do you think it is inappropriate for guys to...

[sonnyjane]

I also agree emphatically that the "N word" is not a curse word, it is something else entirely.

 

[kenny]

Yes, naughty words vary.

There are some words I never use, such as that four-letter c-word or the N-word.
There just has never been a context in which I needed to express what these words connote.

To quote myself, above is what I wrote.

I never said the N-word is a swear word.
It, like the C-word, are just a couple words I never use as I consider them deeply offensive and hurtful to groups of people.

The standard swear words do not demean a group of people.
All people fk, sht, etc.

In fact without fk and shi+ing our lives would end.
They are beautiful things.

Why is sex and body elimination considered disgusting anyway? ... more made up and agreed with stuff.

 

[ForteKitty]

I was responding to Chrono's post, Kenny.

Fudge and sugar do not have a "bad" meaning unlike the F-word, which is really what bothers me most. Just like why many will not use the C or N word, I have issues accepting the F word for that reason.

 

[kenny]

Okay, but since I was first to mention the N-word in the thread so I thought I'd elaborate.

 

[purplesparklies]

Like I've already posted I LOVE how useful those words are.
For me and many on this side of the line there's no replacement to express certain things.

Like I've already posted I never swear if I think the person(s) with would not like it.
I didn't specifically state it since I assumed it went without saying but I would never swear around kids.

I'm totally at peace with people who do not swear.
People vary, so I respect diversity for my own peace.

It would be nice if others did too, but hey, people vary.

I'm confused. You say that you assume it "went without saying" that you would never swear around children. So, we agree that one should not swear around children because if something "goes without saying", that typically is a clear statement that said behavior is commonly considered inappropriate. At least, that's how this phrase is used amongst my peers. That being the common usage, we agree on this subject. Yet, my actually discussing this appropriateness with my children is being judgmental?

If you take the time to read my post, I clearly state that there are a few possibilities as to why I feel people choose to engage in this behavior around children. One of the possibilities is lack of knowledge of alternative vocabulary. That is only one possibility. It does happen. I have taught high school students who will use inappropriate language in a school writing assignment because they truly don't know of another word to use in some instances. I have met and worked with adults who have this same issue. I did not say that this is always the case. If you felt a personal reaction to that part of my statement, that is on you.

I also clearly stated that I certainly have used curse words but I choose to do so when and where it is appropriate. I made no judgement of those who use them unless they are choosing to do so when it isn't appropriate, such as in the company of children. I was clear with my words.

 

[kenny]

I think it's fine to teach your kids to not swear AND to accept that other people do.
Accepting is not approving or condoning.
It's accepting.

People vary, so standards we apply to ourselves do not have to be applied to others.
When we respect diversity we enjoy a more peaceful life.
Childhood would be a great time to learn this.

 

[purplesparklies]

I think it's fine to teach your kids to not swear AND to accept that other people do.
Accepting is not approving or condoning.
It's accepting.

People vary, so standards we apply to ourselves do not have to be applied to others.
When we respect diversity we enjoy a more peaceful life.
Childhood would be a great time to learn this.

They know some of their adult friends and family choose to do so. People have certainly slipped in front of them. It happens. Apologies ensue. No biggie. A slip up happens but being out in a family friendly venue and hearing repeated f-bombs, loud and proud, just isn't okay. Understand that it's different depending on the ages of the children. I can't condone people swearing in front of my 7-year old, second grader. Just not okay. It's the behavior that's the issue, not the person. That's an important distinction.

As they grow and change, the discussion will grow and change. I think it's important to teach children mindfulness. Live mindfully. Be aware. Consider those around you. Personally, I think too darn much is acceptable these days. There is no shame in anything anymore. The fact of the matter is that some things simply should not be done. Call it judgmental. Call it not respecting diversity. This is one of those things. You shouldn't swear in front of children. You shouldn't adjust yourself in public. You shouldn't change the babies diaper on the restaurant table. You shouldn't floss at the restaurant table. "Goes without saying..."? Apparently not. Not during these times when common sense just isn't so common anymore. I've seen each and every one of them recently. That's not diversity.

 

[ForteKitty]

You shouldn't change the babies diaper on the restaurant table. You shouldn't floss at the restaurant table. "Goes without saying..."? Apparently not. Not during these times when common sense just isn't so common anymore. I've seen each and every one of them recently. That's not diversity.

That's disgusting and unhygienic! Did anyone say anything to them? I don't want food or poop particles flying into my food or drink! re: adjusting, I find it somewhat acceptable if there's no restroom nearby. I have no testicles but feel for those who have to rearrange things due to pinching. That can't be comfortable.

 

[AGBF]

I think it's fine to teach your kids to not swear AND to accept that other people do.
Accepting is not approving or condoning.
It's accepting.

People vary, so standards we apply to ourselves do not have to be applied to others.
When we respect diversity we enjoy a more peaceful life.
Childhood would be a great time to learn this.

But if you really believe "people vary", kenny, and that it is OK that they do...you have to accept that some people do not want to utilize their children's earliest years as a time to educate them about respecting diversity via the medium of SWEARING. Some people really don't want their little children to hear swearing. Shouldn't that be their right?

Since I think it should be the right of parents who want to protect their children from swearing to do so, I don't condone swearing in front of children.

Deb

 

[Deactivated member 42515]

Is anybody gonna question why DF has been posting so many threads that have us duking it out?

I think he likes to sit back and say "dance puppets! Dance!!"

 

[sonnyjane]

I think it's also very important to remind everyone that words evolve within our language. Etymology is a hobby of mine and I think many people would be surprised at the origin of words that we use today. Words may pop into a language with an intended meaning but what we do with the word often changes, giving words entirely new meanings 100 years down the road.

 

[hlmr]

curse in front of women?

Ah, DF You must be quite proud. You've finally found a new topic that is stirring up the "sugar"

 

[kenny]

I think it's also very important to remind everyone that words evolve within our language. Etymology is a hobby of mine and I think many people would be surprised at the origin of words that we use today. Words may pop into a language with an intended meaning but what we do with the word often changes, giving words entirely new meanings 100 years down the road.

Indeed.
Recently I've notice the word hate being used differently ... as in ... Don't be a hater.
I'm referring to how it's used now in contexts that are much more mild than the previous meaning of hate, for example discussing ice cream flavors, music, or hairstyles.
If someone doesn't like vanilla they can now be called a hater.

I'm not sure why I find this new use so annoying.
Like you say, languages change over time.
I should just accept it.

I certainly "take liberties" with grammar and rules of writing.
Usually I ignore the rules about paragraphs, and just do a carriage return for every sentence.
It probably annoys someone, but I think it makes it easier to read text on a computer screen.
At other fora I frequent other do it now.
I've noticed now some posters NEVER use ANY caps, even for proper names and the beginning of a sentence.

 

[packrat]

My parents swore when we were little, and we knew the penalty if we were to say the words before the magical age of 18 which is when they told us we would be adults and able to use adult words. My kids have heard worse words than I did growing up, and they know they have to be 18 to repeat them...well, repeat them in parental hearing anyway haha, much the same as my brother and I looked to see if an adult was around before saying shit and then oooo hahahaha oooo you swore..

I had a friend in school who could swear around her mom and we were in junior high. She didn't swear at school or around her gramma or any other parents but her mom was ok w/it. I know my eyes had to be big as saucers the first time I heard her yell shit at her house.

My gramma, my super devout Jehovah's Witness gramma who gasped in horror when I was little and my grampa said "dangit" in front of us b/c he forgot the Adventureland tickets and we had to turn back around to get them-I've slipped in front of her a few times..not the F word, tho she's seen it on my FB page a couple times and she makes a sad face on my page when I do it, even gramma understands that sometimes bad words come out when you're telling a story (the dramatic side of me comes out when I'm telling stories) And gramma has said hell/damn/shit/bitch when she's gotten wound up about something, and then she gives me this look and I bust out laughing and pretend to fall off my chair.

I don't think it makes someone crass or vulgar or sound stupid to pepper their speech w/bad swears. It's colorful and it is an embellishment. To me, anyway. Again, not at school, not in the grocery store..I'm not picking out cheese dip like "aw **** are you kidding me? Where in the goddamn hell is the mozzarella kind? ****ing idiots". I don't wander around my house mumbling random swear words, or routinely go stand in a crowd of children and chant **** **** **** like some sort of demented chicken clucking. If you bring your kids here and I'm talking to you, they may here a shit/damn/hell. My dad and brother have said the F word in front of my kids, as have JD and I. That doesn't make us bad parents or bad people.

 

[aviastar]

Is anybody gonna question why DF has been posting so many threads that have us duking it out?

I think he likes to sit back and say "dance puppets! Dance!!"

Annnnd DF now looks like David Bowie a la Labyrinth in my head and I can't stop singing "Dance, Magic, dance!"

 

[packrat]

Does DF look as awesome in wild hair, eye make up and leggings as David Bowie??

I puffy heart Labyrinth.

 

[sonnyjane]

I've noticed now some posters NEVER use ANY caps, even for proper names and the beginning of a sentence.

Spin-off, but Kenny, do you listen to A Way with Words on NPR? It's such a fun show. Recently they had an 8th grade teacher call in to ask about her students no longer capitalizing the word "I". As in, "First i woke up and then i went to the store." She told them it was wrong and they should capitalize it and they asked her why, and she didn't know what to tell them so she called the show. The reason we capitalize "I" has nothing to do with what's proper or not but rather because in the early days of typesetting, a lowercase "i" was just a line and could be confused or missed when reading the print. That's the reason that they put a dot on top of the "i" as well, because people reading thought the line was just a smudge on the page. That's how a capital "I" came to be, with the serifs, to distinguish it between other letters. Now, of course, most fonts now don't even have the serifs, but that's the reason that we started capitalizing "I". I wonder if it will evolve to "i" over time if that need no longer exists?

 

[kenny]

One of the most intelligent, if not genius, humans I've ever observed is the comic Louis CK.

He has a mouth that would make a drunken atheist sailor blush and rush to confession.

 

[kenny]

I've noticed now some posters NEVER use ANY caps, even for proper names and the beginning of a sentence.

Spin-off, but Kenny, do you listen to A Way with Words on NPR? It's such a fun show. Recently they had an 8th grade teacher call in to ask about her students no longer capitalizing the word "I". As in, "First i woke up and then i went to the store." She told them it was wrong and they should capitalize it and they asked her why, and she didn't know what to tell them so she called the show. The reason we capitalize "I" has nothing to do with what's proper or not but rather because in the early days of typesetting, a lowercase "i" was just a line and could be confused or missed when reading the print. That's the reason that they put a dot on top of the "i" as well, because people reading thought the line was just a smudge on the page. That's how a capital "I" came to be, with the serifs, to distinguish it between other letters. Now, of course, most fonts now don't even have the serifs, but that's the reason that we started capitalizing "I". I wonder if it will evolve to "i" over time if that need no longer exists?

Fascinating.
Languages evolve and I suspect technology results in a higher rate of change than ever before.
We old farts will soon die off and today's youngins and their 'English' will replace ours.
Groovy baby.

 

[gregchang35]

Everybody is different and each one has their own standards.

I have never been one to swear and can count on all the fingers and toes how many times i have in the past 41yrs. I find it harsh and crass to hear. But, i am no angel. However, one of my besties, she swears ALOT. At her work, i know she doesn't.

Does it bother me- yes it does, but i understand (and maybe accept) that there are ppl that like to. I dont like it; doesnt mean i like them less.

 

[Missy]

Everybody is different and each one has their own standards.

I have never been one to swear and can count on all the fingers and toes how many times i have in the past 41yrs. I find it harsh and crass to hear. But, i am no angel. However, one of my besties, she swears ALOT. At her work, i know she doesn't.

Does it bother me- yes it does, but i understand (and maybe accept) that there are ppl that like to. I dont like it; doesnt mean i like them less.

Well said gregchang!! I agree.

 

[kenny]

I dont like it; doesnt mean i like them less.

Well put.

 

[Deactivated member 42515]

Everybody is different and each one has their own standards.

I have never been one to swear and can count on all the fingers and toes how many times i have in the past 41yrs. I find it harsh and crass to hear. But, i am no angel. However, one of my besties, she swears ALOT. At her work, i know she doesn't.

Does it bother me- yes it does, but i understand (and maybe accept) that there are ppl that like to. I dont like it; doesnt mean i like them less.

Well said gregchang!! I agree.

Thanks Greg. That's what I've been trying to say but haven't been able to express it right.

 

[Kaleigh]

I dont like it; doesnt mean i like them less.

Well put.

Agree!!

 

[gregchang35]

Everybody is different and each one has their own standards.

I have never been one to swear and can count on all the fingers and toes how many timesI have in the past 41yrs. I find it harsh and crass to hear. But, I am no angel. However, one of my besties, she swears ALOT. At her work, i\I know she doesn't.

Does it bother me- yes it does, but I understand (and maybe accept) that there are ppl that like to. I don't like it; doesn't mean I like them less.

oops grammer ppl out there... sorry..

yes- another bug bear of mine- you, your, you're, yore; their, they're there; to, too, two.

 

[sonnyjane]

Everybody is different and each one has their own standards.

I have never been one to swear and can count on all the fingers and toes how many timesI have in the past 41yrs. I find it harsh and crass to hear. But, I am no angel. However, one of my besties, she swears ALOT. At her work, i\I know she doesn't.

Does it bother me- yes it does, but I understand (and maybe accept) that there are ppl that like to. I don't like it; doesn't mean I like them less.

oops grammer ppl out there... sorry..

yes- another bug bear of mine- you, your, you're, yore; their, they're there; to, too, two.

Lol no need to edit the I/i's, just read my post above to Kenny hahah!

 

[aviastar]

Does DF look as awesome in wild hair, eye make up and leggings as David Bowie??

I puffy heart Labyrinth.

AS awesome? No; no one looks as awesome as David Bowie with wild hair, eye makeup, and leggings. But DF is a close second.

 

[packrat]

Does DF look as awesome in wild hair, eye make up and leggings as David Bowie??

I puffy heart Labyrinth.

AS awesome? No; no one looks as awesome as David Bowie with wild hair, eye makeup, and leggings. But DF is a close second.

I'm so watching it this weekend.

 

[Dancing Fire]

to me it is inappropriate for a guy to swear with women or childerns present. i have never heard my wife nor my daughters use any kind of foul language.

 

[kenny]

to me it is inappropriate for a guy to swear with women or childerns present. i have never heard my wife nor my daughters use any kind of foul language.

Wonderful, that's perfect for you.
... and since people vary it IS appropriate for some others to be different from you.

Your way is not universal.
Neither is mine.

People vary.
We are all perfect just as we are.
So while I don't agree with you on this matter, I DO respect and like you.