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Aurora26

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A dealer just posted this diamond. On paper it seems great but does it have a fish eye?

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Could just be a super-close photo where the facets under the table are picking up the black camera. Are you able to get a video?
 

Spring Day

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A dealer just posted this diamond. On paper it seems great but does it have a fish eye?

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Looks like it has obstruction and the facets are mushy. A lot of flea bites on the girdle. What’s the clarity on this?
 

lulu_ma

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Looks like it has obstruction and the facets are mushy. A lot of flea bites on the girdle. What’s the clarity on this?

Not sure. All I know is that it is an L color. @Spring Day what causes obstruction? Cut?
 

lulu_ma

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Ok...I’m going to see a ring on Friday. It’s a 4 carat EGL H/I SI3. Supposedly eye clean except for a white feather.

I’m very hesitant to post the pics I have because the setting is SO not my taste. Also, I can’t really see how crisp the facet pattern is from the pics.
 

Rfisher

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Ok...I’m going to see a ring on Friday. It’s a 4 carat EGL H/I SI3. Supposedly eye clean except for a white feather.

I’m very hesitant to post the pics I have because the setting is SO not my taste. Also, I can’t really see how crisp the facet pattern is from the pics.

Please look at the stone with a loupe. Take one with you just in case.
if the vendor tells you that feather isn’t surface reaching (or something like that) you want to see for yourself or by a third party appraiser.
trust but verify.
 

lulu_ma

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No! so many red flags. Just curious, what do the numbers look like?

I knew something was off on the videos so I didn’t even ask
 

lulu_ma

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Please look at the stone with a loupe. Take one with you just in case.
if the vendor tells you that feather isn’t surface reaching (or something like that) you want to see for yourself or by a third party appraiser.
trust but verify.

Absolutely. If the feather is on the surface then it’s a deal breaker. I want to reset the stone. I don’t want any durability issues.
 

missy

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A dealer just posted this diamond. On paper it seems great but does it have a fish eye?

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Sorry I am late to this but I will add my voice to the chorus. It doesn't appear to be a well cut stone. Faceting is not pretty to say the least. So a hard no from me too. Don't worry...you will find the right stone. The more you see the more you will know what makes a gorgeous stone and what you need and want in your diamond.
 

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Ok...I’m going to see a ring on Friday. It’s a 4 carat EGL H/I SI3. Supposedly eye clean except for a white feather.

I’m very hesitant to post the pics I have because the setting is SO not my taste. Also, I can’t really see how crisp the facet pattern is from the pics.

If you like post the photos. We can ignore the setting. Or when you see it Friday take lots of videos moving the ring slowly so we can appreciate the on/off pattern and the faceting.
 

Rfisher

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Absolutely. If the feather is on the surface then it’s a deal breaker. I want to reset the stone. I don’t want any durability issues.
You’ll get differenting opinions on feathers and durability issues on old stones.
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This is an EGL SI3 that I was told by (PS loved) vendor was eye clean except for feather and was not surface reaching. Mistakes happen - which is why I jumped in here.
it truly was beautiful, but was definitely surface reaching. And the vendor /vendors bench deemed it perfectly stable. I passed.

Have fun looking Friday. Lucky you that you are local to places that have items to view :)
 

lulu_ma

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Ok...here are a few pics. There is video footage on 1stdibs too. I’m going to see if I can link it here.

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lulu_ma

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You’ll get differenting opinions on feathers and durability issues on old stones.
37B29DAE-8F80-412F-82FC-C8F4CB0B6251.jpeg
This is an EGL SI3 that I was told by (PS loved) vendor was eye clean except for feather and was not surface reaching. Mistakes happen - which is why I jumped in here.
it truly was beautiful, but was definitely surface reaching. And the vendor /vendors bench deemed it perfectly stable. I passed.

Have fun looking Friday. Lucky you that you are local to places that have items to view :)
These pictures are very help thank you! Unfortunately, there are no specialists close to me in Boston. I have been able to see 5 OEC’s in the size range I want but all of them are in settings.
 

lulu_ma

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With this ring, the pictures and video only tell me so much. I feel like I have to see it in person. The vendor has been very accommodating.

I found the 1stdibs link. I think the video can only been seen on a desktop or laptop.

 

maryjane04

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I found the 1stdibs link. I think the video can only been seen on a desktop or laptop.


I was interested in this being a size ho lol but after seeing the video, it just didn't do it for me.



Oh sorry just saw your link and it was some Italian vendor? Lol can there be 2 that are this identical. My mistake then.
 

missy

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With this ring, the pictures and video only tell me so much. I feel like I have to see it in person. The vendor has been very accommodating.

I found the 1stdibs link. I think the video can only been seen on a desktop or laptop.


So there’s a lot of dark off facets next to each other but that could be from the camera blocking it. We need better video requested. I’m sorry I can’t evaluate it better. We need to see the performance of the stone and from that video I’m seeing a lot of dark/off facets together. Again is that a function of the way the video was taken? Maybe.
 

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@lulu_ma
Have you read I&R’s write up on this ring?
It’s indicated as sold, but it’s still there.
They specifically note inclusions being covered by the bezel. The setting you just posted would expose the girdle.
have you asked the 1st dibs seller for a look at the EGL report? View the inclusion Plot?

my limited experience with I&R on lower clarity stones, their glamour shots are very very forgiving. Like some not just faintly there....just not there.

I still think you should go see it, though. For research purposes. :)
 
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lulu_ma

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@lulu_ma
Have you read I&R’s write up on this ring?
It’s indicated as sold, but it’s still there.
They specifically note inclusions being covered by the bezel. The setting you just posted would expose the girdle.
have you asked the 1st dibs seller for a look at the EGL report? View the inclusion Plot?

my limited experience with I&R on lower clarity stones, their glamour shots are very very forgiving. Like some not just faintly there....just not there.

I still think you should go see it, though. For research purposes. :)

I&R has been very accommodating. I can go in the details later. I’m taking my loupe with me for sure!

I'll be looking at the inclusions, the faceting, and light performance.

@maryjane04 it’s definitely the same ring. Maybe they sourced it from Italy? Not sure.
 
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Rfisher

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I'll be looking at the inclusions, the faceting, and light performance.
~At this stone’s carat weight and it’s price point ~

what are your priorities vs what you are willing to compromise on?

I think knowing that will help you get opinions from posters that will help guide you better. Tailored advice, I mean.
 

lulu_ma

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~At this stone’s carat weight and it’s price point ~

what are your priorities vs what you are willing to compromise on?

I think knowing that will help you get opinions from posters that will help guide you better. Tailored advice, I mean.
This is such a tough question. For a modern cut stone F/VS2 is my sweet spot.

Maybe it’s easier to show you pics of the 2 stones that I wish I had known enough to act on.

One is a 3.31J VVS2 (I don’t need one this clean) and the other is a modern recut 4.14 I I1.

There was another pretty 4+ carat L that Sin City Finds had that someone linked to, but I’m just not convinced an L is tint free enough for me.

Cut wise, I love the flowery petal facets but it’s not a deal breaker.
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This one was a contender until I saw the video. Light obstruction? Is my instinct getting better?


This OEC is way too shallow at 50% depth/61% table. I see a big ole' fisheye, too, which is what I'd expect with that combination. Hard pass on this one, in my opinion. I would avoid the lure of a spready diamond. The extra face up size comes with a huge cost.
 

123ducklings

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Have you (or anyone here?) used the PS search? It seems like all the OECs are listed through “diamonddealfinder” and you have to contact them for pictures and info. It might be worth doing a search and reaching out.

I am not currently shopping for an OEC but I’m always interested in these threads for future project planning and I’d love to know how the PS/diamonddealfinder search works out.
 
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