Female Mccain''s VP pick

[Hudson_Hawk]

1. Her lack of experience (as in ZERO) with foreign policy and relations
2. Her inability or unwillingness to look to the future when planning. it seems like she goes for the quick fix that will make her popular vs. what's actually good for the state/country as a whole in the present and future.
3. Her proported lack of fiscal responsibility
4. Her reported support of censorship

I also of course need to add
5. Her strong pro-life opinions with no discussion or acknowledgement of choice

And I'd like to add that I didn't mean to be rude by saying that the state of AK was not part of the 21st century, though I fully acknowledge that my statement may have sounded rude. (maybe it's just my relatives who aren't in the current century...)

 

[Anna0499]

Date: 9/3/2008 3:02:50 PM
Author: Hudson_Hawk
I also of course need to add
5. Her strong pro-life opinions with no discussion or acknowledgement of choice

Well, most pro-life supporters don''t think there *is* a choice...

 

[Anna0499]

Date: 9/3/2008 2:35:53 PM
Author: akmiss
I have been avoiding this thread for many reasons......
But I do feel that I must say the people need to quit making rude comments about Alaska. Alaska is a real state (49th) and celebrating 50 years of statehood. People are acting like ''Where is Alaska?'' Come On, If you don''t know where Alaska is then should you be voting? I feel that most educated people would have taken the time (before this election) to learn a little about their great country in entirety. Please........... I will refrain from hurting people feelings here

This statement is for Diddy, Yes there are black people in Alaska. Alaska (like Hawaii) proves to be one of the most ethnically diverse states!

Addressing the whole idea of ''flip flopping''
Being able to weigh all sides of an issue before making an informed decision is a sign of intelligence. I would like my president to have this quality and the gift of insight. It is often said that conservatives are strong decision makers and have the character to hold to their beliefs. Being closed minded should never be confused with being a good decision maker. A politician regurgitating out-dated beliefs and imposing those beliefs on others is a BAD THING.

Yes, I am a life-long Alaskan

Did I vote for Palin when she ran for Alaska''s governor?
No

Will I vote for McCain/Palin now?
No

Did Palin do a good job as governor?
Yes

As for the birth of baby Trig

All of Alaska was shocked when Palin announced she was pregnant! Why would she hide something like this? God bless that baby boy no matter what the truth may be.

Thanks for posting your perspective on things as an Alaskan resident. I''ve also been shocked at some of the comments about your lovely state (I went there a few years ago). I saw many people of different ethnicities there and if anyone is getting their information from Diddy I think we''re in trouble!

 

[Hudson_Hawk]

Date: 9/3/2008 3:02:50 PM
Author: Hudson_Hawk
I also of course need to add
5. Her strong pro-life opinions with no discussion or acknowledgement of choice

Well, most pro-life supporters don''t think there *is* a choice...

There''s a difference between being personally for something and politically for something. I for one am personally pro-life, however I feel that I wasn''t given the power (by god or anyone/thing else) to make that decision for other people. It''s called FREE WILL. It''s that context I was referring to.

 

[iheartscience]

According to census data, Alaska is 3.5% Black or African-American. Sorry for the long address-I don''t know how to do links!

http://factfinder.census.gov/servlet/QTTable?_bm=n&_lang=en&qr_name=DEC_2000_SF1_U_DP1&ds_name=DEC_2000_SF1_U&geo_id=04000US02

 

[iheartscience]

Date: 9/3/2008 3:07:09 PM
Author: IndyGirl22

Date: 9/3/2008 3:02:50 PM

Author: Hudson_Hawk

I also of course need to add

5. Her strong pro-life opinions with no discussion or acknowledgement of choice

Well, most pro-life supporters don''t think there *is* a choice...

And that''s EXACTLY the problem I have with pro-lifers. Why should they get to dictate to other women what their choices are? Just because THEY don''t believe abortion is right doesn''t mean other women shouldn''t be able to get an abortion if they want one. Ridiculous.

P.S. Why is it that Republicans are always anti-abortion but pro-death penalty? That is always so funny to me.

 

[Anna0499]

Date: 9/3/2008 3:32:37 PM
Author: Hudson_Hawk
Date: 9/3/2008 3:02:50 PM
Author: Hudson_Hawk
I also of course need to add
5. Her strong pro-life opinions with no discussion or acknowledgement of choice

Well, most pro-life supporters don''t think there *is* a choice...

There''s a difference between being personally for something and politically for something. I for one am personally pro-life, however I feel that I wasn''t given the power (by god or anyone/thing else) to make that decision for other people. It''s called FREE WILL. It''s that context I was referring to.

I understand your statements HH, and I agree that not all people who are personally anti-abortion think that everyone should be. I was just saying that most political candidates who classify themselves as "pro-life" don''t think there is a choice in abortion in their moral or biological reasoning, so i wouldn''t expect Palin, or any other candidate who classifies themselves as pro-life, to leave any room for debate on the issue of choice. That being said, I don''t think the candidates'' views on abortion have much to do with Roe v. Wade - it''s not going anywhere.

 

[Anna0499]

Date: 9/3/2008 5:50:14 PM
Author: thing2of2
According to census data, Alaska is 3.5% Black or African-American. Sorry for the long address-I don't know how to do links!

http://factfinder.census.gov/servlet/QTTable?_bm=n&_lang=en&qr_name=DEC_2000_SF1_U_DP1&ds_name=DEC_2000_SF1_U&geo_id=04000US02

Yes, and Joe Biden's homestate, Pennsylvania, only has a 10.7% African-American population and 2.4% Asian population according to the 2006 census...his state of Delaware has almost double the population of African-Americans but about the same for Asians...I don't think that affects his ability to govern people of ALL races. I'd rather focus on the similarities than differences between races...

 

[Anna0499]

Date: 9/3/2008 5:53:43 PM
Author: thing2of2

Date: 9/3/2008 3:07:09 PM
Author: IndyGirl22
Well, most pro-life supporters don't think there *is* a choice...

And that's EXACTLY the problem I have with pro-lifers. Why should they get to dictate to other women what their choices are? Just because THEY don't believe abortion is right doesn't mean other women shouldn't be able to get an abortion if they want one. Ridiculous.

P.S. Why is it that Republicans are always anti-abortion but pro-death penalty? That is always so funny to me.

I'm actually against the death penalty, so I don't fall into your generalization...although I never consider myself firmly in either party.

I don't want to turn this into an abortion debate thread & don't want to get flamed for this, but most pro-lifers don't think there is a choice because they equate abortion with killing a person and don't think anyone has a right to kill another human being...the debate is in the fetus/human distinction. Again, I'm not trying to judge anyone for their views, I'm just stating the reasoning behind why pro-lifers think they have a say in abortions. If they thought there was a choice there would be no debate.

Anyway, back to Palin...I'm excited to hear her speech...I'm sure everyone will be tuning in!

 

[decodelighted]

More REPUBLICAN discontent re: Palin. Keeps getting better!
Doesn''t it?

Gonna have to be a heck of a speech. If she makes one ...

 

[decodelighted]

Date: 9/3/2008 6:03:02 PM
Author: IndyGirl22
most pro-lifers don''t think there is a choice because they equate abortion with killing a person and don''t think anyone has a right to kill another human being.

You know, except for that DEATH PENALTY & all. Yeaaaahhhhhh.

 

[Anna0499]

Date: 9/3/2008 6:12:04 PM
Author: decodelighted
More REPUBLICAN discontent re: Palin. Keeps getting better!
Doesn''t it?

Gonna have to be a heck of a speech. If she makes one ...

Good thing the few members of the "Republican elite" won''t be the ones that decide the election; it''ll be normal, everyday people. Let''s face it...the election is Obama''s to lose, although things have gotten closer during the latter part of the summer. I don''t think the choice of Palin is enough to change the majority of McCain supporters into Obama ones, so I don''t think it hurt him since he never had a lead to protect. If you look at the other possible choices we know about McCain would''ve lost voters with each and every one of them too (talking purely political strategy here). He can''t do anything from outside of the White House & if he was "forced" to choose Palin to increase (or at least not hurt) his chances, then that''s what he had to do. With the celebrity-studded concert/DNC, he had to do *something* to shake up the party/election & he did, for better or worse.

 

[Anna0499]

Date: 9/3/2008 6:18:21 PM
Author: decodelighted

Date: 9/3/2008 6:03:02 PM
Author: IndyGirl22
most pro-lifers don''t think there is a choice because they equate abortion with killing a person and don''t think anyone has a right to kill another human being.

You know, except for that DEATH PENALTY & all. Yeaaaahhhhhh.

Not the ones I know.

Let''s stay away from broad generalizations...

 

[iheartscience]

Date: 9/3/2008 5:57:31 PM
Author: IndyGirl22

Date: 9/3/2008 5:50:14 PM

Author: thing2of2

According to census data, Alaska is 3.5% Black or African-American. Sorry for the long address-I don''t know how to do links!


http://factfinder.census.gov/servlet/QTTable?_bm=n&_lang=en&qr_name=DEC_2000_SF1_U_DP1&ds_name=DEC_2000_SF1_U&geo_id=04000US02

Yes, and Joe Biden''s homestate, Pennsylvania, only has a 10.7% African-American population and 2.4% Asian population according to the 2006 census...his state of Delaware has almost double the population of African-Americans but about the same for Asians...I don''t think that affects his ability to govern people of ALL races. I''d rather focus on the similarities than differences between races...

PUTTING WORDS IN MY MOUTH ALERT!

I was just stating the facts about what was being discussed, not debating whether or not anyone could govern anyone else.

 

[Anna0499]

Date: 9/3/2008 6:30:43 PM
Author: thing2of2

Date: 9/3/2008 5:57:31 PM
Author: IndyGirl22

Date: 9/3/2008 5:50:14 PM

Author: thing2of2

According to census data, Alaska is 3.5% Black or African-American. Sorry for the long address-I don''t know how to do links!


http://factfinder.census.gov/servlet/QTTable?_bm=n&_lang=en&qr_name=DEC_2000_SF1_U_DP1&ds_name=DEC_2000_SF1_U&geo_id=04000US02

Yes, and Joe Biden''s homestate, Pennsylvania, only has a 10.7% African-American population and 2.4% Asian population according to the 2006 census...his state of Delaware has almost double the population of African-Americans but about the same for Asians...I don''t think that affects his ability to govern people of ALL races. I''d rather focus on the similarities than differences between races...

PUTTING WORDS IN MY MOUTH ALERT!

I was just stating the facts about what was being discussed, not debating whether or not anyone could govern anyone else.

thing2of2 - I never said that you said anything...I was referring to the "Diddy" comment & stating my personal opinion. If you thought I was somehow making up things you never said then I''m sorry.

I was just pointing out that IMHO "Diddy" was, once again, speaking up about political things he has basis to form an opinion on. My comment was directed at the things people have said about Alaska and its population make-up in relation to Palin''s ability to lead...since you did not say anything about this it wasn''t directed to you. Hope I cleared things up.

 

[iheartscience]

Date: 9/3/2008 6:12:04 PM
Author: decodelighted
More REPUBLICAN discontent re: Palin. Keeps getting better!

Doesn''t it?


Gonna have to be a heck of a speech. If she makes one ...

It really does keep getting better and better! I love hot mic moments like that!

Another one of my current faves is the fact that Bristol''s babydaddy is now at the RNC since they''re all engaged and stuff. And have you seen the pics of the two of them holding guns and flicking off the camera? Klassy shiz!

 

[trillionaire]

Date: 9/3/2008 6:12:04 PM
Author: decodelighted
More REPUBLICAN discontent re: Palin. Keeps getting better!

Doesn''t it?


Gonna have to be a heck of a speech. If she makes one ...

Date: 9/3/2008 6:12:04 PM
Author: decodelighted
More REPUBLICAN discontent re: Palin. Keeps getting better!

Doesn''t it?


Gonna have to be a heck of a speech. If she makes one ...

Good one!
I like this one of Lieberman

 

[iheartscience]

Date: 9/3/2008 6:35:03 PM
Author: IndyGirl22

Date: 9/3/2008 6:30:43 PM

Author: thing2of2

Date: 9/3/2008 5:57:31 PM

Author: IndyGirl22

Date: 9/3/2008 5:50:14 PM


Author: thing2of2


According to census data, Alaska is 3.5% Black or African-American. Sorry for the long address-I don''t know how to do links!



http://factfinder.census.gov/servlet/QTTable?_bm=n&_lang=en&qr_name=DEC_2000_SF1_U_DP1&ds_name=DEC_2000_SF1_U&geo_id=04000US02

Yes, and Joe Biden''s homestate, Pennsylvania, only has a 10.7% African-American population and 2.4% Asian population according to the 2006 census...his state of Delaware has almost double the population of African-Americans but about the same for Asians...I don''t think that affects his ability to govern people of ALL races. I''d rather focus on the similarities than differences between races...

PUTTING WORDS IN MY MOUTH ALERT!


I was just stating the facts about what was being discussed, not debating whether or not anyone could govern anyone else.

thing2of2 - I never said that you said anything...I was referring to the ''Diddy'' comment & stating my personal opinion. If you thought I was somehow making up things you never said then I''m sorry.

I was just pointing out that IMHO ''Diddy'' was, once again, speaking up about political things he has basis to form an opinion on. My comment was directed at the things people have said about Alaska and its population make-up in relation to Palin''s ability to lead...since you did not say anything about this it wasn''t directed to you. Hope I cleared things up.

No hard feelings, of course-just clarifying! And I like to say "BLAH BLAH BLAH ALERT" in real life so I thought I''d bust it out here!

 

[Anna0499]

Date: 9/3/2008 6:37:10 PM
Author: thing2of2

No hard feelings, of course-just clarifying! And I like to say ''BLAH BLAH BLAH ALERT'' in real life so I thought I''d bust it out here!

Okay, good! I realized I *did* quote you so it probably came across like that, so I totally understand how you felt! I know I probably sound like the huge McCain backer around here and I am leaning that way, but I just didn''t want this thread to turn into a Palin-bash-fest and am often times playing the devil''s advocate/giver of the benefit of the doubt. Anyway, yeah, Diddy''s youtube swirl speech just made me mad because he played the race card and even though I am a minority it really irritates me when people (like Diddy) focus on the differences between humans rather than their similarities. Glad we cleared things up!

 

[decodelighted]

All the Diddy talk is maddening ... because I didn''t actually watch that link before it got pulled. Even though it was in *my* post. I was concentrating on Cajun Boy''s assessment of Palin & her scandal. Am left out now ... SHUCKS!

 

[iheartscience]

Date: 9/3/2008 6:46:52 PM
Author: decodelighted
All the Diddy talk is maddening ... because I didn''t actually watch that link before it got pulled. Even though it was in *my* post. I was concentrating on Cajun Boy''s assessment of Palin & her scandal. Am left out now ... SHUCKS!

It''s on PerezHilton.com still! Here''s the link:

http://perezhilton.com/2008-08-31-there-are-no-black-people-in-alaska

 

[trillionaire]

Date: 9/3/2008 5:57:31 PM
Author: IndyGirl22

Date: 9/3/2008 5:50:14 PM

Author: thing2of2

According to census data, Alaska is 3.5% Black or African-American. Sorry for the long address-I don't know how to do links!


http://factfinder.census.gov/servlet/QTTable?_bm=n&_lang=en&qr_name=DEC_2000_SF1_U_DP1&ds_name=DEC_2000_SF1_U&geo_id=04000US02

Yes, and Joe Biden's homestate, Pennsylvania, only has a 10.7% African-American population and 2.4% Asian population according to the 2006 census...his state of Delaware has almost double the population of African-Americans but about the same for Asians...I don't think that affects his ability to govern people of ALL races. I'd rather focus on the similarities than differences between races...

1,392,472 AA's in PA is a huge difference than 23,921 in Alaska, FWIW. PA's 2.4% Asian population would still put them at nearly 300,000 in the state. These are HUGE differences. Our world is a diverse world, so yes, I see that being able to manage difference and navigate diversity as an important credential for a Prez/VP.

She was the Mayor of a town of about 5,500 people (rounded). 32 were African American, FWIW. That would be .59%

 

[Anna0499]

Date: 9/3/2008 6:53:32 PM
Author: trillionaire

1,392472 AA's in PA is a huge difference than 23,921 in Alaska, FWIW. PA's 2.4% Asian population would still put them at nearly 300,000 in the state. These are HUGE differences. Our world is a diverse world, so yes, I see that being able to manage difference and navigate diversity as an important credential for a Prez/VP.

She was the Mayor of a town of about 5,500 people (rounded). 32 were African American, FWIW. That would be .59%

Oh I agree that the ability to accept diversity is an important characteristic in any political leader, but I still don't think that you need to have huge amounts of every single ethnic group in your state to be able to possess this ability (not saying you have this view). Delaware, Biden's representative state, has fewer Asians than Alaska, but I don't equate that with Biden's inability to govern Americans of Asian descent. In that clip Diddy said, "I don't even know if there are black people in Alaska" (I think I'm quoting that right). He was just being ignorant and spouting off about things he doesn't know about though as usual, as most celebrities do, IMHO. Obviously no informed voter will listen to what Diddy has to say, but I just thought he made a point that many others are making concerning the state of Alaska. I think, at their core, people want & need the same things.

 

[trillionaire]

Date: 9/3/2008 7:04:01 PM
Author: IndyGirl22

Date: 9/3/2008 6:53:32 PM

Author: trillionaire


1,392472 AA''s in PA is a huge difference than 23,921 in Alaska, FWIW. PA''s 2.4% Asian population would still put them at nearly 300,000 in the state. These are HUGE differences. Our world is a diverse world, so yes, I see that being able to manage difference and navigate diversity as an important credential for a Prez/VP.


She was the Mayor of a town of about 5,500 people (rounded). 32 were African American, FWIW. That would be .59%

Oh I agree that the ability to accept diversity is an important characteristic in any political leader, but I still don''t think that you need to have huge amounts of every single ethnic group in your state to be able to possess this ability (not saying you have this view). Delaware, Biden''s representative state, has fewer Asians than Alaska, but I don''t equate that with Biden''s inability to govern Americans of Asian descent. In that clip Diddy said, ''I don''t even know if there are black people in Alaska'' (I think I''m quoting that right). He was just being ignorant and spouting off about things he doesn''t know about though as usual, as most celebrities do, IMHO. Obviously no informed voter will listen to what Diddy has to say, but I just thought he made a point that many others are making concerning the state of Alaska. I think, at their core, people want & need the same things.

I am black, and I was just sending messages to my black friend in Alaska today. I have black friends that went to college there. People just want to know whether she has been exposed to a wide range of issues, including those of concern to them personally. I personally dislike "Diddy" and find him ridiculous. But his sentiment about WTH did this Palin chick come from and what were you thinking Mccain does resonate. Alaska is neither populous or diverse. It is the largest state, and has fewer people living there than the average major city. There are a host of issues that an urban mayor would be better equipped to handle than the governor of a mostly homogeneous and unpopulated state would be. So yes, that DOES concern me. And a lot of other people. Including Diddy

LOL

 

[HollyS]

Date: 9/3/2008 3:20:49 PM
Author: IndyGirl22

Date: 9/3/2008 2:35:53 PM
Author: akmiss
I have been avoiding this thread for many reasons......
But I do feel that I must say the people need to quit making rude comments about Alaska. Alaska is a real state (49th) and celebrating 50 years of statehood. People are acting like ''Where is Alaska?'' Come On, If you don''t know where Alaska is then should you be voting? I feel that most educated people would have taken the time (before this election) to learn a little about their great country in entirety. Please........... I will refrain from hurting people feelings here

This statement is for Diddy, Yes there are black people in Alaska. Alaska (like Hawaii) proves to be one of the most ethnically diverse states!

Addressing the whole idea of ''flip flopping''
Being able to weigh all sides of an issue before making an informed decision is a sign of intelligence. I would like my president to have this quality and the gift of insight. It is often said that conservatives are strong decision makers and have the character to hold to their beliefs. Being closed minded should never be confused with being a good decision maker. A politician regurgitating out-dated beliefs and imposing those beliefs on others is a BAD THING.

Yes, I am a life-long Alaskan

Did I vote for Palin when she ran for Alaska''s governor?
No

Will I vote for McCain/Palin now?
No

Did Palin do a good job as governor?
Yes

As for the birth of baby Trig

All of Alaska was shocked when Palin announced she was pregnant! Why would she hide something like this? God bless that baby boy no matter what the truth may be.

Thanks for posting your perspective on things as an Alaskan resident. I''ve also been shocked at some of the comments about your lovely state (I went there a few years ago). I saw many people of different ethnicities there and if anyone is getting their information from Diddy I think we''re in trouble!

Ditto on the Diddy dissing. I mean, c''mon. Who in their right mind cares about Puff Daddy and his opinions? He has influence only because he has money; he has money only because he has sold crap to people who have no taste; his one and only talent is for marketing and reinventing himself every five minutes. He''s the male version of Madonna, who''s also talentless and overhyped. Is he successful? Yes. Should he be? No.

Anybody who can respect this A-list @$$ has apparently not seen his recent plea on YouTube for free fuel from the Saudis because he''s much too important to fly commercial. He needs to get over himself.

 

[HollyS]

Date: 9/3/2008 6:18:21 PM
Author: decodelighted

Date: 9/3/2008 6:03:02 PM
Author: IndyGirl22
most pro-lifers don''t think there is a choice because they equate abortion with killing a person and don''t think anyone has a right to kill another human being.

You know, except for that DEATH PENALTY & all. Yeaaaahhhhhh.

Well, I feel like quoting the comedian Ron White here. "If you kill someone in Texas, we kill you back."

Works for me.

 

[trillionaire]

Was listening to NPR, they were talking about how McCain''s people have taken over Alaska and are answering for Palin and her staff, people she has worked with. NPR commentators reflected on the fact that it looks like they are scared of things coming out, or finding something damaging.

Great job vetting the candidate.

 

[ksinger]

Date: 9/3/2008 10:00:29 AM
Author: AGBF

Date: 9/3/2008 8:49:41 AM

Author: ksinger

Ditto. However in our house, it is stated a bit less poetically, as ''being hoist on one''s own petard''.

(The origins of ''petard'' are far more interesting than you might imagine....)

Well...are you going to tell us those origins? I believe it is in the Pricescope rules that it one alludes to the etymology of a word, one must, then, supply it. This thread cannot possibly go more off topic than it already has, anyway.

Deborah

It''s a small medieval bomb used to blow up walls, tunnels, bridges and such. The being "hoist" (blown upward) by one is used to indicate being harmed by your own plan to harm another. A lot of people think though, maybe because of the similarity to the word "peter" that it refers to something else....

 

[diamondfan]

I saw the plea, poor Diddy having to fly first class and bitching cuz it cost too much to fuel his jet...boo hoo, I am really torn up.

 

[Kaleigh]

Date: 9/3/2008 6:46:52 PM
Author: decodelighted
All the Diddy talk is maddening ... because I didn''t actually watch that link before it got pulled. Even though it was in *my* post. I was concentrating on Cajun Boy''s assessment of Palin & her scandal. Am left out now ... SHUCKS!

Too bad you missed it. You missed a good one!!!! Deco, that made my day!!! Thank you!!!!



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