Female Mccain''s VP pick

[Anna0499]

Date: 9/4/2008 12:05:33 AM
Author: Kaleigh

Date: 9/3/2008 11:59:34 PM
Author: IndyGirl22

Date: 9/3/2008 11:33:36 PM
Author: HollyS
Well, I believe she proved she's savvy, intelligent, fearless, and deserving of her VP nod.

That was the nicest, politest, and most pointed 'Bite me!' speech I've ever heard. Good for her.

Ditto. I liked her speech too...it was done with a smile but with strength and I was very proud of her as a woman.

Me too!! She was awesome!!!!!

Yeah, some people have said that she was too aggressive, but I think those people just weren't used to seeing a well-prepared, smart woman delivering a well-written speech with conviction and without pulling any punches. As a woman, she is already at a disadvantage when giving speeches because she has to try to find that perfect balance between being too weak or "too strong." I'd rather have a candidate who isn't afraid to swing against her critics than one who will never take a stand or ignores difficult questions. Her speech was not a time for her to outline her policies, as I heard callers on the radio criticizing, it was the first time she was in front of everyone since her nomination and she needed to address concerns about her experience, family life, background, etc. If she had already been introduced and established in this election then she probably could have focused more on her "vision," but this wasn't the time and she's not running for president...she can do all of that in the debates.

ETA: Found this link on MSNBC regarding Palin's creationism/evolution views & how they translate into her politics...doesn't look like very much...

 

[Hudson_Hawk]

I think she did an OK job. But we''re taking about a person with a broadcasting background and a very carefully written speech. Of course she did a good job and performed well on camera. In all it was a good speech that focused on showing America that she was a person and not just a political figure. I would have liked to have heard more about the plans while in office with details on how they were going to achieve said plans. Then again, that was lacking from Obama''s speech as well (the part about the details).

One thing I found almost offensive was the obvious publicity shots of her family. It was almost choreographed. Daddy holding the baby, daddy changing the baby''s position for a better camera angle, daddy handing off the baby to the little daughter who proceeds to kiss and pet the baby-and what was up with her LICKING HER HAND and wiping it on his head?!? That was hysterical. Son standing up awkwardly at the mention of his future service, preggers daughter holding future husband''s hand...

Out of everything though, I have to acknowledge that the speech was a historical moment for our country and women. Yes, while she might be an ultra-conservative who doesn''t agree with the views of may of us, she''s a woman and she''s in a place that no other woman has ever been in before (regardless of motivation by the R party). Her comment about making her mother proud and breaking through the ultimate glass ceiling actually brought me to tears. While we might argue that she is or isn''t the right VP choice, the fact of the matter is that she''s opening the door for future women to be accepted into the upper eschelon of public office. And this fact alone should be celebrated by all of us women, whether we agree with her views or not.

Okay, I''m stepping off my soapbox now.

 

[Anna0499]

Date: 9/4/2008 10:45:04 AM
Author: Hudson_Hawk
I think she did an OK job. But we're taking about a person with a broadcasting background and a very carefully written speech. Of course she did a good job and performed well on camera. In all it was a good speech that focused on showing America that she was a person and not just a political figure. I would have liked to have heard more about the plans while in office with details on how they were going to achieve said plans. Then again, that was lacking from Obama's speech as well (the part about the details).

One thing I found almost offensive was the obvious publicity shots of her family. It was almost choreographed. Daddy holding the baby, daddy changing the baby's position for a better camera angle, daddy handing off the baby to the little daughter who proceeds to kiss and pet the baby-and what was up with her LICKING HER HAND and wiping it on his head?!? That was hysterical. Son standing up awkwardly at the mention of his future service, preggers daughter holding future husband's hand...

Out of everything though, I have to acknowledge that the speech was a historical moment for our country and women. Yes, while she might be an ultra-conservative who doesn't agree with the views of may of us, she's a woman and she's in a place that no other woman has ever been in before (regardless of motivation by the R party). Her comment about making her mother proud and breaking through the ultimate glass ceiling actually brought me to tears. While we might argue that she is or isn't the right VP choice, the fact of the matter is that she's opening the door for future women to be accepted into the upper eschelon of public office. And this fact alone should be celebrated by all of us women, whether we agree with her views or not.

Okay, I'm stepping off my soapbox now.

LOL My friend who has a 4 year old daughter was watching it with me & we were *dying* because that's exactly how her daughter is...everything is doll to her. It was also funny because everything in conventions are so planned it was nice to see something unexpected. And I agree with your last paragraph whole-heartedly. Even if she doesn't win this election, perhaps the next female candidate for VP/president (or any high ranking male-dominated position for that matter) will face a little bit less gender-related criticism...which would be a victory for all women.

 

[decodelighted]

Roe V Wade aside (as if its not certain that I ain''t voting Republican) .... I *will* give her some credit. She was in a very difficult position and managed to deliver a fairly aggressive, well-received speech with a few outstanding lines. (Pitbull w/lipstick ... campaign as self-exploration (Oprah/Obama backhand) ... styrofoam columns).

Thought the speech was boring in the middle though & started getting robotic. She has *moments* of charisma but I really do still feel like there''s a lot hidden in her closet & too much blood already in the water to stop the sharks.

At least SOMEBODY finally got her husband to hold that baby! How quickly did he schlep him to the six year old though? Geez.

 

[NewEnglandLady]

Date: 9/4/2008 10:45:04 AM
Author: Hudson_Hawk
I think she did an OK job. But we''re taking about a person with a broadcasting background and a very carefully written speech. Of course she did a good job and performed well on camera. In all it was a good speech that focused on showing America that she was a person and not just a political figure. I would have liked to have heard more about the plans while in office with details on how they were going to achieve said plans. Then again, that was lacking from Obama''s speech as well (the part about the details).

One thing I found almost offensive was the obvious publicity shots of her family. It was almost choreographed. Daddy holding the baby, daddy changing the baby''s position for a better camera angle, daddy handing off the baby to the little daughter who proceeds to kiss and pet the baby-and what was up with her LICKING HER HAND and wiping it on his head?!? That was hysterical. Son standing up awkwardly at the mention of his future service, preggers daughter holding future husband''s hand...

Out of everything though, I have to acknowledge that the speech was a historical moment for our country and women. Yes, while she might be an ultra-conservative who doesn''t agree with the views of may of us, she''s a woman and she''s in a place that no other woman has ever been in before (regardless of motivation by the R party). Her comment about making her mother proud and breaking through the ultimate glass ceiling actually brought me to tears. While we might argue that she is or isn''t the right VP choice, the fact of the matter is that she''s opening the door for future women to be accepted into the upper eschelon of public office. And this fact alone should be celebrated by all of us women, whether we agree with her views or not.

Okay, I''m stepping off my soapbox now.

I also found the publicity shots of her family a bit unsettling...I admittedly just caught the tail-end of her speech after getting home from class (my DVR failed me!!) so I''ve just been reading about the content of the speech and didn''t see it. Still, seeing the boyfriend and daughter holding hands and everybody acting like a big happy family felt really forced. Normally I would expect it, but what I like about Palin is her ability to cut through superficial BS and be real, so I think it bothered me more than it normally would.

I think with everything that has swirled around Palin in the past week has just left me feeling unsure and exhausted, haha. I''m eager to see what happens moving forward.

 

[luckystar112]

Uhh....I guess I could care less who was holding her baby at any particular time.
Apparently that is a big deal to a few of you. I''d rather focus on the important stuff.

 

[Loves Vintage]

Date: 9/4/2008 10:59:03 AM
Author: decodelighted
Roe V Wade aside (as if its not certain that I ain''t voting Republican) .... I *will* give her some credit. She was in a very difficult position and managed to deliver a fairly aggressive, well-received speech with a few outstanding lines. (Pitbull w/lipstick ... campaign as self-exploration (Oprah/Obama backhand) ... styrofoam columns).

Thought the speech was boring in the middle though & started getting robotic. She has *moments* of charisma but I really do still feel like there''s a lot hidden in her closet & too much blood already in the water to stop the sharks.

At least SOMEBODY finally got her husband to hold that baby! How quickly did he schlep him to the six year old though? Geez.

You''re so funny, Deco!

We just moved and don''t have cable hooked up yet, so I heard the speech on the radio and did not have the benefit of the visuals.

I thought she sounded ridiculous and seemed like she was there for comic relief only. She delivered some good one-liners, but really, they aren''t even her words. I am even less impressed by her now. So, she can deliver a speech in a comic fashion . . . ggggrrreat, but I didn''t hear anything that lead me to believe she''d be capable of running this country.

 

[decodelighted]

Date: 9/4/2008 11:07:48 AM
Author: luckystar112
Uhh....I guess I could care less who was holding her baby at any particular time. Apparently that is a big deal to a few of you. I'd rather focus on the important stuff.

Well, when she makes her opening remarks about being an "advocate" of special needs children/families -- but then her own family plays "hot potato" with THEIR OWN special needs baby -- it raises an eyebrow.

ETA: Further highlights the dichotomy between "talking the talk & walking the walk" that ultra-Conservative Republicans get tripped up on to much comic effect from time to time.

 

[Hudson_Hawk]

It was simply a comment about the "show" regard of the convention. Besides, there was hardly mention of issues in her speech last night (which was a negative). Her speech was about introducing herself to the American people and defending her place on the ticket. I''m sure she''s been told to leave the planning talk to McCain during tonights speech.

 

[Anna0499]

I kind of put myself in their shoes and thought about how I would act if I was a teenager or young child and knew the cameras were fixed on me at all times. I'd be nervous and try not to do anything too stupid...I guess I just don't know how people expected them to look; of course they aren't going to fight or look sad. Maybe people just aren't used to seeing that many children at political conventions (as most candidates only have one or two children). I thought they behaved as naturally as possible, given the circumstances. If I was a 17 year old pregnant teen whose picture and name has been plastered all over the news and complete strangers have been commenting on my sex life I would be nervous and holding my boyfriend's hand too.

I could care less about who is holding the baby. Coming from a family with 5 children, I was often left "holding the baby," as were my siblings...it's very normal. ETA: I could *maybe* understand the relevance of Trig being a special needs baby if he had a physical condition which could result in injury if held improperly, but I don't think it matters who was holding him in this situation.

It was Palin's coming out party & she had to show her strength and willingness to stand up to her critics & IMHO she did. I agree with HH that she was told to leave the policy talk to McCain tonight; he is, after all, the one running for president.

 

[luckystar112]

My personal opinion is that some of you are reading too much into it.
It was a two hour convention, and Cindy McCain had the baby the majority of the time. They played "hot potato" with the baby when Palin was introducing the family (so they could stand up, wave, whatever), and afterward they took turns. Big deal.
As for it being a "show" for the viewers, you could say that about any political candidate of the century. Obama''s girls joining their mother on stage to wave at daddy on the big screen is just one recent example. Except its not a show then, it''s "cute".
If there was anything calculated about the family being there, I agree, it was Bristol''s boyfriend. But Palin was sending a message that she wasn''t going to hide her daughter....for doing so would give the media something to harp on and make them believe that they are "right".

 

[Krissie]

Date: 9/4/2008 10:45:04 AM
Author: Hudson_Hawk
I think she did an OK job. But we''re taking about a person with a broadcasting background and a very carefully written speech. Of course she did a good job and performed well on camera. In all it was a good speech that focused on showing America that she was a person and not just a political figure. I would have liked to have heard more about the plans while in office with details on how they were going to achieve said plans. Then again, that was lacking from Obama''s speech as well (the part about the details).

One thing I found almost offensive was the obvious publicity shots of her family. It was almost choreographed. Daddy holding the baby, daddy changing the baby''s position for a better camera angle, daddy handing off the baby to the little daughter who proceeds to kiss and pet the baby-and what was up with her LICKING HER HAND and wiping it on his head?!? That was hysterical. Son standing up awkwardly at the mention of his future service, preggers daughter holding future husband''s hand...

Out of everything though, I have to acknowledge that the speech was a historical moment for our country and women. Yes, while she might be an ultra-conservative who doesn''t agree with the views of may of us, she''s a woman and she''s in a place that no other woman has ever been in before (regardless of motivation by the R party). Her comment about making her mother proud and breaking through the ultimate glass ceiling actually brought me to tears. While we might argue that she is or isn''t the right VP choice, the fact of the matter is that she''s opening the door for future women to be accepted into the upper eschelon of public office. And this fact alone should be celebrated by all of us women, whether we agree with her views or not.

Okay, I''m stepping off my soapbox now.

Indeed a woman has been in her place before - Geraldine Ferraro was the Democratic VP nominee 24 years ago. In terms of opening doors for women, let''s recall that she was selected by McCain''s advisers to serve as the VP nominee, not elected by the American public as our nation''s VP. I don''t think she''s opened any doors just yet -- rather, I think she''s slammed quite a few in the face of independent voters who aren''t interested in smarmy political jabs. For an "outsider" she sure is ready to play dirty politics. I kind of hope Hillary jumps in the ring for a debate or two.

 

[Anna0499]

Date: 9/4/2008 11:31:08 AM
Author: luckystar112
My personal opinion is that some of you are reading too much into it.
It was a two hour convention, and Cindy McCain had the baby the majority of the time. They played ''hot potato'' with the baby when Palin was introducing the family (so they could stand up, wave, whatever), and afterward they took turns. Big deal.
As for it being a ''show'' for the viewers, you could say that about any political candidate of the century. Obama''s girls joining their mother on stage to wave at daddy on the big screen is just one recent example. Except its not a show then, it''s ''cute''.
If there was anything calculated about the family being there, I agree, it was Bristol''s boyfriend. But Palin was sending a message that she wasn''t going to hide her daughter....for doing so would give the media something to harp on and make them believe that they are ''right''.

Yeah, I agree. Every candidate has to parade his/her shiny family in front of the world so everyone can get a good look and comment on how cute they are, it''s just what happens. If her boyfriend hadn''t been there then would come the questions of "Why not" & he would have been stalked in Alaska anyway. Might as well give everyone a good photo of him. He does clean up nice compared to the other photos I''ve seen of him.

 

[Hudson_Hawk]

Indeed a woman has been in her place before - Geraldine Ferraro was the Democratic VP nominee 24 years ago. In terms of opening doors for women, let''s recall that she was selected by McCain''s advisers to serve as the VP nominee, not elected by the American public as our nation''s VP. I don''t think she''s opened any doors just yet -- rather, I think she''s slammed quite a few in the face of independent voters who aren''t interested in smarmy political jabs. For an "outsider" she sure is ready to play dirty politics. I kind of hope Hillary jumps in the ring for a debate or two.

If this is indeed the case then I stand corrected. However, I still think a woman chosen to possibly be VP is something that should be celebrated by all of us.

 

[TravelingGal]

Date: 9/4/2008 9:43:09 AM
Author: iluvcarats


How can one discuss the Republican agenda without bringing up abortion, since it is largely the driving force behind it. It is why McCain chose Sarah Palin over other choices, and it got the largest applause when Huckabee mentioned it. It seems largely to be the driving force and *MOST* important issue to many Republicans.

Taking this issue off the table, well yeah, it does make the Republican agenda is more digestible.
But the extreme right wing conservatives are NEVER going to take it off the table.

How does this make me paranoid? I play by the rules. I try not to offend anyone.
I am not just talking about this incident. HollyS has offended many other posters recently. I may stand alone, but I stand by what I said.

Seriously???? You really think this is THE issue for the republican party?

Being a republican and knowing a few (because, well, there aren''t a ton in California), I can say that I have not met a republican yet for which this is a driving issue behind choosing this party.

And for the record, I am pro-choice.

 

[Anna0499]

Date: 9/4/2008 11:39:33 AM
Author: Krissie

Indeed a woman has been in her place before - Geraldine Ferraro was the Democratic VP nominee 24 years ago. In terms of opening doors for women, let's recall that she was selected by McCain's advisers to serve as the VP nominee, not elected by the American public as our nation's VP. I don't think she's opened any doors just yet -- rather, I think she's slammed quite a few in the face of independent voters who aren't interested in smarmy political jabs. For an 'outsider' she sure is ready to play dirty politics. I kind of hope Hillary jumps in the ring for a debate or two.

I respectfully disagree...love her or leave her, her VP nomination is the *first* time the Republican party has had a woman in that role. She was not the first woman *ever* to be nominated for VP, but since the Republican party is traditionally viewed as more conservative and a party for old white men, I think her nomination is a *huge* moment for women, especially mothers with children. Ferraro's children were all adults when she was nominated for VP so she didn't face the same questioning Palin does. Even if she loses the next female candidate will probably face less scrutiny and criticisim (about her family life, rearing of children, etc.) because it won't be as novel of an idea. And, she has not been the only one making "political jabs" and I don't really think anyone can win an election nowadays without making them; I would just rather the jabs be aimed at the candidates instead of their families.

 

[Anna0499]

Date: 9/4/2008 11:44:31 AM
Author: TravelingGal

Date: 9/4/2008 9:43:09 AM
Author: iluvcarats


How can one discuss the Republican agenda without bringing up abortion, since it is largely the driving force behind it. It is why McCain chose Sarah Palin over other choices, and it got the largest applause when Huckabee mentioned it. It seems largely to be the driving force and *MOST* important issue to many Republicans.

Taking this issue off the table, well yeah, it does make the Republican agenda is more digestible.
But the extreme right wing conservatives are NEVER going to take it off the table.

How does this make me paranoid? I play by the rules. I try not to offend anyone.
I am not just talking about this incident. HollyS has offended many other posters recently. I may stand alone, but I stand by what I said.

Seriously???? You really think this is THE issue for the republican party?

Being a republican and knowing a few (because, well, there aren't a ton in California), I can say that I have not met a republican yet for which this is a driving issue behind choosing this party.

And for the record, I am pro-choice.

I agree...I come from a Republican-dominated state (Indiana) and just because the most vocal Republicans seem to think abortion is #1 it doesn't mean that the majority of Republicans feel that way. I know many Republicans that are pro-choice *because* they won't let one issue dictate their feelings about other issues.

 

[Krissie]

Date: 9/4/2008 11:44:00 AM
Author: Hudson_Hawk
Indeed a woman has been in her place before - Geraldine Ferraro was the Democratic VP nominee 24 years ago. In terms of opening doors for women, let''s recall that she was selected by McCain''s advisers to serve as the VP nominee, not elected by the American public as our nation''s VP. I don''t think she''s opened any doors just yet -- rather, I think she''s slammed quite a few in the face of independent voters who aren''t interested in smarmy political jabs. For an ''outsider'' she sure is ready to play dirty politics. I kind of hope Hillary jumps in the ring for a debate or two.

If this is indeed the case then I stand corrected. However, I still think a woman chosen to possibly be VP is something that should be celebrated by all of us.

Hi Hudson Hawk. From my perspective, I can''t celebrate her selection because I do not agree with her politics, her former affiliations or her demeanor. I think she would lead our country in the wrong direction. And if she were a man, I''d feel the same way. Isn''t that what feminism is truly about - judging a person on his or her merits rather than gender? Simply put, I do not believe she is the right person to be one heartbeat away from the presidency.

 

[Krissie]

Date: 9/4/2008 11:48:02 AM
Author: IndyGirl22

Date: 9/4/2008 11:39:33 AM
Author: Krissie

Indeed a woman has been in her place before - Geraldine Ferraro was the Democratic VP nominee 24 years ago. In terms of opening doors for women, let''s recall that she was selected by McCain''s advisers to serve as the VP nominee, not elected by the American public as our nation''s VP. I don''t think she''s opened any doors just yet -- rather, I think she''s slammed quite a few in the face of independent voters who aren''t interested in smarmy political jabs. For an ''outsider'' she sure is ready to play dirty politics. I kind of hope Hillary jumps in the ring for a debate or two.

I respectfully disagree...love her or leave her, her VP nomination is the *first* time the Republican party has had a woman in that role. She was not the first woman *ever* to be nominated for VP, but since the Republican party is traditionally viewed as more conservative and a party for old white men, I think her nomination is a *huge* moment for women, especially mothers with children. Ferraro''s children were all adults when she was nominated for VP so she didn''t face the same questioning Palin does. Even if she loses the next female candidate will probably face less scrutiny and criticisim (about her family life, rearing of children, etc.) because it won''t be as novel of an idea. And, she has not been the only one making ''political jabs'' and I don''t really think anyone can win an election nowadays without making them; I would just rather the jabs be aimed at the candidates instead of their families.

I do hope that this means the next female candidate will face less scrutiny -- and that from now on, families are NOT attacked. It does seem that new "rules" have been written daily this past week. This goes for Democrats and Republicans alike.

 

[LAJennifer]

Date: 9/4/2008 11:44:31 AM
Author: TravelingGal

Date: 9/4/2008 9:43:09 AM
Author: iluvcarats


How can one discuss the Republican agenda without bringing up abortion, since it is largely the driving force behind it. It is why McCain chose Sarah Palin over other choices, and it got the largest applause when Huckabee mentioned it. It seems largely to be the driving force and *MOST* important issue to many Republicans.

Taking this issue off the table, well yeah, it does make the Republican agenda is more digestible.
But the extreme right wing conservatives are NEVER going to take it off the table.

How does this make me paranoid? I play by the rules. I try not to offend anyone.
I am not just talking about this incident. HollyS has offended many other posters recently. I may stand alone, but I stand by what I said.

Seriously???? You really think this is THE issue for the republican party?

Being a republican and knowing a few (because, well, there aren't a ton in California), I can say that I have not met a republican yet for which this is a driving issue behind choosing this party.

And for the record, I am pro-choice.

Ditto - pro-choice Republican here. In fact, I don't personally know a single Republican who isn't pro-choice.

 

[TravelingGal]

Date: 9/4/2008 11:57:59 AM
Author: LAJennifer

Date: 9/4/2008 11:44:31 AM
Author: TravelingGal

Date: 9/4/2008 9:43:09 AM
Author: iluvcarats


How can one discuss the Republican agenda without bringing up abortion, since it is largely the driving force behind it. It is why McCain chose Sarah Palin over other choices, and it got the largest applause when Huckabee mentioned it. It seems largely to be the driving force and *MOST* important issue to many Republicans.

Taking this issue off the table, well yeah, it does make the Republican agenda is more digestible.
But the extreme right wing conservatives are NEVER going to take it off the table.

How does this make me paranoid? I play by the rules. I try not to offend anyone.
I am not just talking about this incident. HollyS has offended many other posters recently. I may stand alone, but I stand by what I said.

Seriously???? You really think this is THE issue for the republican party?

Being a republican and knowing a few (because, well, there aren''t a ton in California), I can say that I have not met a republican yet for which this is a driving issue behind choosing this party.

And for the record, I am pro-choice.

Ditto - pro-choice Republican here. In fact, I don''t personally know a single Republican who isn''t pro-choice.

Actually, neither do I. But then again, we DO live in SoCal, LA Jen!

 

[meresal]

Date: 9/4/2008 11:44:31 AM
Author: TravelingGal

Date: 9/4/2008 9:43:09 AM
Author: iluvcarats


How can one discuss the Republican agenda without bringing up abortion, since it is largely the driving force behind it. It is why McCain chose Sarah Palin over other choices, and it got the largest applause when Huckabee mentioned it. It seems largely to be the driving force and *MOST* important issue to many Republicans.

Taking this issue off the table, well yeah, it does make the Republican agenda is more digestible.
But the extreme right wing conservatives are NEVER going to take it off the table.

How does this make me paranoid? I play by the rules. I try not to offend anyone.
I am not just talking about this incident. HollyS has offended many other posters recently. I may stand alone, but I stand by what I said.

Seriously???? You really think this is THE issue for the republican party?

Being a republican and knowing a few (because, well, there aren''t a ton in California), I can say that I have not met a republican yet for which this is a driving issue behind choosing this party.

And for the record, I am pro-choice.

ITA. You''re telling us that an issue affecting roughly 1/6 of the nation (my caclulation: people betwen ages 13 and 40, is roughly 1/3 of the nation and then half are women), is our MOST important issue?? I think not.

And I''m pro-choice in Texas.

 

[Efe]

I would hope that, irrespective of one''s political views, we could all agree that it is a proud time in America''s history that we have an African American candidate on one side and a first time female candidate on the other side. As a woman, and as someone whose family pretty much looks like the UN, I am thrilled.

 

[Anna0499]

Date: 9/4/2008 11:56:09 AM
Author: Krissie

I do hope that this means the next female candidate will face less scrutiny -- and that from now on, families are NOT attacked. It does seem that new ''rules'' have been written daily this past week. This goes for Democrats and Republicans alike.

Yeah, I do NOT have a problem with her being attacked for her politics or background, etc. and I think she''s fair game like any other candidate in those respects...the only scrutiny I am opposed to in relation to Palin is the scrutiny that men would not face. I also agree with you that candidates should be judged regardless of their gender (i.e. you don''t agree with her politics so you don''t support her), but I did have many female friends who are at the polar opposite of her views but still admitted they felt a teensy bit proud deep down inside.

 

[purrfectpear]

Date: 9/4/2008 12:13:50 PM
Author: meresal

ITA. You''re telling us that an issue affecting roughly 1/6 of the nation (my caclulation: people betwen ages 13 and 40, is roughly 1/3 of the nation and then half are women), is our MOST important issue?? I think not.

And I''m pro-choice in Texas.

If it''s not the most important issue to Republicans, then why are they constantly yammering about it? Seriously? It''s a major part of their platform. I don''t know if it''s THE most important issue to them, but they do everything they can to make it sound like it is.

That''s certainly the public perception of their platform IMO.

 

[TravelingGal]

Date: 9/4/2008 12:26:19 PM
Author: purrfectpear

Date: 9/4/2008 12:13:50 PM
Author: meresal

ITA. You''re telling us that an issue affecting roughly 1/6 of the nation (my caclulation: people betwen ages 13 and 40, is roughly 1/3 of the nation and then half are women), is our MOST important issue?? I think not.

And I''m pro-choice in Texas.

If it''s not the most important issue to Republicans, then why are they constantly yammering about it? Seriously? It''s a major part of their platform. I don''t know if it''s THE most important issue to them, but they do everything they can to make it sound like it is.

That''s certainly the public perception of their platform IMO.

By the democratic public, maybe.

I think you are confusing "republican" with "right wing religious activist republican."

And maybe it''s because the democrats keep *insisiting* that it is?

 

[SarahLovesJS]

Date: 9/4/2008 12:31:29 PM
Author: TravelingGal

Date: 9/4/2008 12:26:19 PM

Author: purrfectpear

Date: 9/4/2008 12:13:50 PM

Author: meresal


ITA. You''re telling us that an issue affecting roughly 1/6 of the nation (my caclulation: people betwen ages 13 and 40, is roughly 1/3 of the nation and then half are women), is our MOST important issue?? I think not.


And I''m pro-choice in Texas.

If it''s not the most important issue to Republicans, then why are they constantly yammering about it? Seriously? It''s a major part of their platform. I don''t know if it''s THE most important issue to them, but they do everything they can to make it sound like it is.


That''s certainly the public perception of their platform IMO.

By the democratic public, maybe.


I think you are confusing ''republican'' with ''right wing religious activist republican.''


And maybe it''s because the democrats keep *insisiting* that it is?

Huge ditto from a moderate that leans right and goes by Republican in Virginia who knows 99% pro-choice Republicans.

 

[meresal]

Date: 9/4/2008 12:26:19 PM
Author: purrfectpear

Date: 9/4/2008 12:13:50 PM
Author: meresal

ITA. You're telling us that an issue affecting roughly 1/6 of the nation (my caclulation: people betwen ages 13 and 40, is roughly 1/3 of the nation and then half are women), is our MOST important issue?? I think not.

And I'm pro-choice in Texas.

If it's not the most important issue to Republicans, then why are they constantly yammering about it? Seriously? It's a major part of their platform. I don't know if it's THE most important issue to them, but they do everything they can to make it sound like it is.

That's certainly the public perception of their platform IMO.

It's the media. They dissemenate information that will rise interest, and labeling Rep's as strong right wing millionaires that live in caves and have no concept of real world issues, other than dreaming of dollar signs from the balconies of our 200ft yachts, does exactly that. Remarkably, we all don't require our offspring to join forces either. Shocking, I know.

ETA: However, I do know a few that were forced to attend Texas A&M

ETA2: To introduce myself into these political forums...

I am a Republican with some very liberal views. I do actually believe that in the next 12 years, we will have a candidate that is not bound to party lines and will actually join many of us together with joint issues that we can all agree on. Many of us want the same things, just don't agree with how to attain them. A friend of mine was student body president at my college of 30,000 and has no gotten himself elected to the city board at the age of 27. There are some really wonderful up and coming thinkers that have new ideas, that I think alot of my generation will relate to. We, as a young Rep, are open to the idea of having liberal and conservative views, and are ok with voting for someone other than party lines to achieve what we believe is best for our country.

 

[decodelighted]

Who looks more preggers in this pix, hmmm? From a "draft Palin for VP" video on You Tube. Also check out this hike a supposedly 7 months pregnant Sarah Palin made in heels carrying a cup of coffee??

Sniff sniff: scandal.

 

[luckystar112]

Cause I know that when I''M trying to fake a pregnancy, I just stay slim too.

Seriously....where is the logic in that?