.dee please read the caveats w/ HCA. Especially iof this is how you''re measuring cut.
On virtual stones you are wading through. Not those you can see and/or possibly have IS images. Or those already graded.
Hi, I''m a woman in my mid-thirties and love jewelry and was glad to find pricescope and educated myself before making expensive purchases. There are many ladies who has educated themselves here on Pricescope and have shopped for the diamond together with their other half. From the increasing number of members posting on Ladies in Waiting forum, I can only guess that the number of ladies on Pricescope seeking education on diamonds are increasing. I recommended my female colleagues and friends to pricescope and the HCA and they were convinced too that indeed, one can get the same quality without the branding at a cheaper price. Just a little research goes a long way with our and our significant others'' pockets.Date: 4/22/2008 2:18:22 AM
Author: IronMikey
Date: 4/22/2008 2:11:41 AM
Author: simplysplendid
Statement 3: I want a bigger diamond
Statement 4: I want a smaller diamond
Which statement do you think most women would rather make.
I believe that after being educated that essentially, the diamonds are from the same source but priced differently because of the branding, and that for the same budget, you CAN get a bigger diamond with the same quality elsewhere, most ladies will choose a bigger diamond. It''s probably whether the guys get the chance to educate the ladies (to keep the element of surprise, for example).
Honestly, a bigger whiteflash stone or a smaller Cartier... I think you''d still have a solid split in preference. A 2ct ACA is around $22-24K (setting included), a 1.7ct Cartier ran about $25K. I don''t think too many women would pass on the Cartier. You have to think about the women who aren''t on pricescope remember...
Educating a woman about diamonds just isn''t enough sometimes. For 25 years (or however long your GF has been alive) they have heard the names T and Co, HW, Cartier. A little diamond talk might not be enough to undo that. These names are synonymous with quality to them...not HCA scores or idealscope imaages
Out of curiosity how do you know they were similar if you didn''t see the cut stats?
True guy''s, please do not use hCA as a grading standard (even though GIA do) as it is a bad policy.
Date: 4/22/2008 2:51:03 AM
Author: simplysplendid
Date: 4/22/2008 2:18:22 AM
Author: IronMikey
Date: 4/22/2008 2:11:41 AM
Author: simplysplendid
Statement 3: I want a bigger diamond
Statement 4: I want a smaller diamond
Which statement do you think most women would rather make.
I believe that after being educated that essentially, the diamonds are from the same source but priced differently because of the branding, and that for the same budget, you CAN get a bigger diamond with the same quality elsewhere, most ladies will choose a bigger diamond. It''s probably whether the guys get the chance to educate the ladies (to keep the element of surprise, for example).
Honestly, a bigger whiteflash stone or a smaller Cartier... I think you''d still have a solid split in preference. A 2ct ACA is around $22-24K (setting included), a 1.7ct Cartier ran about $25K. I don''t think too many women would pass on the Cartier. You have to think about the women who aren''t on pricescope remember...
Educating a woman about diamonds just isn''t enough sometimes. For 25 years (or however long your GF has been alive) they have heard the names T and Co, HW, Cartier. A little diamond talk might not be enough to undo that. These names are synonymous with quality to them...not HCA scores or idealscope imaages
Hi, I''m a woman in my mid-thirties and love jewelry and was glad to find pricescope and educated myself before making expensive purchases. There are many ladies who has educated themselves here on Pricescope and have shopped for the diamond together with their other half. From the increasing number of members posting on Ladies in Waiting forum, I can only guess that the number of ladies on Pricescope seeking education on diamonds are increasing. I recommended my female colleagues and friends to pricescope and the HCA and they were convinced too that indeed, one can get the same quality without the branding at a cheaper price. Just a little research goes a long way with our and our significant others'' pockets.
When someone look at our diamonds, especially when we have more than one piece of jewelry, they are unlikely to ask if it is a Tiffany. It is tacky for anyone wearing diamonds or their engagement ring, to announce to others that this is a Tiffany diamond. How is the conversation leading to Statement 1 suppose to start? Someone asks to see the ring and your lady announces that it is from Cartier/Tiffany/HW? Or do you make the announcement on her behalf? Or should your lady remove the ring and show her friends the T&Co stamp? Either way, it is tacky. So chances are, even if you own a diamond from Cartier/Tiffany/HW, only your lady and you know it. Whether that is worth the premium or not is a personal decision. I think a bigger diamond speaks for itself (again, talking about the same quality round diamonds here for discussion purposes). Have you tried educating your lady and then ask her whether Statement 3 or 4 is true?
I am not anti-Tiffany. I love Tiffany and I do purchase other jewelry from them, in fact, a lot of jewelry, for their design. I will purchase a Tiffany diamond only if I am purchasing the other cuts such as the Lucida or Novo. As for a generic round diamond, you CAN get the same quality at lower prices elsewhere.
And my hubby can attest to it, Statement 3 is true for me. I don''t even need an ACA, a 2.2 carat expert selection is good enough to compare with the cut found at Tiffany. When there is a budget, so I would choose a 2.2carat ES over a 1.7 carat Tiffany/HW/Cartier, anytime. If there is no budget, give me a D IF 10ct honker.
I don''t know... I''ve never asked someone where their engagement ring is from! Maybe it''s just the crowd I associate with then, who are not the flaunt-it types even though from fairly priviledged backgrounds. None of my friends has gone out of their way to tell people that their ring is from xyz either, except for one who is absolutely obnoxious about her Tiffany (a notorious name / price dropper!)
Don''t you think people get these people getting replicas are inviting people to think the ring is from Tiffany''s?Date: 4/22/2008 9:50:21 AM
Author: IronMikey
Date: 4/22/2008 2:51:03 AM
Author: simplysplendid
Date: 4/22/2008 2:18:22 AM
Author: IronMikey
Date: 4/22/2008 2:11:41 AM
Author: simplysplendid
Statement 3: I want a bigger diamond
Statement 4: I want a smaller diamond
Which statement do you think most women would rather make.
I believe that after being educated that essentially, the diamonds are from the same source but priced differently because of the branding, and that for the same budget, you CAN get a bigger diamond with the same quality elsewhere, most ladies will choose a bigger diamond. It''s probably whether the guys get the chance to educate the ladies (to keep the element of surprise, for example).
Honestly, a bigger whiteflash stone or a smaller Cartier... I think you''d still have a solid split in preference. A 2ct ACA is around $22-24K (setting included), a 1.7ct Cartier ran about $25K. I don''t think too many women would pass on the Cartier. You have to think about the women who aren''t on pricescope remember...
Educating a woman about diamonds just isn''t enough sometimes. For 25 years (or however long your GF has been alive) they have heard the names T and Co, HW, Cartier. A little diamond talk might not be enough to undo that. These names are synonymous with quality to them...not HCA scores or idealscope imaages
Hi, I''m a woman in my mid-thirties and love jewelry and was glad to find pricescope and educated myself before making expensive purchases. There are many ladies who has educated themselves here on Pricescope and have shopped for the diamond together with their other half. From the increasing number of members posting on Ladies in Waiting forum, I can only guess that the number of ladies on Pricescope seeking education on diamonds are increasing. I recommended my female colleagues and friends to pricescope and the HCA and they were convinced too that indeed, one can get the same quality without the branding at a cheaper price. Just a little research goes a long way with our and our significant others'' pockets.
When someone look at our diamonds, especially when we have more than one piece of jewelry, they are unlikely to ask if it is a Tiffany. It is tacky for anyone wearing diamonds or their engagement ring, to announce to others that this is a Tiffany diamond. How is the conversation leading to Statement 1 suppose to start? Someone asks to see the ring and your lady announces that it is from Cartier/Tiffany/HW? Or do you make the announcement on her behalf? Or should your lady remove the ring and show her friends the T&Co stamp? Either way, it is tacky. So chances are, even if you own a diamond from Cartier/Tiffany/HW, only your lady and you know it. Whether that is worth the premium or not is a personal decision. I think a bigger diamond speaks for itself (again, talking about the same quality round diamonds here for discussion purposes). Have you tried educating your lady and then ask her whether Statement 3 or 4 is true?
I am not anti-Tiffany. I love Tiffany and I do purchase other jewelry from them, in fact, a lot of jewelry, for their design. I will purchase a Tiffany diamond only if I am purchasing the other cuts such as the Lucida or Novo. As for a generic round diamond, you CAN get the same quality at lower prices elsewhere.
And my hubby can attest to it, Statement 3 is true for me. I don''t even need an ACA, a 2.2 carat expert selection is good enough to compare with the cut found at Tiffany. When there is a budget, so I would choose a 2.2carat ES over a 1.7 carat Tiffany/HW/Cartier, anytime. If there is no budget, give me a D IF 10ct honker.
I don''t think you understand how small a sample size you''re thinking about here. Sure there may be increasing numbers of women on here or there may be increasing numbers of people who use diamond forums altogether.
BUT!!!
Think about how many people get engaged each year. I''m sure it dwarfs the number of people on this or all other forums. Thus you don''t really have this vast number of people who care about or know about cut quality etc. There''s a reason the first question a sales rep asks is, ''are you familiar with the 4 C''s.'' It''s because most people are probably starting from this level of knowledge.
Also, are you seriously telling me that girls don''t ask to hear about an ER? Like where did he get it etc...
C''mon now. That''s a bit silly to say. It isn''t tacky, it''s a curiosity that people share and it''s something to talk about. Is it tacky for a girl to see the Tiffany classic 6 prong and say, ''is that from Tiffany''s?'' No, it''s only natural. What I think some people might find equally tacky to the things you discussed is if the girl answered, ''no it''s not from T and Co -- it''s a replica (aka knock-off)''
Don''t you think people get these people getting replicas are inviting people to think the ring is from Tiffany''s?
IronMickey,
Date: 4/22/2008 12:26:53 PM
Author: .dee
It''s all fun & games until someone loses an eye.
Let''s play nice.
.dee I think you are missing the point - it''s not JUST about the DIAMOND.
Read Lesco''s posts.
I don''t think IM is debating diamonds over diamonds.
Every post is an opinion so I guess we''re all immature.
Now asserting a value judgement onto someone you don''t know is immature.
I think it is fair to say that GENERALLY speaking, and I can''t stress the ''generally'' enough, that many people shopping at the above mentioned stores are suckered to some extent. We have been programed to belive that BMW is better than Ford, Coke is better than Sams Choice and Tiff is better than Kay.Date: 4/22/2008 10:13:45 AM
Author: IronMikey
I think you''re right. Thanks for the encouragement. I just get frustrated with people who try to imply people who make this choice are in some way stupid or they''re a sucker (you certainly have NOT done this
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Thanks again!
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