Have you seen Kathy Griffin's idea of a joke.....

[redwood66]

Because you're saying one is funny and one is not.
Hanging/lynching = total cool! Big LOLZ! It was a form of execution
Beheading = BAD, big no no! It was a form of execution

LIke I said, just trying to find your line.

You aren't interested in anything about me at all so don't act like you are. I have you on ignore for a reason and I should go back to following my instincts about you.

 

[House Cat]

My idea of a good Trump joke..

 

[ame]

I think it was disgusting for sure, although to be totally honest, I've never found her funny, so I guess I have to hold my hand up to never having gotten her sense of humour. It's annoying to me that it's allowing what remains of the Trump-supporting right to clutch their pearls loudly and often enough to attempt to drown out the real, very serious issues, so in that way it was even stupider than it looks on the surface.

I am, however, slightly enjoying the hypocrisy from the 'you libs can't take a joke' crew. Remember this, discussion, Red?

I am over here kneeling before you, Zod.

Insulting someone's church hat is "uncalled for", lynching the president's likeness is in a different category.

I love this whole thing the more I think about it. Really, just the comments I've personally gotten on this thread alone are so enlightening as to the absolute disconnect between realities.

Not much calls attention to these double standards better than this kind of incident. Besides, I suppose, Nugent repeatedly threatening Obama and Clinton publicly on stage and somehow getting away with it, and somehow the White House is ok with that.

Bringing the race issue in this thread? Really? Seems someone is eager to bait but then tries to soften it with "probably not" Gimmee an effing break.

Do you really need this explained to you like you're a five year old? Enough with your willful ignorance.

Why is it that when you get called out on something or when you appear to have your feelings ruffled you resort to accusations of baiting? The lynching and burning effigies of Obama was because he was black and there is historical proof of those activities used by racists against blacks. In the comparison between the Obama lynchings and Trump beheading, race cannot be taken out of the equation.

I wasn't wrong the first time I said it out loud, and I am not wrong now. When confronted with the truth, she just digs in.

 

[redwood66]

No. I just don't conform to your ideology and how you (collective) demand someone thinks.

 

[telephone89]

You aren't interested in anything about me at all so don't act like you are. I have you on ignore for a reason and I should go back to following my instincts about you.

I am actually interested. I'm TRYING to understand how you think. But, since your only answers are deflections, it is likely that you don't even know how you think. Unless its repubs = good! dems = bad!
You are welcome to keep me on ignore, IDGAF. If someone calling you on your BS makes you uncomfortable, you probably should go back to your conservative bubble.

And people call liberals snowflakes! Hah!

 

[azstonie]

Regarding the comment made about Western culture preventing a wide outlook:

Western culture, if you read and research, is a "live and let live" culture, not an exclusionist or isolationist culture. People came to the West because they weren't completely mainstream where they were, many were not succeeding financially or socially on the East Coast or in the Midwest; they came to better their lives economically through the gold rush, agriculture and the push west of the railroad. They also came for better weather, once the railroad had gone through and word had spread of other climates in the US and there was a less risky way to get west. Some of them came to escape criminality or debt. (Psychiatrists do interesting work based on risk-taking and mental illness prevalence in the western US as opposed to the rest of the country, where the citizenry was more 'conforming.' Same things as Australia, where the English justice system sent its mentally ill and convicts.)

I'm a 3rd generation California native on my maternal side. My family, coworkers, and neighbors all had/have the live and let live attitude. We know what "rope" and "tree" means when put together and none of us have lived in the southern US either.

 

[azstonie]

No one disputes "how" you think, or what you think, btw, as you like everyone else are entitled to your opinion, but we do care and take exception if it sees the light of day around here if its expressed as racist, misogynistic or similar.

 

[AnnaH]

Granted I've not been on HO long and participate rather intermittently, but I've never seen anyone here promote violence against President Obama.
The OP states she disapproves of what KG did, and others start accusing conservatives of hypocrisy. Agree, Red, looks like baiting to me.

 

[Matata]

Agree, Red, looks like baiting to me.

Who's baiting now....

 

[Calliecake]

Anna, I don't think anyone thought what Kathy Griffin did was a good or correct thing to do. Kathy Griffin herself apologized and said she was wrong for posting the picture. It's a shame our President cannot apologize for the many awful things he has said and done. I do hold our president to a higher standard than I do a comedian and I think many of us here agree on that.

I started this thread before a Republican brought it up namely because I felt it was in terrible taste and not funny. I absolutely was not trying to bait anyone by starting this thread.

 

[AnnaH]

C, never said you started the thread in order to bait anyone. My criticism was clearly directed to those who accused posters here of hypocrisy based on nothing.

 

[jaaron]

And? I have already said the Obama effigy was uncalled for. Photos like the one she made and the effigies of Obama are disgusting. The t-shirt is still damn funny. Pics like hers and the ones of Obama get a visceral reaction.

BTW hypocrisy is rampant all around here.

Edit - And as far as the Trump people clutching pearls, none of them started this thread.

You know, I'm not trying to bait. I consider you one of the people on Pricescope with whom I agree to disagree, but I'm really trying to get my head around what feels like a fundamental unwillingness to understand here.

The last lynching in America was in 1981. I would imagine there are quite a few people in quite a few places who have an extremely visceral reaction to the very mention of it and do not, under any circumstances, consider it a topic for joking. Now, granted, I believe in the right to free speech across the board--even when I find the exercising of that right offensive, as in the case of Milo Whatever and in the case of this t-shirt (and in the case of Kathy Griffin, by the way). But I do think there is some very real hypocrisy--and a very real problem-- in announcing that something is funny and acceptable simply because it doesn't trigger you personally.

All of us are hypocritical sometimes, but now, particularly, I don't think it benefits anyone to refuse to examine that within ourselves.

 

[redwood66]

You know, I'm not trying to bait. I consider you one of the people on Pricescope with whom I agree to disagree, but I'm really trying to get my head around what feels like a fundamental unwillingness to understand here.

The last lynching in America was in 1981. I would imagine there are quite a few people in quite a few places who have an extremely visceral reaction to the very mention of it and do not, under any circumstances, consider it a topic for joking. Now, granted, I believe in the right to free speech across the board--even when I find the exercising of that right offensive, as in the case of Milo Whatever and in the case of this t-shirt (and in the case of Kathy Griffin, by the way). But I do think there is some very real hypocrisy--and a very real problem-- in announcing that something is funny and acceptable simply because it doesn't trigger you personally.

All of us are hypocritical sometimes, but now, particularly, I don't think it benefits anyone to refuse to examine that within ourselves.

With all due respect, if my thoughts on a t-shirt are "a very real problem" to you then I am sorry. There are so many other problems to be concerned about in this world why is it such a priority to you? I don't think you really believe I am a racist (others maybe but not you) but perhaps you just feel the need to "call someone out" as Matata put it. Maybe I am wrong. I don't think the two situations (KG's head pic and the t-shirt) are in the least bit comparable.

It is not an unwillingness to understand. I know perfectly well our history, better than many. But it is how someone chooses to see things that matters. If you are always looking to be offended you will always be rewarded. What an exhausting way to live.

Call out racism when it truly happens (like the effigies) otherwise one risks losing the impact that hammer has and their credibility along with it.

 

[House Cat]

Amid Griffin outrage, the left asks: What about Ted Nugent? - CNN
https://apple.news/AAvGCxTMrQl2rChQkVHrxhg

 

[AnnaH]

TN was wrong, also.

 

[redwood66]

TN was wrong, also.

Yes he was.

 

[E B]

Even if you ignore the racial issues, the shirt isn't funny because this president has done his best to turn a huge segment of the population against journalists, calling them the 'real enemy of the people." During his rallies they had to have additional safety measures because people would scream and spit at them. For what? Doing their jobs? Not giving Trump his preferred percentage of positive coverage? That's shit you'd see in a dictatorship, not the US. And, of course, just last week we had republicans APPLAUDING Gianforte for assaulting a journalist, saying the journalist got what he deserved. For asking a question. This is alarming and so beyond inappropriate for our PRESIDENT to be stoking the fire, I don't even know how anyone's able to overlook or find any of it funny.

The difference was some fake blood. Otherwise, it was entirely comparable.

 

[katharath]

This is alarming and so beyond inappropriate for our PRESIDENT to be stoking the fire, I don't even know how anyone's able to overlook or find any of it funny.

Seriously, what is wrong with so many people? It's as if almost half of America has just completely failed to evolve.

 

[monarch64]

With all due respect, if my thoughts on a t-shirt are "a very real problem" to you then I am sorry. There are so many other problems to be concerned about in this world why is it such a priority to you? I don't think you really believe I am a racist (others maybe but not you) but perhaps you just feel the need to "call someone out" as Matata put it. Maybe I am wrong. I don't think the two situations (KG's head pic and the t-shirt) are in the least bit comparable.

It is not an unwillingness to understand. I know perfectly well our history, better than many. But it is how someone chooses to see things that matters. If you are always looking to be offended you will always be rewarded. What an exhausting way to live.

Call out racism when it truly happens (like the effigies) otherwise one risks losing the impact that hammer has and their credibility along with it.

I don't think someone is a racist simply because they fail to make the connection of what a tee shirt is meant to represent. But I do think the unwillingness to admit that it is construed as offensive to many, and also make the point that you just choose not to see it that way so it's fine, comes off as privileged and dismissive.

People aren't necessarily looking to be offended. People are aware of how they treat others now, more than ever. Recognizing and calling out ideas and language that are harmful is part of the process of progression and change. I understand that that is inconvenient and tiresome for many people, though. I totally get that sometimes it goes too far and that some issues may be of greater importance to some than others; however, I certainly don't sit around guffawing about it and telling people there are more important things with which to bother. And ESPECIALLY when people are explaining to me why something is offensive. Is it so hard to simply acknowledge that something might be hurtful to someone else, state the fact that you disagree, and move on? Or, and I know this is me having those pesky super high expectations, maybe put yourself in someone else's shoes and educate yourself on why the hell things you say are offensive? That doesn't mean you have to conform to "group think," nor that you have to change your opinion, nor that your opinion deserves less respect than the next poster. It just means having a little empathy for your fellow humans. A little love and understanding, as some GD hippie probably once put it.

I'm seeing Willie Nelson this coming Monday. I can't think of another human on the planet right now who can bring together both the left and the right. He should have been POTUS. Pot smoking, long haired peace freak that lefties and righties can both agree is a phenomenal musician and songwriter. I will be thinking about you while listening, Red. I really do like you and respect you as a poster. I wish we had an easier time discussing things.

 

[telephone89]

Very well said monnie.

 

[Matata]

 

[Dancing Fire]

DH I think it is really funny that you are trying so hard to get me to see the reasons I should be horrified by Ms. Griffin's actions, when most liberals have been trying to do the same about Trump over much more important issues, for way longer.

And let's rundown what we are conserving. Family values? Ha. Health care that doesn't actively put people in danger of actual death? Definitely no. Clean air and water? Nope.

What if it was Obama's head?
Neither side have any solution to health care.

 

[Dancing Fire]

And people call liberals snowflakes! Hah!

And all Reps. are in the basket of deplorables!..

 

[Dancing Fire]

I started this thread before a Republican brought it up namely because I felt it was in terrible taste and not funny. I absolutely was not trying to bait anyone by starting this thread.

FYI, There aren't any Republicans here for you to bait...

 

[OreoRosies86]

What if it was Obama's head?
Neither side have any solution to health care.

You mean Obama's neck, depicted being hung on a sign which says ROPE instead of HOPE?

You seem flustered by my opinion DF, do you need a safe space?

 

[redwood66]

I don't think someone is a racist simply because they fail to make the connection of what a tee shirt is meant to represent. But I do think the unwillingness to admit that it is construed as offensive to many, and also make the point that you just choose not to see it that way so it's fine, comes off as privileged and dismissive.

People aren't necessarily looking to be offended. People are aware of how they treat others now, more than ever. Recognizing and calling out ideas and language that are harmful is part of the process of progression and change. I understand that that is inconvenient and tiresome for many people, though. I totally get that sometimes it goes too far and that some issues may be of greater importance to some than others; however, I certainly don't sit around guffawing about it and telling people there are more important things with which to bother. And ESPECIALLY when people are explaining to me why something is offensive. Is it so hard to simply acknowledge that something might be hurtful to someone else, state the fact that you disagree, and move on? Or, and I know this is me having those pesky super high expectations, maybe put yourself in someone else's shoes and educate yourself on why the hell things you say are offensive? That doesn't mean you have to conform to "group think," nor that you have to change your opinion, nor that your opinion deserves less respect than the next poster. It just means having a little empathy for your fellow humans. A little love and understanding, as some GD hippie probably once put it.

I'm seeing Willie Nelson this coming Monday. I can't think of another human on the planet right now who can bring together both the left and the right. He should have been POTUS. Pot smoking, long haired peace freak that lefties and righties can both agree is a phenomenal musician and songwriter. I will be thinking about you while listening, Red. I really do like you and respect you as a poster. I wish we had an easier time discussing things.

And I have none of those things because I find a saying on a t-shirt funny? Your entire post is a diatribe to tell me that I should have a bit of love and understanding based on this? Do you truly believe what you are saying to me and about me or is this just posturing for the benefit of your group?

 

[YadaYadaYada]

Here you go Monarch, for the next campaign.

 

[Calliecake]

I'll just bait you Dancing Fire!!!

 

[jaaron]

With all due respect, if my thoughts on a t-shirt are "a very real problem" to you then I am sorry. There are so many other problems to be concerned about in this world why is it such a priority to you? I don't think you really believe I am a racist (others maybe but not you) but perhaps you just feel the need to "call someone out" as Matata put it. Maybe I am wrong. I don't think the two situations (KG's head pic and the t-shirt) are in the least bit comparable.

It is not an unwillingness to understand. I know perfectly well our history, better than many. But it is how someone chooses to see things that matters. If you are always looking to be offended you will always be rewarded. What an exhausting way to live.

Call out racism when it truly happens (like the effigies) otherwise one risks losing the impact that hammer has and their credibility along with it.

Oh, believe me, I'm lying awake at night worrying about things that are very real and that apparently you think are just fine, so specifically what you think about a t-shirt isn't at the top of the list. But an atmosphere in which a president of the United States holds events that are basically hate rallies and encourages people to see a free press as an enemy? Yeah, I think that's pretty alarming. More alarming, actually, than the idiocy of a not very funny, washed-up comedian. (And being petty, what has she done to her face?)

And I actually don't think you're a racist, Red. I know we disagree on a lot of things, but I don't think that. My point was simply that I think that t-shirt is terrible for a whole lot of reasons. You think it's funny, so, in that instance, it makes it ok? Apparently someone somewhere thinks or thought the Trump severed head was funny, but you don't. Does that make it not equally ok? Are we arguing that a fake severed head is objectively worse than advocating a lynching?

Personally, I think they're essentially apples to apples. Equally repugnant but within the realm of free expression (which, by the way, is not to say that CNN doesn't have the perfect right to fire her).

 

[monarch64]

And I have none of those things because I find a saying on a t-shirt funny? Your entire post is a diatribe to tell me that I should have a bit of love and understanding based on this? Do you truly believe what you are saying to me and about me or is this just posturing for the benefit of your group?

So much second-hand embarrassment. You can do better. Put me on ignore and carry on with your willfully ignorant self.