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Is my Lucy an OEC or Transitional?

Is Lucy an OEC or Tranny?

  • OEC

    Votes: 9 33.3%

  • Tranny

    Votes: 18 66.7%
  • Total voters
    27
ohsomethingshiny

ohsomethingshiny

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My curiosity is piqued! I shared a picture of Lucy as viewed through the loupe with two diamond professionals and one says she is an OEC and the other says she is a transitional. So I ask you, fellow PSers, which camp are you in?

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My (non-expert) opinion is that it looks more like a transitional than an OEC, but I mostly just think she's beautiful!
 
foxinsox said:
Camp Tranny as she’s got lovely blocky checkerboards facets :love: how big is her table and crown? That might help with determining it
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I’m not sure. I don’t have a cert for her.

The jeweler I purchased her from is a graduate gemologist who deals strictly with vintage pieces. He said that he believes she is an OEC that was likely cut towards the end of the OEC period. He said that she isn’t faceted enough or have shallow enough crown angles to be a transitional. However the other person I asked works heavily with old cuts and she said she believes Lucy is a transitional based off the lack of cutlet and the checkerboard pattern.

As of now it’s 7-1 PSers who are in Camp Transitional.

I told my hubs that if Lucy is in fact a transitional cut, that means I will have to get my Flower Power on (later) and find a beautiful OEC. :lol-2:
 
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ohsomethingshiny said:
I’m not sure. I don’t have a cert for her.

The jeweler I purchased her from is a graduate gemologist who deals strictly with vintage pieces. He said that he believes she is an OEC that was likely cut towards the end of the OEC period. He said that she isn’t faceted enough or have shallow enough crown angles to be a transitional. However the other person I asked works heavily with old cuts and she said she believes Lucy is a transitional based off the lack of cutlet and the checkerboard pattern.

As of now it’s 7-1 PSers who are in Camp Transitional.

I told my hubs that if Lucy is in fact a transitional cut, that means I will have to get my Flower Power on (later) and find a beautiful OEC. :lol-2:
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Then clearly she must be a transitional and you do, sadly (ha!) still need to find an OEC.
 
I voted transitional because gorgeous transitional wasn't an option :P2
 
Can I just say I like the blockiness of your stone!
 
Transitionalicious :kiss2:
 
I know this is late to the game, but does having a side view help at all?
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The stone looks like an OEC which may have been a bit improved by minor re-cutting some time ago. The table is small and most transitionals have tables far closer to 60%. The crown is nicely high and most transitionals have far shallower crown height. The reason I think it may have been touched up is the nearly pointed culet which is a more modern feature. Possibly the girdle needed a bit of chip repair and t that time the cutter worked over the stone to improve it a bit without making it into a modern stone. We used to do this on dozens every year in hopes of keeping old cuts available and in the market. Transition cuts tend to look more somewhat modern cut with short lower girdle facet lengths, but not nearly as blocky light return. They were not the best look, but were cut during a rather short period of experimentation which resulted in 60-60 modern cuts becoming the fashion of the times for a far longer period. Those who think this is a transitional cut should do a bit of research to get a better understanding of what those stones looked like and why their period was so relatively short.
 
oldminer said:
The stone looks like an OEC which may have been a bit improved by minor re-cutting some time ago. The table is small and most transitionals have tables far closer to 60%. The crown is nicely high and most transitionals have far shallower crown height. The reason I think it may have been touched up is the nearly pointed culet which is a more modern feature. Possibly the girdle needed a bit of chip repair and t that time the cutter worked over the stone to improve it a bit without making it into a modern stone. We used to do this on dozens every year in hopes of keeping old cuts available and in the market. Transition cuts tend to look more somewhat modern cut with short lower girdle facet lengths, but not nearly as blocky light return. They were not the best look, but were cut during a rather short period of experimentation which resulted in 60-60 modern cuts becoming the fashion of the times for a far longer period. Those who think this is a transitional cut should do a bit of research to get a better understanding of what those stones looked like and why their period was so relatively short.
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Thank you so much, @oldminer! I truly appreciate all of this information. Very fascinating! You have echoed much of what the seller told me yesterday (with the exception of the thoughts on a recut). It has been very interesting to study the two cuts in more detail ever since the question came up yesterday.

Again, thank you for weighing in!
 
oldminer said:
Transition cuts tend to look more somewhat modern cut with short lower girdle facet lengths, but not nearly as blocky light return. They were not the best look, but were cut during a rather short period of experimentation which resulted in 60-60 modern cuts becoming the fashion of the times for a far longer period. Those who think this is a transitional cut should do a bit of research to get a better understanding of what those stones looked like and why their period was so relatively short.
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So when stones with this blocky checkerboard pattern are described as transitional, that’s incorrect if their table and crown are in line wth OEC parameters? That’s super interesting cos I’ve only ever seen this style called transitional. Obviously, you wrote the book on this tho! :P2
@ohsomethingshiny does that mean you’ve lost your excuse for a flowery OEC??
 
foxinsox said:
So when stones with this blocky checkerboard pattern are described as transitional, that’s incorrect if their table and crown are in line wth OEC parameters? That’s super interesting cos I’ve only ever seen this style called transitional. Obviously, you wrote the book on this tho! :P2
@ohsomethingshiny does that mean you’ve lost your excuse for a flowery OEC??
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Nope. Now I just need a BIGGER OEC. LOL!
 
Transitional diamonds typically don't have big high crowns like that, they are usually flatter with bigger tables. And just to complicate things OECs can have both checkerboardy and arrows in their cut patterns.
 
oldminer said:
The stone looks like an OEC which may have been a bit improved by minor re-cutting some time ago. The table is small and most transitionals have tables far closer to 60%. The crown is nicely high and most transitionals have far shallower crown height. The reason I think it may have been touched up is the nearly pointed culet which is a more modern feature. Possibly the girdle needed a bit of chip repair and t that time the cutter worked over the stone to improve it a bit without making it into a modern stone. We used to do this on dozens every year in hopes of keeping old cuts available and in the market. Transition cuts tend to look more somewhat modern cut with short lower girdle facet lengths, but not nearly as blocky light return. They were not the best look, but were cut during a rather short period of experimentation which resulted in 60-60 modern cuts becoming the fashion of the times for a far longer period. Those who think this is a transitional cut should do a bit of research to get a better understanding of what those stones looked like and why their period was so relatively short.
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Thank you for the info @oldminer.
Do you find that all transitionals are not a good look. I do long for the perfect flower pattern of some of the OEC's, but I also am rather enamored with the pastel flashes and fat arrows of a beautiful tranny, which tend to have more visual symmetry than many true OEC's
 
Oh man! I feel better now about being that one vote different than everyone else lol

Edited to add: the different tables are interesting to learn about!
 
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