Female Mccain''s VP pick

[Loves Vintage]

Date: 8/29/2008 5:03:59 PM
Author: MoonWater

Date: 8/29/2008 5:00:36 PM
Author: Loves Vintage
Oh, I received it in an e-mail from this group:

http://www.defendersactionfund.org/

Thanks. I mean...wow...if all that is true...it''s just far too easy to attack.

I know -- easy to attack, yes, but they will just say that we have to drill and try to convince people that we do and that it would make a difference if we did . . . .

 

[NewEnglandLady]

Date: 8/29/2008 4:45:02 PM
Author: Loves Vintage
Just received this:

To follow is a statement by Rodger Schlickeisen, president of Defenders of Wildlife Action Fund.

“Senator McCain’s choice for a running mate is beyond belief. By choosing Sarah Palin, McCain has clearly made a decision to continue the Bush legacy of destructive environmental policies.

“Sarah Palin, whose husband works for BP (formerly British Petroleum), has repeatedly put special interests first when it comes to the environment. In her scant two years as governor, she has lobbied aggressively to open up the Arctic National Wildlife Refuge to drilling, pushed for more drilling off of Alaska’s coasts, and put special interests above science. Ms. Palin has made it clear through her actions that she is unwilling to do even as much as the Bush administration to address the impacts of global warming. Her most recent effort has been to sue the U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service to remove the polar bear from the endangered species list, putting Big Oil before sound science. As unbelievable as this may sound, this actually puts her to the right of the Bush administration.

“This is Senator McCain’s first significant choice in building his executive team and it’s a bad one. It has to raise serious doubts in the minds of voters about John McCain’s commitment to conservation, to addressing the impacts of global warming and to ensuring our country ends its dependency on oil.”

Can't wait for the debates!!

Wait a minute...she's smart, strong, anti-tyranny, from Alaska and MIGHT have a backbone to stand up to environmentalist (something no republican can seem to muster)? She may be in contention with Ron Paul to be my favorite politician.

 

[Dancing Fire]

Date: 8/29/2008 1:49:25 PM
Author: trillionaire

Date: 8/29/2008 12:57:44 PM
Author: joflier
I think another big push for her is due to all her work with the natural gas pipeline. As natural resources are significant issue for this election, as well.

So do you think McCain made a deal with her? I will choose you as VP if you let me drill in your backyard???

don''t think so....what can he do with a 72 yr old drill.

 

[miraclesrule]

I don''t know anything about this woman, but I will say that I expected a bold choice and I certainly think she fits the bill. This gives his campaign a lot of new momentum whereas I think Obama''s choice has the potential to put the brakes on his campaign. Let the games begin. This will be an interesting election year.

 

[joflier]

Date: 8/29/2008 5:56:14 PM
Author: Dancing Fire

Date: 8/29/2008 1:49:25 PM
Author: trillionaire

Date: 8/29/2008 12:57:44 PM
Author: joflier
I think another big push for her is due to all her work with the natural gas pipeline. As natural resources are significant issue for this election, as well.

So do you think McCain made a deal with her? I will choose you as VP if you let me drill in your backyard???

don''t think so....what can he do with a 72 yr old drill.

Heehee....
Well, ya know, technology nowadays........

 

[joflier]

Date: 8/29/2008 1:49:25 PM
Author: trillionaire

Date: 8/29/2008 12:57:44 PM
Author: joflier
I think another big push for her is due to all her work with the natural gas pipeline. As natural resources are significant issue for this election, as well.

So do you think McCain made a deal with her? I will choose you as VP if you let me drill in your backyard???

Probably not, cuz she wants that anyways.

 

[MoonWater]

Date: 8/29/2008 5:56:14 PM
Author: Dancing Fire

Date: 8/29/2008 1:49:25 PM

Author: trillionaire

Date: 8/29/2008 12:57:44 PM

Author: joflier

I think another big push for her is due to all her work with the natural gas pipeline. As natural resources are significant issue for this election, as well.

So do you think McCain made a deal with her? I will choose you as VP if you let me drill in your backyard???

don''t think so....what can he do with a 72 yr old drill.

LMAO!! Oh you are bad! Just bad!!!

 

[miraclesrule]

Ha....that was funny...

 

[luckystar112]

I wonder what Hilary thinks of McCains pick.

I think if I were her I''d be feeling a little down right now. Palin has already made it higher up the political ladder than her and she''s virtually a nobody.

 

[angel_nieves]

I can honestly say if McCain had not chose her as a running mate I might have voted for him. I honestly can not stand Sarah Palin politics.
The top 11 things you should know about Sarah Palin:

1) She is presently under investigation in Alaska for abuse of power

2) She strongly supports big oil (her husband even works for an oil company)

3) She stands for everything that Hillary Clinton stood against

4) She is adamantly opposed to reproductive rights for women

5) She has no federal or international experience & has only been mayor of a small town and a beauty queen!

6) She believes global warming is a farce and is opposed to listing the polar bear as an endangered species

7) She believes creationism should be taught in public schools

She supports drilling in the Arctic National Wildlife Refuge and anywhere else big oil wants

9) She supports Pebble Mine which will destroy the richest salmon run in the world

10) She supports aerial shooting of bears and wolves in Alaska

11) She is pro-war

 

[diamondfan]

We have to make some choices.

I think we 100% must find alternative fuels. I am sure there are people in think tanks doing so right now. I know we must reduce our dependcies on foreign oil no matter what. And we need to use some of our oil in the meanwhile to get us over the hump while other sources are being found and perfected. A lot of this is money and big business related.

I hate the whining that occurs when people want their big cars, they want everything dirt cheap, they want to get in their big cars and go where ever they want whenever they want and not pay a lot at the pump, they do not want to use foreign oil but they do not want to drill, they do not support the use of nuclear energy though it is used in Europe and Asia...(France and Japan)...they do not do the things that are easy in terms of conservation or greening or environmentally helpful things...we want it all and we want NOT to sacrifice one darned thing. It cannot work that way. You cannot make an omelette without breaking eggs. Of course I have no set answers I wish I did, but I know smart minds are looking for answers. No one thing is going to be perfect. Facts can be skewed and twisted and I think it is interesting to have chosen her but I remain willing to learn more. I am pro choice and more liberal but I am a woman and a mom, and I have respect for her. I also think it will be tough to move 5 kids to Washington, including a newborn with Downs. A lot to think about.

 

[miraclesrule]

Whoa Macie,

Tell us how you really feel?

Actually, that list is very troubling for me. As well as a quote I read today that she made. I found it odd. I will try to find it.

I have issue with anyone who is "connected" to big oil, as I believe their agenda may be suspect.

Anti-choice troubles me tremendously. Not as a personal choice mind you. I wish that nobody ever found themselves in a position to make that emotionally wrenching choice, but would never expect anyone to support a law that would take away anyone's choice over their own body.

Heck, I can think of far worse things most Americans do to their bodies that undermines our strength as a country, than having an abortion.

 

[joflier]

Date: 8/29/2008 7:47:59 PM
Author: Macie



I can honestly say if McCain had not chose her as a running mate I might have voted for him. I honestly can not stand Sarah Palin politics.
The top 11 things you should know about Sarah Palin:

1) She is presently under investigation in Alaska for abuse of power

2) She strongly supports big oil (her husband even works for an oil company)

3) She stands for everything that Hillary Clinton stood against

4) She is adamantly opposed to reproductive rights for women

5) She has no federal or international experience & has only been mayor of a small town and a beauty queen!

6) She believes global warming is a farce and is opposed to listing the polar bear as an endangered species

7) She believes creationism should be taught in public schools

She supports drilling in the Arctic National Wildlife Refuge and anywhere else big oil wants

9) She supports Pebble Mine which will destroy the richest salmon run in the world

10) She supports aerial shooting of bears and wolves in Alaska

11) She is pro-war

I'm just going to post my own thoughts on a couple of these.....mind you, I'm not hugely politically savy, but here goes anyway

#2. Her big supports is for more U.S. oil. Our country as a whole is oil dependant. That's nothing new. And that probably will not change for decades to come, if ever. It may lessen some over time with newer technology, but its not going away. Not just cars, heating our homes, but I'm a midwest gal - so I'm thinking too, of all the fuel needed for our farm machinery to produce and harvest food, another big resource....that being said, if we're going to be using oil, shouldn't we at least be getting as much as possible from ourselves? That's more money (which equals jobs) for our own people and country, instead of paying through the nose to the middle east?

#6. The polar bear population is at its highest ever in Alaska - and the same government that wants to make more restrictions on the endangered list with them, has currently issued 25% more polar bear gaming permits......double standard?

#7. I believe in creation. I do not believe in evolution. But yet I was forced to learn all about evolution in school. There are kids that believe in evolution and those that believe in creation. There is science that can back either one......who has the right to say one can be taught, and one can't?

 

[MoonWater]

Date: 8/29/2008 7:43:04 PM
Author: luckystar112
I wonder what Hilary thinks of McCains pick.


I think if I were her I''d be feeling a little down right now. Palin has already made it higher up the political ladder than her and she''s virtually a nobody.

Hahaha I said that ALL DAY! I feared for the woman''s life (Palin, not Clinton''s). I said, can you imagine if something happens to McCain in office and this "nobody" is instantly President. Hillary will have a freaking fit. She may go to the White House and kill that woman! Poor Hillary.

 

[angel_nieves]

Miraclesrule I get very verbal about politics.

Besides all the worries that I posted I am really worried about the allegation of her abusing her power.

This is too worrisome!!
http://www.ktva.com/ci_10026165

 

[MoonWater]

Date: 8/29/2008 7:47:59 PM
Author: Macie


I can honestly say if McCain had not chose her as a running mate I might have voted for him. I honestly can not stand Sarah Palin politics.

The top 11 things you should know about Sarah Palin:



1) She is presently under investigation in Alaska for abuse of power

2) She strongly supports big oil (her husband even works for an oil company)

3) She stands for everything that Hillary Clinton stood against

4) She is adamantly opposed to reproductive rights for women

5) She has no federal or international experience & has only been mayor of a small town and a beauty queen!

6) She believes global warming is a farce and is opposed to listing the polar bear as an endangered species

7) She believes creationism should be taught in public schools

She supports drilling in the Arctic National Wildlife Refuge and anywhere else big oil wants

9) She supports Pebble Mine which will destroy the richest salmon run in the world

10) She supports aerial shooting of bears and wolves in Alaska

11) She is pro-war

Well, not that I was planning to vote for him anyway, but damn. Any sources? I like to pass this stuff along.

 

[MoonWater]

Date: 8/29/2008 7:52:25 PM
Author: diamondfan

I hate the whining that occurs when people want their big cars, they want everything dirt cheap, they want to get in their big cars and go where ever they want whenever they want and not pay a lot at the pump, they do not want to use foreign oil but they do not want to drill, they do not support the use of nuclear energy though it is used in Europe and Asia...(France and Japan)...they do not do the things that are easy in terms of conservation or greening or environmentally helpful things...we want it all and we want NOT to sacrifice one darned thing.

All of the above is probably my biggest complaint of all with so many in this country. I just don''t get it.

 

[miraclesrule]

I hear you Macie, I am fairly passionate about politics....well, about most things really. If I care about something at all, I care about it 110%

The abuse of power is troubling. I never know for sure if the charges are politically motivated or not, so I like to reserve judgement until I have more facts. Yet, I have seen it, time and time again, when I worked in government and it would be a definate dealbreaker for me if I even sniffed an agenda behind her position that benefited special interests over the long term interests of our nation and our standing in the global community.

I am a humanist I think. I used to think I was an idealist, but I guess I am a lot of things, depending on the issue and the day. I just know that we need someone in high office who is committed to developing our human potential and survival and not short term monetary gains for their political ambitions.

 

[miraclesrule]

Date: 8/29/2008 8:32:14 PM
Author: MoonWater

Date: 8/29/2008 7:52:25 PM
Author: diamondfan

I hate the whining that occurs when people want their big cars, they want everything dirt cheap, they want to get in their big cars and go where ever they want whenever they want and not pay a lot at the pump, they do not want to use foreign oil but they do not want to drill, they do not support the use of nuclear energy though it is used in Europe and Asia...(France and Japan)...they do not do the things that are easy in terms of conservation or greening or environmentally helpful things...we want it all and we want NOT to sacrifice one darned thing.

All of the above is probably my biggest complaint of all with so many in this country. I just don''t get it.

Word...to both of you. We have far too many "sheltered" Americans who have a world view that consists of 3-minute sound bites from our joke of a media. ::::heavy sigh:::::::

 

[angel_nieves]

Date: 8/29/2008 8:25:43 PM
Author: joflier

Date: 8/29/2008 7:47:59 PM
Author: Macie




I can honestly say if McCain had not chose her as a running mate I might have voted for him. I honestly can not stand Sarah Palin politics.
The top 11 things you should know about Sarah Palin:

1) She is presently under investigation in Alaska for abuse of power

2) She strongly supports big oil (her husband even works for an oil company)

3) She stands for everything that Hillary Clinton stood against

4) She is adamantly opposed to reproductive rights for women

5) She has no federal or international experience & has only been mayor of a small town and a beauty queen!

6) She believes global warming is a farce and is opposed to listing the polar bear as an endangered species

7) She believes creationism should be taught in public schools

She supports drilling in the Arctic National Wildlife Refuge and anywhere else big oil wants

9) She supports Pebble Mine which will destroy the richest salmon run in the world

10) She supports aerial shooting of bears and wolves in Alaska

11) She is pro-war

I''m just going to post my own thoughts on a couple of these.....mind you, I''m not hugely politically savy, but here goes anyway

#2. Her big supports is for more U.S. oil. Our country as a whole is oil dependant. That''s nothing new. And that probably will not change for decades to come, if ever. It may lessen some over time with newer technology, but its not going away. Not just cars, heating our homes, but I''m a midwest gal - so I''m thinking too, of all the fuel needed for our farm machinery to produce and harvest food, another big resource....that being said, if we''re going to be using oil, shouldn''t we at least be getting as much as possible from ourselves? That''s more money (which equals jobs) for our own people and country, instead of paying through the nose to the middle east?

#6. The polar bear population is at its highest ever in Alaska - and the same government that wants to make more restrictions on the endangered list with them, has currently issued 25% more polar bear gaming permits......double standard?

#7. I believe in creation. I do not believe in evolution. But yet I was forced to learn all about evolution in school. There are kids that believe in evolution and those that believe in creation. There is science that can back either one......who has the right to say one can be taught, and one can''t?

I am not going to type a lot on this issue (we all feel certain ways and that is a good thing).

I do not like the ideal of creationism taught in schools. I like the separation of church and state and want to keep it that way. When one starts down the slippery path of teaching creationism which religious view of creationism will be taught?

I was raised Christian and am now Catholic. I do teach my son about creationism at home and want to keep it that way.

 

[MoonWater]

Date: 8/29/2008 8:35:30 PM
Author: miraclesrule

I am a humanist I think. I used to think I was an idealist, but I guess I am a lot of things, depending on the issue and the day. I just know that we need someone in high office who is committed to developing our human potential and survival and not short term monetary gains for their political ambitions.

Good luck with that. Sometimes, on my more cynical and pessimistic days, I just think it''s not in human nature. We have these bright spots but in the end, we all want to destroy each other. We''re greedy. It''s so frustrating.

 

[angel_nieves]

Moonwater If you wait a few minutes I will post the links.

 

[miraclesrule]

Nooooooooooooooo, it is in our human nature. It isn''t in our human education and the way we have constructed our societies. Seriously, it''s more human to be compassionate than not. We are trained differently, because we are not taught an alternative.

 

[angel_nieves]

Date: 8/29/2008 8:39:13 PM
Author: MoonWater

Date: 8/29/2008 8:35:30 PM
Author: miraclesrule

I am a humanist I think. I used to think I was an idealist, but I guess I am a lot of things, depending on the issue and the day. I just know that we need someone in high office who is committed to developing our human potential and survival and not short term monetary gains for their political ambitions.

Good luck with that. Sometimes, on my more cynical and pessimistic days, I just think it''s not in human nature. We have these bright spots but in the end, we all want to destroy each other. We''re greedy. It''s so frustrating.

I feel that way too sometimes!!!

 

[MoonWater]

Date: 8/29/2008 8:41:03 PM
Author: miraclesrule
Nooooooooooooooo, it is in our human nature. It isn''t in our human education and the way we have constructed our societies. Seriously, it''s more human to be compassionate than not. We are trained differently, because we are not taught an alternative.

Yeah. I dunno, I think about this country and the founding documents and you just want to cry over how brilliant it all is. But god, look at us.

 

[MoonWater]

Date: 8/29/2008 8:41:04 PM
Author: Macie

Date: 8/29/2008 8:39:13 PM

Author: MoonWater

Date: 8/29/2008 8:35:30 PM

Author: miraclesrule


I am a humanist I think. I used to think I was an idealist, but I guess I am a lot of things, depending on the issue and the day. I just know that we need someone in high office who is committed to developing our human potential and survival and not short term monetary gains for their political ambitions.

Good luck with that. Sometimes, on my more cynical and pessimistic days, I just think it''s not in human nature. We have these bright spots but in the end, we all want to destroy each other. We''re greedy. It''s so frustrating.

I feel that way too sometimes!!!

*Group hug* I''m having a beer, need one?

 

[Kaleigh]

I asked my Husband what he thought of Mccain''s choice, he said Obama just won the election. I know what I thought about it but wanted to hear what he had to say. He''s away, so this was over the phone. He said, he chose her to get the Hillary votes. I said bingo, I agree. I have to learn more about Palin. My dad was head of the Republican committee in Philadelphia years ago, he thinks his choice is spot on. I dunno. I have to find out who she is and what she stands for, but am thinking Mccain, is toast. Hubby and kids are voting for Mccain. I am a republican, but will most likely vote for Obama. It''s going to be very interesting for sure!!!

 

[angel_nieves]

Moonwater here are some of the links you wanted if you want any more I will be glad to provide them.

Here is the two best links that states the allegations of misuse of power.
http://community.adn.com/adn/node/127318
http://www.ktva.com/ci_10026165
Her views on drilling In Alaska
http://www.reuters.com/article/businessNews/idUSN2944336720080829
Her husbands employment for BP (British Petroleum)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sarah_Palin
Her gov work experience
http://www.nga.org/portal/site/nga/menuitem.29fab9fb4add37305ddcbeeb501010a0/?vgnextoid=864bb9006da3f010VgnVCM1000001a01010aRCRD
Her view on Polar Bears being put on the endangered list
http://www.wnbc.com/politics/17334530/detail.html
On creationism
http://thinkprogress.org/wonkroom/2008/08/29/palin-creationist/

 

[angel_nieves]

Instead of beer you want to share peanut butter and jelly cupcakes that I just finished frosting?

 

[miraclesrule]

Moon: Down to my last glass of wine... *cheers*

Kaleigh: Interessssting view by your DH. My daughter and I voted for different candidates in the primary and I asked her today what she thought, but hadn''t heard the news yet. She says she needs to explore more. I can''t imagine her voting for McCain, but she is still miffed about Hillary. I think she just wanted a woman, period.

Macie: You go girl! I love a person who feels compelled to seek the truth instead of relying on emotion and heritage or their DH''s views (like my Mum does).