 Video
PG23B-89-89 407988190 RD 1.01 E VS2 ID 6.51x6.54x3.91 60 58 $9,000 IGI Avail 360 Video
PG32C-16-16 407950067 RD 1.01 D VS2 ID 6.4x6.43x3.99 62.2 54.5 $9,800 IGI Avail 360 Video
PG11B/95-95 395935937 RD 1.01 E VS2 ID 6.39x6.44x3.98 62.2 62.2 $9,000 IGI Avail 360 Video
PG15B-117-117 407978466 RD 1.01 E VS2 ID 6.39x6.44x3.98 62.1 55.5 $9,000 IGI Avail 360 Video
PG15A-65-65 407988099 RD 1.01 E VS2 ID 6.4x6.45x3.93 61.1 57.5 $9,000 IGI Avail 360 Video
PG15A-23-23 407978628 RD 1.01 E VS2 ID 6.37x6.42x3.96 61.9 57 $9,000 IGI Avail 360 Video
PG13C-126-126 407978731 RD 1.01 E VS2 ID 6.37x6.42x3.95 61.8 57.5 $9,000 IGI Avail 360 Video
PG32C-78-78 407942768 RD 1.11 F VS2 ID 6.72x6.74x4.05 60.1 57 $8,300 IGI Avail 360 Video
PG13B-10-10 400913388 RD 1.12 E VS2 ID 6.69x6.75x4.06 60.5 57 $9,000 IGI Avail 360 Video
PG32A-57-57 407950092 RD 1.12 F VS2 ID 6.62x6.67x4.13 62.1 55.5 $8,300 IGI Avail 360 Video
PG23B-90-90 407978501 RD 1.21 E VS2 ID 6.81x6.86x4.21 61.6 56 $9,000 IGI Avail 360 Video
PG32A-73-73 407942815 RD 1.23 D VS2 ID 6.82x6.87x4.23 61.7 57.5 $9,800 IGI Avail 360 Video
PG32B-23-23 407942732 RD 1.30 E VS2 ID 7.05x7.1x4.27 60.4 58 $9,000 IGI Avail 360 Video
PG32A-49-49 407950076 RD 1.30 E VS2 ID 6.99x7.02x4.29 61.2 57.5 $9,000 IGI Avail 360 Video
PG23B-21-21 407988163 RD 1.45 E VS2 ID 7.29x7.35x4.44 60.7 57 $9,000 IGI Avail 360 Video
PG14A-39-39 407931438 RD 1.50 D VS2 ID 7.33x7.38x4.52 61.5 55 $12,800 IGI Avail 360 Video
 

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I really don't know much about the pricing of lab diamonds, but I got an email from sykessler where I registered the warranty of my GemOro ultrasonic. They're launching lab diamonds, and the say their prices are 79-84% off RAP. They all seem to be graded by IGI though. This didn't transer well from an excel file, but the prices listed are the RAP prices.I don't see them on the website yet, but just another source.

PG11B/50-50 395937966 CU 1.02 F VS2 VG 6.8x5.69x3.68 64.67 61.5 $6,200 IGI Avail 360 Video
384962920 384962920 CU 1.06 E VS2 VG 6.9x5.75x3.64 63.3 58.5 $6,600 IGI Avail 360 Video
PG32C-34-34 407950071 OV 1.01 E VS1 EX 7.85x5.81x3.57 61.4 58.5 $7,000 IGI Avail 360 Video
PG15B-134-134 407988049 OV 1.02 E VS2 VG 7.89x5.83x3.62 62.1 58 $6,600 IGI Avail 360 Video
PG15B-133-133 407988048 OV 1.02 E VS2 VG 7.96x5.82x3.52 60.5 57.5 $6,600 IGI Avail 360 Video
PG07A/3-136 395935854 OV 1.03 F VS1 EX 8.5x5.84x3.53 60.45 58.5 $6,500 IGI Avail 360 Video
PG32C-33-33 407942772 OV 1.04 E VS2 EX 8.1x5.78x3.54 61.2 58.5 $6,600 IGI Avail 360 Video
PG13C-11-11 407978741 OV 1.06 E VS1 EX 7.96x5.89x3.68 62.5 59 $7,000 IGI Avail 360 Video
PG14A-19-19 407931448 PS 1.08 E VVS2 VG 9.01x5.75x3.5 60.9 58.5 $7,800 IGI Avail 360 Video
PG23B-38-38 407988134 PS 1.22 E VS1 EX 9.06x5.99x3.75 62.6 58 $7,000 IGI Avail 360 Video
PG32C-70-70 407942767 RD 1.01 D VS2 ID 6.38x6.4x3.99 62.4 55.5 $9,800 IGI Avail 360 Video
PG23C-10-10 407978567 RD 1.01 E VS2 ID 6.51x6.54x3.92 60 57.5 $9,000 IGI Avail 360 Video
PG32C-2-2 407950065 RD 1.01 E VS2 ID 6.39x6.44x3.96 61.7 56 $9,000 IGI Avail 360 Video
PG23A-102-102 407988030 RD 1.01 E VS2 ID 6.37x6.41x3.99 62.4 56 $9,000 IGI Avail 360 Video
PG23B-89-89 407988190 RD 1.01 E VS2 ID 6.51x6.54x3.91 60 58 $9,000 IGI Avail 360 Video
PG32C-16-16 407950067 RD 1.01 D VS2 ID 6.4x6.43x3.99 62.2 54.5 $9,800 IGI Avail 360 Video
PG11B/95-95 395935937 RD 1.01 E VS2 ID 6.39x6.44x3.98 62.2 62.2 $9,000 IGI Avail 360 Video
PG15B-117-117 407978466 RD 1.01 E VS2 ID 6.39x6.44x3.98 62.1 55.5 $9,000 IGI Avail 360 Video
PG15A-65-65 407988099 RD 1.01 E VS2 ID 6.4x6.45x3.93 61.1 57.5 $9,000 IGI Avail 360 Video
PG15A-23-23 407978628 RD 1.01 E VS2 ID 6.37x6.42x3.96 61.9 57 $9,000 IGI Avail 360 Video
PG13C-126-126 407978731 RD 1.01 E VS2 ID 6.37x6.42x3.95 61.8 57.5 $9,000 IGI Avail 360 Video
PG32C-78-78 407942768 RD 1.11 F VS2 ID 6.72x6.74x4.05 60.1 57 $8,300 IGI Avail 360 Video
PG13B-10-10 400913388 RD 1.12 E VS2 ID 6.69x6.75x4.06 60.5 57 $9,000 IGI Avail 360 Video
PG32A-57-57 407950092 RD 1.12 F VS2 ID 6.62x6.67x4.13 62.1 55.5 $8,300 IGI Avail 360 Video
PG23B-90-90 407978501 RD 1.21 E VS2 ID 6.81x6.86x4.21 61.6 56 $9,000 IGI Avail 360 Video
PG32A-73-73 407942815 RD 1.23 D VS2 ID 6.82x6.87x4.23 61.7 57.5 $9,800 IGI Avail 360 Video
PG32B-23-23 407942732 RD 1.30 E VS2 ID 7.05x7.1x4.27 60.4 58 $9,000 IGI Avail 360 Video
PG32A-49-49 407950076 RD 1.30 E VS2 ID 6.99x7.02x4.29 61.2 57.5 $9,000 IGI Avail 360 Video
PG23B-21-21 407988163 RD 1.45 E VS2 ID 7.29x7.35x4.44 60.7 57 $9,000 IGI Avail 360 Video
PG14A-39-39 407931438 RD 1.50 D VS2 ID 7.33x7.38x4.52 61.5 55 $12,800 IGI Avail 360 Video

You should expect at least 85% of Rap if not more. I find their prices far to high.
 

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Happy to add Dajini (Frank) to this list. He has only just started a stand-alone website (dajini.com) after mainly using Etsy to sell his lovely items (https://www.etsy.com/au/shop/Dajini). He is located in Canada, but is happy to ship overseas, which is great for Aussies. He can pretty much source the same lab stones that are listed on With Clarity (which doesn't ship to Australia). Frank communicated with me well and has great reviews on Etsy. Would happily deal with him again!
 

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My ring expected this week I bought on Rare caret and I’m getting a 2.10 I, Vs1 000 for $3800.
 

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Happy to add Dajini (Frank) to this list. He has only just started a stand-alone website (dajini.com) after mainly using Etsy to sell his lovely items (https://www.etsy.com/au/shop/Dajini). He is located in Canada, but is happy to ship overseas, which is great for Aussies. He can pretty much source the same lab stones that are listed on With Clarity (which doesn't ship to Australia). Frank communicated with me well and has great reviews on Etsy. Would happily deal with him again!
Curious to see any pics! Can you share any?
 

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I was looking at bands on Noemie and found that they offer a lab grown band:

 

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We have our first listing on PriceScope now!!!!
We expect to have many more companies up very soon!!!
That will give us a chance to monitor via all your inputs the naughty companies and send more business to the nice ones!
i suspect ist a bit wild westish out there at the moment!
 
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