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I think she''s a horrible choice for McCain - he just handed the election to Obama. I have a real problem with some of her "pro-life" policies too - against abortion even in cases of rape and incest? That position isn''t going to pull over any of Clinton''s 18 million supporters.

Also, as someone who''s supposed to be a conservative, pro-family woman, what was she doing back at work 3 DAYS after her son was born with Down''s Syndrome? I don''t think that a good mother of a 4 month old disabled child should be leaving him with other caretakers while she''s gallivanting along the campaign trail. I think someone with real "family values" would be at home taking care of her child with special needs. If she becomes VP, working 18 hour days, how much care and attention will she be giving that baby?

As far as the claim that she rode to victory in Alaska on an anti-corruption ticket - well, now she''s being investigated for corruption for trying to fire her ex-brother-in-law from the police force. Lovely.

Plus, McCain just blew his whole argument against Obama, that he doesn''t have enough experience to govern. Palin has been governor for less than two years, and before that, was mayor of a town the fraction of the size of the university I attended. If he dies in office, which is very possible (he''s had cancer 4 times) I have absolutely no confidence in Palin being able to run the country.

If he wanted to pick a female candidate, someone like Condoleeza Rice would have been brilliant. What a mistake he''s made.
 
macie, thanks for the list....saved me the time and energy.

additionally, Palin has been govenor for less than 2 years.........add inexperienced to the list.

there are only two things she and i have in common: we''re women and support 2nd amendment rights.

she represents business as usual re big business.

i would remind everyone that the office of VP has only one official duty prescribed in the US Constitution: tie break vote in the Senate. i would also remind everyone that we are voting for president. i do wish we could also vote for VP but we can''t.

mccain''s choice for VP only confirmed i won''t be voting for him.

and to think that once i liked and respected him!

movie zombie
 
Date: 8/30/2008 11:38:17 AM
Author: vespergirl
I think she''s a horrible choice for McCain - he just handed the election to Obama. I have a real problem with some of her ''pro-life'' policies too - against abortion even in cases of rape and incest? That position isn''t going to pull over any of Clinton''s 18 million supporters.

Also, as someone who''s supposed to be a conservative, pro-family woman, what was she doing back at work 3 DAYS after her son was born with Down''s Syndrome? I don''t think that a good mother of a 4 month old disabled child should be leaving him with other caretakers while she''s gallivanting along the campaign trail. I think someone with real ''family values'' would be at home taking care of her child with special needs. If she becomes VP, working 18 hour days, how much care and attention will she be giving that baby?

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If he wanted to pick a female candidate, someone like Condoleeza Rice would have been brilliant. What a mistake he''s made.
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I agree with the highlighted part, which makes all the media talk of McCain''s choice as some sort of ploy to woo Hillary supporters most likely far from the truth. I think she''s free, as are all women, to view abortion in which ever way her moral compass guides her. I don''t think women should be praised or criticized for their personal beliefs about abortion simply because they are women. (Not saying you did this, just generally I think some pro-life women are looked down upon by pro-choice women as somehow betraying their gender).

I don''t think conservative or pro-family views necessarily correlate with time taken off work after the birth of a baby with Downs Syndrome...I doubt anyone would ask a man why they returned to work after such an event. If she were a man no one would be asking questions about who would be taking care of her baby while she''s at the White House. It just goes to show how much work women have left to be viewed equally alongside men in the world. Female CEOs of Fortune 500 companies, other political leaders, and other professionals manage this all the time...I don''t understand why there is a different standard for men vs. women? I would assume that her husband/nanny/etc. is taking care of her children along with her and I''m not going to judge her as not a "good mother"; many women return to work very soon after giving birth due to a myriad of circumstances and conditions. Just not a dealbreaker for me.

Picking ANYONE from the Bush administration would''ve been suicide for McCain as he tries to distance himself from the Obama campaign''s coloring of the election of McCain as four more years of Bush.
 
Just a thought...I don''t think McCain is going after Clinton''s supporters; I think he''s going after Ron Paul''s.

Not a bad move on his part, actually. She certainly rubs me the wrong way, but I wouldn''t be voting for him anyhow no matter who the VP is. I do think that he just picked up a lot of the libertarian vote, though...interesting.
 

Date: 8/30/2008 12:00:25 PM

Author: movie zombie

mccain''s choice for VP only confirmed i won''t be voting for him.

and to think that once i liked and respected him!
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Well, I would say that this post speaks for me, too, but there wasn''t a chance I would be voting for Mr. McCain anyway. I just think that he made a dreadful choice in a runnng mate, which now doesn''t surprise me.

I have learned a lot more about him since he has been the Republican presidential candidate. But your posting does remind me that I, also, once respected him. One can even look in the Pricescope archives to see how I praised him for what was, then, his principled stand on torture. As a candidate, he has done a lot of flip flopping. John Kerry was right; before he debates Barack Obama John McCain the Senator had better debate John McCain the candidate! Bad tempered and misogynistic personally, unreliable politically, he has been a bitter disappointment to me. And then there are his Bush policies!!!


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I 100% agree with both IndyGirl's and LadyPirate's posts.

My immediate thought was that McCain might be going for the libertarian vote, not the Hillary vote--there is simply no way that women who support Hillary would support a woman like Palin. She's the polar opposite of Hillary. There are so many things about Palin that libertarians find appealing--she's against the politican machine, she's far-removed from DC, she's a blue-collar woman whose husband still lives a blue-collar life, she has a history of significantly cutting spending and she fully supports Ron Paul. Still, I think it would be difficult for libertarians to vote for her because there are still some very key issues that we can't get behind. Libertarians are predominantly anti-war, so that is a huge red flag for us. Also, the pro-life stance can be an issue...we tend to be anti Roe vs. Wade, but not pro-life...again, this is an isntance where the government butts its head into a place where we don't feel it belongs. The separation of church and state issue is a big one as well, which is why the creationism stance is unappealing.

I think the bottom line is that libertarians are not going to vote for McCain, even if his running mate is probably the best option he could choose (from a libertarian's POV). There are still way too many vast differences between Republicans and Libertarians. Still, this is the closest I've come to considering switching my vote.
 
Date: 8/29/2008 7:47:59 PM
Author: Macie



I can honestly say if McCain had not chose her as a running mate I might have voted for him. I honestly can not stand Sarah Palin politics.
The top 11 things you should know about Sarah Palin:


2) She strongly supports big oil (her husband even works for an oil company)

8) She supports drilling in the Arctic National Wildlife Refuge and anywhere else big oil wants




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since when was it illegal to work for an oil co.?
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you want us to depend on more foreign oil?
 
New England Lady, i participate on another forum which is probably not PC here and very male oriented, male libertarian oriented to be specific......and they are uniformily stating they''re going to vote mccain. heavy heavy sigh.

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Date: 8/30/2008 3:32:18 PM
Author: Dancing Fire

Date: 8/29/2008 7:47:59 PM
Author: Macie




I can honestly say if McCain had not chose her as a running mate I might have voted for him. I honestly can not stand Sarah Palin politics.
The top 11 things you should know about Sarah Palin:


2) She strongly supports big oil (her husband even works for an oil company)


8) She supports drilling in the Arctic National Wildlife Refuge and anywhere else big oil wants





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since when was it illegal to work for an oil co.?
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you want us to depend on more foreign oil?
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Exactly. To a Democrat, it''s like the Exxon Valdez runs aground everyday. Evil, evil oil companies. We should banish them. Let''s all ride bicycles instead. Read by candlelight. Now if we could just find some way to run our computers. . . I know! We''ll harness our own hot air and blow into a tube like Stephen Hawking! There. See. I fixed our energy and pollution problems. Someone call Barak; maybe he''ll give me a spot in his Cabinet!
 
Indygirl,

Excellent point re: the comment about Palin going back to soon after having her last child. We don''t know the care the child is receiving, and it''s very much a pointed comment toward a woman that would never be heard of being said to a man in the same situation.

Hardcore Hillary followers definitely won''t be following after Palin at this point. However (and unfortunately), there were many Hillary supporters this election year who swayed to Hillary''s side for the purpose of having a woman in that role of power, and not based so much on her views or plans. Not a wise way to vote in my opinion, but there it is, never the less. So, those voters are "up for grabs" at this point, indeed.

The VP debates will be interesting; Palin has a record up to this point of not getting into the smear tactics, but then also is staunch and stands firm on her ideas. I wonder if the term "barracuda" will be unleashed on her again.

This is a running mate who indeed has grabbed the attention of Ron Paul supporters. I don''t know if it will pan out to a vote for McCain, as who he''s chosen as VP doesn''t change the views he holds (we can only hope that there may be SOME level of an effect at some point down the 4 year line...), by those who were behind Ron Paul based on his constitutional campaign, though.
 
This is *kind of* unrelated, but, as a parent of 2 school age kids I can say that creationism IS taught in the public school system. It is taught as a theory just like evolution. I, personally, do not at all believe that this is overstepping the boundaries of the separation between church and state. There is nobody telling kids what they must believe. Two theories are simply presented. I dunno if it is taught everywhere, but, here in liberal ol'' CA it sure as heck is. And it has been taught at 4 different schools and during a span of 18 years. It wasn''t an isolated incident. I''m simply basing this on my own high school education as well as my children''s elementary and middle school educations. Anyway, it''s something to think about.

And I''m not sure why Palin would be judged on getting back to work within a few days of having a baby. As Indy said, nobody questions when a man does. We try to be so ''progressive'' as a society and then I hear things like that and think we haven''t come as far as I thought. A woman''s place is in the home barefoot and pregnant, no? LOL!

And seriously, who really is pro-war!? Nobody WANTS to go to war. It''s unfortunate, but, wars are a necessity. Pick up a history book. Wars have gone on throughout history. Our own freedom and life as we know it are BECAUSE of war. Anyone want to go back to life before the Civil War?
 
Date: 8/30/2008 6:38:11 PM
Author: fisherofmengirly
Indygirl,

Excellent point re: the comment about Palin going back to soon after having her last child. We don''t know the care the child is receiving, and it''s very much a pointed comment toward a woman that would never be heard of being said to a man in the same situation.

Hardcore Hillary followers definitely won''t be following after Palin at this point. However (and unfortunately), there were many Hillary supporters this election year who swayed to Hillary''s side for the purpose of having a woman in that role of power, and not based so much on her views or plans. Not a wise way to vote in my opinion, but there it is, never the less. So, those voters are ''up for grabs'' at this point, indeed.

The VP debates will be interesting; Palin has a record up to this point of not getting into the smear tactics, but then also is staunch and stands firm on her ideas. I wonder if the term ''barracuda'' will be unleashed on her again.

This is a running mate who indeed has grabbed the attention of Ron Paul supporters. I don''t know if it will pan out to a vote for McCain, as who he''s chosen as VP doesn''t change the views he holds (we can only hope that there may be SOME level of an effect at some point down the 4 year line...), by those who were behind Ron Paul based on his constitutional campaign, though.
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I agree...some voters will always vote for someone simply because of their gender, race, view on ONE issue, etc. The joys of democracy!
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I just think it''s funny how all the news sites/channels act like McCain will get a huge rush of Hillary supporters on his side now...just not giving Hillary''s supporters enough credit IMHO.
 
Miranda, I had no idea. What part of California are you in? I''m in S.F. and haven''t heard of it being taught here in the city. But who knows.
 
Southern CA. The standards should be the same for all of CA I believe.
 
Date: 8/30/2008 9:08:14 PM
Author: Miranda
This is *kind of* unrelated, but, as a parent of 2 school age kids I can say that creationism IS taught in the public school system. It is taught as a theory just like evolution. I, personally, do not at all believe that this is overstepping the boundaries of the separation between church and state. There is nobody telling kids what they must believe. Two theories are simply presented. I dunno if it is taught everywhere, but, here in liberal ol'' CA it sure as heck is. And it has been taught at 4 different schools and during a span of 18 years. It wasn''t an isolated incident. I''m simply basing this on my own high school education as well as my children''s elementary and middle school educations. Anyway, it''s something to think about.

And I''m not sure why Palin would be judged on getting back to work within a few days of having a baby. As Indy said, nobody questions when a man does. We try to be so ''progressive'' as a society and then I hear things like that and think we haven''t come as far as I thought. A woman''s place is in the home barefoot and pregnant, no? LOL!

And seriously, who really is pro-war!? Nobody WANTS to go to war. It''s unfortunate, but, wars are a necessity. Pick up a history book. Wars have gone on throughout history. Our own freedom and life as we know it are BECAUSE of war. Anyone want to go back to life before the Civil War?
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And I think that''s the way it should be. Both are theory''s until there is definitive proof one direction or another. Goverment should not have the right to say one scientific theory is allowed and another scientific theory is not. Its not their call. As long as the teaching sticks with the science of things.


Also diamond seeker had a good point. Palins husband worked for BP in the oil fields as a blue collar laborer. He''s not some high up executive. Just like a good number of Alaskans. That''s a huge industry for the people of Alaska. Here is an article from an Anchorage paper on Todd Palin.

http://dwb.adn.com/news/politics/story/8924080p-8824177c.html
 
Vesper, I do not disagree that she was a potentially bad choice. There are many more experienced women he might have chosen. He would never chose Condi though as she is too associated with Bush and he would never want to highlight that connection. A shame, because she is very smart and has experience.

A VP not having as much experience is not AS worrisome as the President not having it, but in this case who knows if she might ever have to be President...Reagan was about that age and he did served 8 years...it is not a given he will not survive, many people that age are healthy and vital. But it makes things more interesting as I cannot see her as President no matter what but I COULD see someone like Biden stepping up.
 
Date: 8/31/2008 11:01:10 AM
Author: diamondfan
Vesper, I do not disagree that she was a potentially bad choice. There are many more experienced women he might have chosen. He would never chose Condi though as she is too associated with Bush and he would never want to highlight that connection. A shame, because she is very smart and has experience.

A VP not having as much experience is not AS worrisome as the President not having it, but in this case who knows if she might ever have to be President...Reagan was about that age and he did served 8 years...it is not a given he will not survive, many people that age are healthy and vital. But it makes things more interesting as I cannot see her as President no matter what but I COULD see someone like Biden stepping up.
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I agree that a President should have more experience.

But doesn''t a Governor have better qualifications to run a country (since a state is like a mini country) than a Junior Senator?

What has Obama bought to the table? Even Biden questioned his leadership capabilities during the primaries, but now he''s sucking up to him because he got the VP nod? He talks about change, but he never defines his strategy. BS rhetoric.

I would rather have my #2 person as the "inexperienced" person rather than the #1 person "inexperienced" on the ticket.
Being the President is not "on-the-job" training...........besides he''s going to tax the cr*p out of everyone so he can give away $$ to people with their hands out. We live in the Detroit area and we see people expecting handouts everyday.. our Democratic Governor can''t keep businesses in Michigan and our Democratic Mayor has been indicted on fraud and perjury charges. Yes, it IS time for a change in more ways than one.

I''m not for one party or the other, but I feel McCain has been through war, understands the pain and suffering and has the experience to navigate thru the mess in the Middle East and to move our country forward.
 
The bottom line is that if experience were a requisite for Pres. or VP, nobody would vote for Obama. Inexperience is now on both sides of the ticket, just in different capacities.
 
Date: 8/31/2008 1:51:57 PM
Author: lovewhitediamonds
But doesn''t a Governor have better qualifications to run a country (since a state is like a mini country) than a Junior Senator?
She''s been a Governor for less than two years. As far as I''m concerned, she''s still on a tricycle in that regard.

What has Obama bought to the table? Even Biden questioned his leadership capabilities during the primaries, but now he''s sucking up to him because he got the VP nod? He talks about change, but he never defines his strategy. BS rhetoric.
I wish Moon wasn''t out of town, she''s better versed in what he''s done than I am.

I would rather have my #2 person as the ''inexperienced'' person rather than the #1 person ''inexperienced'' on the ticket.
In agreeance, BUT I''d rather have an inexperienced person over an overly emotional experienced guy who flies off the handle whenever he feels like it.

Being the President is not ''on-the-job'' training...........besides he''s going to tax the cr*p out of everyone so he can give away $$ to people with their hands out. We live in the Detroit area and we see people expecting handouts everyday.. our Democratic Governor can''t keep businesses in Michigan and our Democratic Mayor has been indicted on fraud and perjury charges. Yes, it IS time for a change in more ways than one.
Quite the contrary, there is no "President in Training" school, there is only one president at any given time, and truly nothing can prepare any one person for anything and everything they will have to face while in office. It is, by definition an on the job learning experience. Sounds to me like you''ve actually chosen sides, being that you''re bashing all of the Democrats in your area.

I''m not for one party or the other, but I feel McCain has been through war, understands the pain and suffering and has the experience to navigate thru the mess in the Middle East and to move our country forward.
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Date: 8/31/2008 2:18:29 PM
Author: FrekeChild

Date: 8/31/2008 1:51:57 PM
Author: lovewhitediamonds
But doesn''t a Governor have better qualifications to run a country (since a state is like a mini country) than a Junior Senator?
She''s been a Governor for less than two years. As far as I''m concerned, she''s still on a tricycle in that regard.

What has Obama bought to the table? Even Biden questioned his leadership capabilities during the primaries, but now he''s sucking up to him because he got the VP nod? He talks about change, but he never defines his strategy. BS rhetoric.
I wish Moon wasn''t out of town, she''s better versed in what he''s done than I am.

I would rather have my #2 person as the ''inexperienced'' person rather than the #1 person ''inexperienced'' on the ticket.
In agreeance, BUT I''d rather have an inexperienced person over an overly emotional experienced guy who flies off the handle whenever he feels like it.

Being the President is not ''on-the-job'' training...........besides he''s going to tax the cr*p out of everyone so he can give away $$ to people with their hands out. We live in the Detroit area and we see people expecting handouts everyday.. our Democratic Governor can''t keep businesses in Michigan and our Democratic Mayor has been indicted on fraud and perjury charges. Yes, it IS time for a change in more ways than one.
Quite the contrary, there is no ''President in Training'' school, there is only one president at any given time, and truly nothing can prepare any one person for anything and everything they will have to face while in office. It is, by definition an on the job learning experience. Sounds to me like you''ve actually chosen sides, being that you''re bashing all of the Democrats in your area.

I''m not for one party or the other, but I feel McCain has been through war, understands the pain and suffering and has the experience to navigate thru the mess in the Middle East and to move our country forward.
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I''m not bashing -- it''s a statement of fact that cannot be denied. Our Democratic elected officials have failed us in the state of Michigan --- as Bush has for the rest of the country.

Experience, and the lack thereof plays a huge role in decision-making, for me, experience is vital for the Commander in Cheif.

BTW, Obama is on the same tricyle that Palin is on.................
 
Date: 8/31/2008 1:51:57 PM
Author: lovewhitediamonds

Date: 8/31/2008 11:01:10 AM
Author: diamondfan
Vesper, I do not disagree that she was a potentially bad choice. There are many more experienced women he might have chosen. He would never chose Condi though as she is too associated with Bush and he would never want to highlight that connection. A shame, because she is very smart and has experience.

A VP not having as much experience is not AS worrisome as the President not having it, but in this case who knows if she might ever have to be President...Reagan was about that age and he did served 8 years...it is not a given he will not survive, many people that age are healthy and vital. But it makes things more interesting as I cannot see her as President no matter what but I COULD see someone like Biden stepping up.
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I agree that a President should have more experience.

But doesn''t a Governor have better qualifications to run a country (since a state is like a mini country) than a Junior Senator?

What has Obama bought to the table? Even Biden questioned his leadership capabilities during the primaries, but now he''s sucking up to him because he got the VP nod? He talks about change, but he never defines his strategy. BS rhetoric.

I would rather have my #2 person as the ''inexperienced'' person rather than the #1 person ''inexperienced'' on the ticket.
Being the President is not ''on-the-job'' training...........besides he''s going to tax the cr*p out of everyone so he can give away $$ to people with their hands out. We live in the Detroit area and we see people expecting handouts everyday.. our Democratic Governor can''t keep businesses in Michigan and our Democratic Mayor has been indicted on fraud and perjury charges. Yes, it IS time for a change in more ways than one.

I''m not for one party or the other, but I feel McCain has been through war, understands the pain and suffering and has the experience to navigate thru the mess in the Middle East and to move our country forward.
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I am a republican and proud of it. I''m looking forward to this election because I actually am interested in what everyone has to say because for once I''m actually on the fence!

On the surface I like Palin (although I strongly disagree with her social agenda). However McCain''s choice in her bugs me. I know he has to get himself elected, but this just seems so entirely a STRATEGY move. It''s not the best decision for what is best for this country should something happen to him. Is he thinking of the welfare of the country first or himself?

However, I admit, I hope that she really tears it up in the next couple of months because it''s always fun to prove the media wrong.
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Welcome to the minority party here on PS, TGal!

Does surfgirl know this about you?
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TGal, I am totally for McCain at this point, and think a Governor would have more experience than a Junior Senator, just time wise she has not been in the political world as long and Alaska is huge state land mass wise but much less populated than Illinois. Again, I am not saying she can''t rise to the occasion. I just think she might have been a long shot choice. I laugh that Biden got chosen when he was quite vocal about Obama''s lack of experience. But no one can question Biden has tons of experience, decades of it. I hope Palin proves to be a good choice. My only point was better the VP be greener than the President himself.
 
Date: 8/31/2008 2:38:09 PM
Author: TravelingGal

I am a republican and proud of it. I''m looking forward to this election because I actually am interested in what everyone has to say because for once I''m actually on the fence!
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The thing I like most about Palin is her stance on social issues. That and the fact that she''s not backed down from her core beliefs as a person and as an elected official.


I think that''s something that happens far too little these days. No matter what team you''re swinging on.
 
Date: 8/31/2008 8:53:42 PM
Author: fisherofmengirly
The thing I like most about Palin is her stance on social issues. That and the fact that she''s not backed down from her core beliefs as a person and as an elected official.


I think that''s something that happens far too little these days. No matter what team you''re swinging on.
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I think that this is why people find her to be refreshing--you certainly don''t get the sense that she is a different woman behind the cameras than she is in front of them.

This day in age it''s so rare to find a politician vying the Pres. or VP position that hasn''t been plotting it since the age of five. I can only thing of a small handful of politicians who would say "if Alaska wanted a bridge, we would build it ourselves" (as Palin stated about the Bridge to Nowhere). I''m very interested to see how the next couple of months unfold, I think she''ll be able to hold her own in any debate.
 
Huh...Link

Someone is making the claim that Palin''s 16 year old daughter had the Down Syndrome baby, and Palin *faked* her "pregnancy".

They give a lot of pictorial evidence.

Wow...
 

Date: 8/31/2008 9:19:34 PM

Author: FrekeChild

Someone is making the claim that Palin's 16 year old daughter had the Down Syndrome baby, and Palin *faked* her 'pregnancy'.
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I have no idea if it is true. I do not think that anyone should have to hide a pregnacy, because I do not think that any child is illegitimate. I do not like the message that women should have to hide pregnancies. On the other hand, if this is true, I have a fellow feeling for Ms. Palin for the first time. These things happen to mothers who try to raise their children morally. I happen to be pro-choice and would be able to discuss the option of abortion with my daughter, but Ms. Palin is not. My daughter's best friend is pregnant (at 16) and she is going to to be having the baby and keeping it. I suspect her parents (her mother is only 32) will have a hand in raising this child like a fourth one of her own. I can relate to this. And, yes, I am a Democrat.


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Interesting.
I don''t think I buy it.

To me, it is clear she has a belly in the video of her hiking. The rest can be chalked up to good angles. Why no pictures of her standing sideways so we can see her profile?
Not everyone who is pregnant blows up 50 lbs. Look at Nicole Kidman. This is obviously a woman who likes to stay fit.
Also, the pictures of her daughter and her pouch that they are pretty much using as evidence of her being pregnant? That''s just silly. I have a belly just like hers and last I checked I''m not knocked up.
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Plus if it was some big secret, why didn''t her mother have her wear a parka or something?

Yeah...I don''t think I buy it. But it will be interesting to see if it becomes a big issue.
 
I don''t even know what to think of it Deb, but they paint a pretty convincing picture of it. I just thought other people might be interested...
 
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