Graff , Tiffiny or Harry Winston

[Carolynw]

Ellen, Will do. Ill start a new thread after they shop this weekend.

 

[TravelingGal]

Date: 10/18/2007 3:26:10 PM
Author: part gypsy
Whoo.

Where''s Mara with some pie when you need her?

Doncha know? That skinny woman can be predominately found on the weekly workout threads where she does not indulge in pie very often, plus some other madness about coolwhip lite.

 

[surfgirl]

TG, could you please skootch over and make some room for me on that Pie Express? I totally forgot about PIE! Can someone get me a piece of coconut cream pie with a TON of whipped cream? Thanks. Carolyn, excellent idea to make a new thread and leave this one behind. Cant wait to hear about their shopping experience(s) and hoping they enjoy the process!

 

[TravelingGal]

Date: 10/18/2007 3:55:05 PM
Author: surfgirl
TG, could you please skootch over and make some room for me on that Pie Express? I totally forgot about PIE! Can someone get me a piece of coconut cream pie with a TON of whipped cream? Thanks. Carolyn, excellent idea to make a new thread and leave this one behind. Cant wait to hear about their shopping experience(s) and hoping they enjoy the process!

Sorry, can''t skootch. I''ve eaten way too much pie while preggo and my ever growing fat patootie is taking up the entire bench.

 

[gontama]

Date: 10/18/2007 3:12:12 PM
Author: gontama

Date: 10/18/2007 2:55:18 PM
Author: whatmeworry
In Woking Hard''s defense I will point out the informal diamond survey that Leonid and James Allen did. They compared 3 stones including a deeper stone(35/41.4, HCA 5, GIA Excellent). Some people actually preferred the deep stone or could not tell the difference.

http://diamondscope.pricescope.com/?src=Jim_Survey_01.wmv

WHFSR - I apologize if the above video (have not seen) demonstrates that 35/41.4 looks ok or is even preferred by some. No I have not seen that combo in person, still made a comment based on the DiamCalc image (35/41.2). If you have seen this combo and are saying it is not like day and night, I believe you. My fault. At least I should not even have implied recommendation (not day and night) itself is so bad. Wanting an established brand is perfectly fine and if this stone is indeed nice enough (may be when set high?), it can be considered. You may be right. I also admit that you did have some good points in the past which got lost among so many posts however...

Havnig said that, I think it is still not likely the best possible choice for the price they have to pay, I would still recommend to keep looking something a little more conservative in Cartier, if possible.

Information on HCA at GOG: http://goodoldgold.com/Technologies/AConsumersGuidetotheHCA/ says Our independent research has determined that with a 35 degree crown angle, leakage is not visible to human perception until the pavilion angles reach 41.4 degrees (November 06).

Not sure if this information has any relevance to the video. This diamond in question, if it has good symmetry, may not suffer darkness under the table as much as the number implies. Light leakage will be there, but we do not see the light that leaks. You might have had these articles etc in mind and said "it is not night and day".

 

[Ellen]

gontama, I don''t think that''s what WH had in mind when he posted....

Cut plays such a part in everything...I''ve seen IS pics of 35/41 (much less going past 41) that NO ONE would buy.

And as you and I said, with so much money on the line, and no real return policy, it''s quite a gamble.

 

[Carolynw]

table 54-57%

depth 60-62%

crown angle 34-35

pavilion angle 40.6 to 41

polish and symmetry should be at least very good to excellent

So, are you saying since the angle is 41 and it''s not 41.4 and the symmetry is excellent, this might be a good stone after all?

 

[Ellen]

Now, who said pie?

 

[Ellen]

Date: 10/18/2007 4:25:06 PM
Author: Carolynw

table 54-57%

depth 60-62%

crown angle 34-35

pavilion angle 40.6 to 41

polish and symmetry should be at least very good to excellent

So, are you saying since the angle is 41 and it''s not 41.4 and the symmetry is excellent, this might be a good stone after all?

Carolyn, I''m not sure who you''re asking, or about what.

 

[diamondseeker2006]

Date: 10/16/2007 2:09:42 PM
Author: Carolynw
Cartier did more research and found this one, this is one with the two bagettes on the sides:
7.39 - 7.42 x 4.56 mm
Carat W: 1.52
Color: F
Clarity Grade VS2
Proportions:
Depth: 61.6%
Table: 58%
Girdle: Thin to Med Faceted
Cutlet: None
Finish:
Polish: Excellent
Symmetry: Excellent
Fluor: None
Additional Infor:
Crown Angle: 35 degrees
Crown Height: 15%
Pav Angle: 41.4
Pav Depth: 44%
Star length: 50%
Lower Half: 80%
Cut Grade: Excellent

Gia #14498566

Is this the one you are asking about? This was my reply about that diamond:

Carolyn, unfortunately it IS outside those guidelines. Here is what that stone gets on the HCA:

Light Return: Good
Fire: Fair
Scintillation: Fair
Spread or diameter for weight: Very Good
Total Visual Performance 4.9 - Good - Only if price is your main criterion

So in other words, this is not a great stone either. You want a score of 2 or less. I will agree with Nicrez that a stone does not have to be hearts and arrows to be beautiful.

 

[partgypsy]

I think I''ll take a slice of that pie

And yes, recommend do a part II to your adventures in assisting with diamond ring selection.

 

[whatmeworry]

Date: 10/18/2007 3:48:28 PM
Author: TravelingGal

Date: 10/18/2007 3:26:10 PM
Author: part gypsy
Whoo.

Where''s Mara with some pie when you need her?

Doncha know? That skinny woman can be predominately found on the weekly workout threads where she does not indulge in pie very often, plus some other madness about coolwhip lite.

I thought discussions of simulants was against forum rules

 

[risingsun]

Date: 10/18/2007 4:26:59 PM
Author: Ellen
Now, who said pie?

If I eat pie, does that mean I have to zip my lip

 

[Ellen]

Date: 10/18/2007 7:06:10 PM
Author: risingsun

Date: 10/18/2007 4:26:59 PM
Author: Ellen
Now, who said pie?

If I eat pie, does that mean I have to zip my lip

Yes. But don''t worry, I''m pretty confident another opportunity to unzip will arise.

Whatme, good one!

 

[TravelingGal]

Date: 10/18/2007 7:52:49 PM
Author: Ellen

Date: 10/18/2007 7:06:10 PM
Author: risingsun

Date: 10/18/2007 4:26:59 PM
Author: Ellen
Now, who said pie?

If I eat pie, does that mean I have to zip my lip

Yes. But don''t worry, I''m pretty confident another opportunity to unzip will arise.

Whatme, good one!

who says you can''t talk with your mouth full? A bit uncouth, but...

 

[Ellen]

Date: 10/18/2007 7:56:47 PM
Author: TravelingGal

Date: 10/18/2007 7:52:49 PM
Author: Ellen

Date: 10/18/2007 7:06:10 PM
Author: risingsun

Date: 10/18/2007 4:26:59 PM
Author: Ellen
Now, who said pie?

If I eat pie, does that mean I have to zip my lip

Yes. But don''t worry, I''m pretty confident another opportunity to unzip will arise.

Whatme, good one!

who says you can''t talk with your mouth full? A bit uncouth, but...

 

[Garry H (Cut Nut)]

Date: 10/18/2007 4:01:54 PM
Author: gontama

Date: 10/18/2007 3:12:12 PM
Author: gontama

Date: 10/18/2007 2:55:18 PM
Author: whatmeworry
In Woking Hard''s defense I will point out the informal diamond survey that Leonid and James Allen did. They compared 3 stones including a deeper stone(35/41.4, HCA 5, GIA Excellent). Some people actually preferred the deep stone or could not tell the difference.

http://diamondscope.pricescope.com/?src=Jim_Survey_01.wmv

WHFSR - I apologize if the above video (have not seen) demonstrates that 35/41.4 looks ok or is even preferred by some. No I have not seen that combo in person, still made a comment based on the DiamCalc image (35/41.2). If you have seen this combo and are saying it is not like day and night, I believe you. My fault. At least I should not even have implied recommendation (not day and night) itself is so bad. Wanting an established brand is perfectly fine and if this stone is indeed nice enough (may be when set high?), it can be considered. You may be right. I also admit that you did have some good points in the past which got lost among so many posts however...

Havnig said that, I think it is still not likely the best possible choice for the price they have to pay, I would still recommend to keep looking something a little more conservative in Cartier, if possible.

Information on HCA at GOG: http://goodoldgold.com/Technologies/AConsumersGuidetotheHCA/ says Our independent research has determined that with a 35 degree crown angle, leakage is not visible to human perception until the pavilion angles reach 41.4 degrees (November 06).

Not sure if this information has any relevance to the video. This diamond in question, if it has good symmetry, may not suffer darkness under the table as much as the number implies. Light leakage will be there, but we do not see the light that leaks. You might have had these articles etc in mind and said ''it is not night and day''.

That would be research using the same lighting and methodology that GIA used. Sergey, Yuri, Janak and I have already debunked that in the Australian Gemologist journal article, and we never had any response to out response to GIA''s letter to the editor.
(could somone please link to them in the journal -flat out like a lizard drinking just now)

 

[Hera]

Can I have some pie? I have been on here for three months and never had pie! and I deserve some after reading WHFSR''s posts.

 

[Sharon101]

Date: 10/18/2007 4:26:59 PM
Author: Ellen
Now, who said pie?

Ok, Im no expert here...but to my eyes that piece of pie looks like it has a really good cut. The angles look like it was cut for size and excellence...the color is perfect too.....no doubt this is a perfect piece of pie. LOL

 

[risingsun]

Date: 10/18/2007 10:38:55 PM
Author: Garry H (Cut Nut)
-flat out like a lizard drinking just now)

You might try the pie, instead

 

[solange]

Caroline,
Tiffany just advertised that they opened a new store in Manhattan. I believe it is 70 Worth Street--not sure.Since it is new and in the Wall Street area,it might be worth checking out.If they are looking to build up business, the service and selection might be a possibility. They specifically mentioned highest quality diamonds in their radio add.Just a thought.
Good luck

 

[aljdewey]

Date: 10/18/2007 6:29:28 PM
Author: whatmeworry

Date: 10/18/2007 3:48:28 PM
Author: TravelingGal

Date: 10/18/2007 3:26:10 PM
Author: part gypsy
Whoo.

Where''s Mara with some pie when you need her?

Doncha know? That skinny woman can be predominately found on the weekly workout threads where she does not indulge in pie very often, plus some other madness about coolwhip lite.

I thought discussions of simulants was against forum rules

OMG....................HAHAHAHAHHAHA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

ROTFLMAO

WMWorry.....that has to be among THE funniest things I''ve read in the last three months!

TOUCHE! I''m DYING laughing.

 

[aljdewey]

Date: 10/19/2007 12:59:22 AM
Author: Sharon101

Date: 10/18/2007 4:26:59 PM
Author: Ellen
Now, who said pie?

Ok, Im no expert here...but to my eyes that piece of pie looks like it has a really good cut. The angles look like it was cut for size and excellence...the color is perfect too.....no doubt this is a perfect piece of pie. LOL

****LMAO*****

Sharon, you''re right on the money!!!!!! Gal, I may just have to BUY you a slice!

The only question is what kind you''d like. I''ve never had blueberry before, so you may want to confirm with the baker on that because most blueberry pies are made with cultivated berries instead of wild ones, so I''d avoid that kind. No doubt I would be careful about ordering a whole blueberry pie without checking this out first because I''m pretty sure you''d be less than impressed by it.

Also, most blueberry pies are dry because of leaks in the crust, and those leaks are often caused by someone opening the oven door during the cooking process, which can also make the pie gritty. Just be really careful about those pies.

 

[Sharon101]

Date: 10/19/2007 3:40:13 PM
Author: aljdewey

Date: 10/19/2007 12:59:22 AM
Author: Sharon101

Date: 10/18/2007 4:26:59 PM
Author: Ellen
Now, who said pie?

Ok, Im no expert here...but to my eyes that piece of pie looks like it has a really good cut. The angles look like it was cut for size and excellence...the color is perfect too.....no doubt this is a perfect piece of pie. LOL

****LMAO*****

Sharon, you''re right on the money!!!!!! Gal, I may just have to BUY you a slice!

The only question is what kind you''d like. I''ve never had blueberry before, so you may want to confirm with the baker on that because most blueberry pies are made with cultivated berries instead of wild ones, so I''d avoid that kind. No doubt I would be careful about ordering a whole blueberry pie without checking this out first because I''m pretty sure you''d be less than impressed by it.

Also, most blueberry pies are dry because of leaks in the crust, and those leaks are often caused by someone opening the oven door during the cooking process, which can also make the pie gritty. Just be really careful about those pies.

ROFL

Ohhh, I would always recomend getting an independant opinion...ie. my mouth!!!! Yummmm.

But the shops are so reluctant to cut me a piece before buying.....whats up with that????

 

[solange]

Carolyn,
Just anxious to know if your SIL liked the stones at Cartier? You put in so much time and effort on her behalf and i hope she was succesful in finding what she was looking for.

 

[diamondseeker2006]

Date: 10/21/2007 8:18:03 AM
Author: solange
Carolyn,
Just anxious to know if your SIL liked the stones at Cartier? You put in so much time and effort on her behalf and i hope she was succesful in finding what she was looking for.

I am interested, too, but I strongly recommend starting a new thread since this one went off track.

 

[Ellen]

Date: 10/21/2007 9:33:49 AM
Author: diamondseeker2006

I am interested, too, but I strongly recommend starting a new thread since this one went off track.

She said she was going to.

I too am very interested to hear!

 

[diamondseeker2006]

Date: 10/21/2007 9:43:47 AM
Author: Ellen

Date: 10/21/2007 9:33:49 AM
Author: diamondseeker2006

I am interested, too, but I strongly recommend starting a new thread since this one went off track.

She said she was going to.

I too am very interested to hear!

I was just fearful that since it had been bumped back up that this thread might not die.

 

[Ellen]

Date: 10/21/2007 9:59:24 AM
Author: diamondseeker2006

I was just fearful that since it had been bumped back up that this thread might not die.

Now, why would you want this thread to die?

 

[diamondseeker2006]

Right there with you, Ellen!